How Should We See Jesus?

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 9, 2016

Keep reading oh ye with selective hearing....

[h=1]Hebrews 10:26-31[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Grace777x70 · Sep 9, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

My goodness you always take scripture out of context but it's to be expected.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-31 out of context with the book of Hebrews. Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want.

Here is an example. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of the book.

Obviously we must interpret this scripture with the finished work of Christ - we need to do the same for all scripture - including the book of Hebrews which was written to Hebrew people of which there would have been believers and non-believers listening to the letter being spoken.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins. Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

Here is a short video which will illuminate this clearly.

[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]

ladylynn · Sep 9, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

I have put up many verses before and sometimes I put up part of verses. I'm really thankful the way Grace777 has put up the very verses that brought me to those life changing truths. There are so many verses to read here to compare if you just take a look. No., I have not just posted verse after verse since it's already done so why do it over and over again posting the same verses.

Posting verses doesn't make something so. There are many verses you have posted that do not apply to the subject at hand and the ones that we do post you counter with more verses. It's like a Bible verse fight. You need to show you really believe this in your heart. You really know what you are talking about because it is part of who you are.

Do you love your enemy? Do you show sarcasm and anger and lack of love and concern for those who don't agree with you? Do you know how to give grace because you have been given grace? Those are questions we have to ask ourselves when we delve into debates and discussions with one another each and every day when we come here on these forums and when we relate to people in our day to day life at work and in our families.

I don't consider my experiences fluff but it's ok if you do. I share words in hopes of relating to others who may be going through times of searching to know if God loves them too. I want to be a witness of the grace of God in Christ and how He loved even me. So others can also escape the lies and entanglements of our enemy when he accuses and harasses with his lies. No one told me these things so I am so happy to tell others about the love of God in Christ and the grace that is there for us each and every day.

Deidre · Sep 9, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

It's funny but that is just how religion portrays our Father - as someone that gives diseases and tragedies to His children to "teach" then things.

We would throw people in jail for this type of behavior and do we really think that our sense of right and wrong ( which we got from the Lord in the first place ) is better then God's characteristics?

Jesus is perfect theology. He is the exact representation of the nature of God . Heb. 1:1-3

No where do we see Him putting diseases and tragedies in people's lives to "teach" them things.

If we want to see how our Father disciplines His children - see how Jesus disciplined the disciples - it was always with His word. Jesus is perfect theology.

Love how you put this, well said.

ladylynn · Sep 9, 2016

LaurenTM said:

I would say yes that for sure was attempted by the enemy at every turn for Paul. And Paul got a revelation from the Holy Spirit of grace and found His grace was sufficient in the face of false accusations brought against him for the Gospel's sake.

I think Paul long had dealt with and put to rest his guilt of having others killed based on his religious zeal. I believe Paul lived and moved in the grace of God in Christ and sought to teach everyone he came in contact with that the grace that sets him free sets us free too. We are loved by God because of Jesus Christ.

I can see how the Judiazers (sp) would come and try to bring in the law again each and every time Paul would go and preach the Gospel some where. And anyone who has been wrongly accused and or misunderstood for what they have said concerning the Gospel of grace and truth knows how frustrating it can be. I can only imagine what it was like for Paul who was given the job of setting up the beginnings of the church.

But I also can imagine how wonderful it was to be able to say and believe that his time of trouble could not be compared with the glory Jesus was preparing AND also the rivers of living water flowing out of his inner most being as Paul was doing the work of an evangelist and teacher and preacher. And he had such amazing fellowship with his brothers and sisters!! Paul had the witness of the Holy Spirit to uphold and reveal Jesus to Him. What could be better??!!!

Tinkerbell725 · Sep 9, 2016

We should view Jesus as the foundation of life. Our all in all. Storms of life may come and go but we will not crumble because we are on solid ground with Jesus as the foundation.

ladylynn · Sep 9, 2016

HEEEYY Lauren!! I didn't notice that was you with the new doggy picture until later. sooo cute!!! I agree with what you said about the messenger sent from satan. God didn't send a messenger from satan. That is just plain silly. Jesus told Paul that His grace was sufficient., just like for us. Amen!

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 9, 2016

First he quotes to me...

Then I quote a little further from the same book and chapter....

Then he responds back and accuses me of quoting Hebrew 10 to him out of context....

But when he quoted Hebrews 10 to me it is somehow in context? ROFL!!!! What a joke! That is proof of that selective hearing I was talking about. If it speaks of blessings, then it is directed to you of course; but if it speaks of curses, then that is not directed to you no way, no how, but somehow all those warnings are only to those wicked Jews, as you suggest here---->>>>

You guys just cherry pick and choose what you want to hear, and just ignore all the warnings in scripture, because those truths can just get in the way of your health, wealth and prosperity doctrine. Bummer

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 9, 2016

I trust the words of God over your own personal opinions and fluffy talk.

gb9 · Sep 9, 2016

and you cherry pick EVERY VERSE about judgement, sin, punishment . the God you worship is an angry God who must be appeased. the REAL GOD says we are justified by belief in Christ. I am reading through John' s gospel now. take off your leagalist glasses and see how many times BELIEF is mentioned.

