How Should We See Jesus?

[Grace777x70]

Luke 12:47
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

My goodness - you take a scripture out of it's context and that is a parable about a land owner and his servants - to try to make it say that God is going to beat His children? You do know that we are children of God now...right? You really need to hear the gospel.

Here is a scripture that says we are all blotted out of God's book because we all have sinned. We need to read all scripture through the "lens" of the finished work of Christ - or we will be making doctrines out of Ex. 32:33

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

 

[ladylynn]

My goodness - it's no wonder your religion has you all mixed up. Have you ever heard of the New Covenant?

Hebrews 10:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."

[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

Romans 4:5-8 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

[SUP]7 [/SUP] "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."


I can see that you no idea what the gospel of the grace of Christ actually is. Paul tells us that God was in Christ - not counting their sins against them.

2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,

[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Did you see what our ministry is to be in the New Covenant? We are to give people the "word of reconciliation" that is already been made for them. This is why your religion and posts are NOT the gospel in any shape or form.

We don't have the ministry of condemnation as this what your religion gives out - but we have the gospel of the grace of Christ which is the ministry of reconciliation - this is the ministry that God approves. Come over into the New Covenant!

Exactly! You say it so much better than I. You always put up the right verses and applications. For that I am soooo thankful.

 

[ladylynn]

Luke 12:47
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Yes, there are believers who do expect to be beaten with many stripes. They are waiting for the other shoe to drop., waiting for the judgment they have been taught will be coming at them. But you and they need to know that Jesus already took alllll the judgment and was beaten with many stripes so we could be brought into the family., healed and whole. That is an evil servant who was going to get beat with many stripes.

We are now sons and in the Beloved. No more outside the family but one of the family. He is our Abba Father. We are the sheep of His pasture. His yoke is easy, His burden is light. He leads us with His rod and staff, He never beats us with them. Fear of judgment and condemnation is religion talking and it has no place in the relationship of God to those under the new covenant of grace. (all because of Jesus)

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That scripture has absolutely nothing to do with God putting diseases and tragedies on His children to "teach" them things as religion has taught in the past.

There are natural consequences to some sins.

Here are some more of the words of God for you to reject, deny, twist, and try to totally misrepresent in order to prop up yuz guyz false doctrine...

Leviticus 26:18
And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.


Leviticus 26:24
Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.


Lamentations 3:39

Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?


Lamentations 4:6

For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.

 

[ladylynn]

When a believer hears the true Gospel they know that all judgment and punishment and condemnation is no longer held to their account. Jesus has wiped their account clean. PAID IN FULL.

We no longer have to "Lament" because the Lamb of God has come who takes away the sins of the world.
We no longer fear judgment for sin. We walk in newness of life. We are not trying to clean up the old man trying to give him a make over. We now are alive in our new man and we are feeding our new man made in the righteousness of God In Christ.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The question that imo everyone should be asking is what does the Bible really say. Not what does someone say the Bible says.

What I find totally hilarious about your statement above is that your OP is void of scripture to prove the "fluff" in the false doctrine that is being presented by you. Just as looking at your own posts, they are also void of any scriptural confirmation, just your own personal opinions and more "fluff" talk.

On the other hand I have provided multitudes of scripture to confirm what the words of God actually say on the matter, but His words are rejected, twisted, and misrepresented by your cult following, who speak your own words, but not according to the scriptures and the Truth, which is the words of God written in the Bible.

So are we to believe your own personal opinions and "fluff", or what is actually written in the Holy Bible?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

We no longer have to "Lament" .....We no longer fear judgment for sin.

That is the spirit of whoredoms mentality that is at work in the Harlot church system....

Revelation 18:7

How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

 

[eph610]

Jesus is the righteous Judge for the believer and he will not be dealing with our SIN, he did that over 2,000 years ago. He will be judging us only if we sought out and saved the lost.

The Parable of the Lost Sheep & The Lost Coin show us that Jesus does not care about the believer as much as he cares about the lost. It is not ever about what a Believer follows, it is only about the Lost.....and we will be judged by Jesus according to this and only this.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here are some more of the words of God for you to reject, deny, twist, and try to totally misrepresent in order to prop up yuz guyz false doctrine...

Leviticus 26:18
And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.


Leviticus 26:24
Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.


Lamentations 3:39

Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?


Lamentations 4:6

For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.

Yep...and here are some more Old Covenant scriptures that we can condemn people with and ignore the New Covenant that Jesus brought to the world.

If you have ever sinned before in your life - you are blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

If you have ever worked on the Sabbath - you need to be killed.

Exodus 35:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

 

[Connock]

You need a revelation of the new covenant of grace. We are no longer under the law when God dealt with Israel according to their works. Grace has come in Christ. Unearned favor and love from Him to us. It is the love of God that constrains us and motivates us not the fear of God. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth is needed here. We have all of the promises and none of the curses. How is that for so great a salvation??!!

Indeed we gentiles were never under Mosaic Law. I've asked many times on this forum but have not yet received an answer to this question:

"At what specific point in time were gentiles bound to the Law of Moses?"
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[LaurenTM]

I'm just throwing this out there, but perhaps Paul's messenger of satan, was a demon that tried to undo every good thing Paul ever said

maybe that demon threw out scripture, taken out of context, and reminded Paul of all his sins every time Paul thanked God for Jesus

maybe that demon attacked Paul every time he spoke the truth of new life in Christ

what do y'all think? (rhetorical question but you see where I'm going with this, right?)

 

[LaurenTM]

Indeed we gentiles were never under Mosaic Law. I've asked many times on this forum but have not yet received an answer to this question:

"At what specific point in time were gentiles bound to the Law of Moses?"
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well that's the beauty of it

the hecklers and sin eaters don't have to answer any questions nor do they have to address scriptures that pronounce judgement on their own judgement

I bet Moses would like to whack the lot of them with those stone tablets.......

 

[eph610]

well that's the beauty of it

the hecklers and sin eaters don't have to answer any questions nor do they have to address scriptures that pronounce judgement on their own judgement

I bet Moses would like to whack the lot of them with those stone tablets.......

Lauren,
Are you suggesting some Christians are stoned?!?!?!?

 

[LaurenTM]

Lauren,
Are you suggesting some Christians are stoned?!?!?!?

that would actually be a relief

no...I think they are stone cold sober

which is scary

there are depictions of the Roman gods hurling lighting bolts...I figure Moses could hurl a tablet now and then

 

[eph610]

that would actually be a relief

no...I think they are stone cold sober

which is scary

there are depictions of the Roman gods hurling lighting bolts...I figure Moses could hurl a tablet now and then

I have this vision of Charlton Heston throwing down the tablets of foam....er Stone!

 

[LaurenTM]

I have this vision of Charlton Heston throwing down the tablets of foam....er Stone!

are you sure he wouldn't be using a 12 gauge?

the nra and all that....

 

[Talishi]

there are depictions of the Roman gods hurling lighting bolts...I figure Moses could hurl a tablet now and then

That's what I did to my cheap Chinese tablet when it bricked.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

We have all of the promises and none of the curses.

You need to read the Bible and stop listening to false teachers, those who are unworthy, and hypocrites, and those who remain in sin are under the curse, and do get sick and die.

1 Corinthians 11:27-30

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Indeed we gentiles were never under Mosaic Law.

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That does not mean God uses different weights and measures concerning His judgments.

[h=1]Hebrews 10:28-29[/h] [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Jesus is the righteous Judge for the believer and he will not be dealing with our SIN,

Think again....

Acts 5:1-11

5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.