Grace777x70 · Sep 9, 2016

gb9 said:

When someone never talks about Jesus and His love and grace but in all posts there is nothing but condemnation, demonic, death and accursedness and evil and hatred - there is something wrong.

The gospel of the grace of Christ is never spoken of - the Lord Jesus and His beauty is never spoken about. All this says volumes to me.

Jesus in His own words had this to say about "this spirit".

Luke 9:54-56 (NASB)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"

[SUP]55 [/SUP] But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;

[SUP]56 [/SUP] for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."

pottersclay · Sep 10, 2016

There are some good teachings on line called the nature of jesus taught by Gale Erwin still available I hope. I talked with Gale sometime back truly a blessing.

ladylynn · Sep 10, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

I said;

"[FONT=&quot]Posting verses doesn't make something so. There are many verses you have posted that do not apply to the subject at hand and the ones that we do post you counter with more verses. It's like a Bible verse fight."

Posting verses that don't apply doesn't make something so., that is what I said. And having Bible verse fights is counter productive. That is what I said 'in context' Anytime you do not say something in context what you have is "con" and that is wrong at all times not only to do with God's Word. And it is also wrong to do to other people., quoting them out of context.

Seriously., if you can't quote me in context please don't quote me at all. [/FONT]

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 10, 2016

ladylynn said:

What? Your own posts are void of scripture, even your OP has no scriptural support to say that God does not send plague, pestilence, disease, sword, famine, beasts of the earth, and earthquakes etc. to judge the world and sinners. Try actually reading the Bible and open your eyes!

The multitudes of verses I posted do apply because the God of the OT is the same God of the NT but your false religion tells you different.

Here is what your cult leader teaches....

And here....

and here...

And this shows the heresy of your false cult leaders teachings....

You people have been brainwashed into believing the words and doctrines of carnally minded men over what the words of God actually say is true. I have provided all kinds of scripture to support that God does indeed send plague, pestilence, disease, famine, earthquakes etc, and I could produce bunches more, but you blind followers of the blind will just find a reason to reject them because you do not truly believe the words of God are true.

And the God of the OT and His Word are the same THAT WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, so if you have seen God's Word in the OT, you have also seen the same Word of God in the NT.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Grace777x70 · Sep 10, 2016

Jesus is perfect theology:

Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father.

Jesus came to reveal the Father and His true nature to us as truth in the OT was progressive and in pictures and in shadows, but it ends with the revelation of Jesus Christ and what He has already done in His finished work.

So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.

Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways
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[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

If we want to see what the Father's will is concerning a subject in the New Covenant - see what Jesus did while He was on this earth.

If we want to see how the Father views sinners in the New Covenant - look to see how Jesus interacted with them. ( both the prostitutes and the religious Pharisees )

If we want to see if it's God's will to heal people in their physical bodies in the New Covenant - look to Jesus while He was here on this earth.

If we want to see what the Father's discipline looks like in the New Covenant - watch Jesus discipline the disciples - He did it with His words.

Jesus and the Father are One in their nature, purpose and love

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 10, 2016

These heretics are preaching the God of the OT is not the same God of the NT. Beware of these cult followers and deceivers who pervert the words of God!

[h=1]1 John 2:13-14[/h] [SUP]13 [/SUP]I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

Grace777x70 · Sep 10, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Wrong again - we are saying that "your" perception of the Father is what is off and incorrect and that in fact He does deal with people differently for different reasons throughout history. God Himself does not change in who He is in nature.

Jesus is perfect theology. Hear Him!

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 10, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Since you reject all the scriptures I've posted from the OT giving us what God actually does and says, then we see who doctrines you are really following, which is the doctrines of carnally minded men, from your own cult leader Mr. Prince's playbook----->>>>>

Your false doctrine is exposed!

Grace777x70 · Sep 10, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Nonsense ...all you have done is expose the "twisted" words of that self-proclaimed heretic hunter website of what he believes others that believe in grace are saying.

I would encourage you to start believing in Christ's work on your behalf and not to deny your Lord. Jesus is perfect theology.

LaurenTM · Sep 10, 2016

ladylynn said:

Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me-- to keep me from exalting myself! II Cor 12:7

yes, the messenger was from satan..however, it was 'given' to him...and God told Paul His grace was sufficient...in other words, overcome

demons desire to undermine every word of God, every desire we have towards God, every effort we make in God's direction

this constant battering about condemnation and judgement and the mockery in the spirit of the one delivering it, does not come from God IMO.

there should be no delight in judgement...however, we are seeing plenty of LOL's and name calling which is not God honoring the least. if we see a person in sin, we are to warn them...not gleefully exalt over the supposed 'fact' we caught them at it

I find the insults despicable and the actual target is personal and the constant Joseph Prince harangue is infantile

I really do wish no one would respond to this detractor anymore...it's like feeding a troll

on a more innocent subject:

about the Heeler pup...I have a heeler...Blue Heeler...and we love her...she's alot of dog though...not for the beginner

they are actually Australian in origin with the native Australian Dingo, bred to selective herding dogs, as the genetic makeup

what I found really interesting and just recently came across, is an article that indicates those doing current research on the dingo no longer believe it to be a species related to the canid family...such as wolves...but a distinct species

so we actually have a little alien of some sort...too much info prob haha

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