See the middle of the stage? David Jeremiah's church.
Your pastor is a lot smarter than you give him credit for.
Maybe that's a subliminal message to get parishioners thinking about dollar bills.
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Maybe that's a subliminal message to get parishioners thinking about dollar bills.
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FreeNChrist
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Thats right. Grace is the active expression of the very essence of God Himself, and not the dissemination of some commodity, principle or empowerment.
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UnderGrace
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What fight is this? And you did not answer my question, did Jesus die for all our sins or just some. I am trying to understand what you believe besides being against "hypergrace"
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UnderGrace
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Yes this is about our eternal rewards, do not confuse scriptures, this is not about salvation but about what brings us eternal rewards.
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popeye
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Hey
Dive back into the things of God!!!!
Take the plunge!!!
[video=youtube;tIAfo6GKCaA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIAfo6GKCaA[/video]
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popeye
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[h=2]Re: FALLING FROM GRACE; WHAT IT MEANS AND HOW YOU FALL[/h]
Thats when you go fishing with grace7777 and fall off his boat into the water while he almost catches you.
Thats when you go fishing with grace7777 and fall off his boat into the water while he almost catches you.
Galatians 5:2-6 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. [SUP]4 [/SUP]You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
If it's grace that saves you, & you fall from grace, seems like a situation where you'll go to Hell for it.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. [SUP]4 [/SUP]You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
If it's grace that saves you, & you fall from grace, seems like a situation where you'll go to Hell for it.
We also do "fall from grace" - which means "to drop away" because we are depending on the law for righteousness ( the law is anything we do to justify ourselves )
Galatians 5:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
You have been severed from Christ means that we are not receiving what Christ's grace provides because of our own self-effort in trying to obtain things.
These people are still saved and going to heaven - just that grace for living the true Christian live while on this earth does not "work" for them because they are trusting in their own works.
Galatians 5:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
You have been severed from Christ means that we are not receiving what Christ's grace provides because of our own self-effort in trying to obtain things.
These people are still saved and going to heaven - just that grace for living the true Christian live while on this earth does not "work" for them because they are trusting in their own works.
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UnderGrace
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What do you think it means does to be saved specifically from God's eternal perspective?
I want to know because otherwise the conversation is always at cross purpose.
I want to know because otherwise the conversation is always at cross purpose.
Now flipping this statement on its head. Hyper grace believers who continue is sin
without regard, are still saved, help or grace for the true Christian life while on this
earth does not work for them.
If they can maintain their faith in defeat, then they are safe. It would explain why
they so often testify to failure, conviction of sin and a lack of ability to resolve their
situation.
So Grace777 may well be talking the truth but about the wrong people for the wrong
reasons, ironic.
I guess if you are righteous by your own strength and works then you don't need faith.
What do you need Grace for if you are righteous by your works and deeds?
I don't think you are following your philosophy through to its end.
At what point do you not need Grace or Faith? At what point did you attain perfection when other Christians did not?
Humanistic philosophy will always be at odds with the gospel of the grace of Christ for living and life.
Are you sure? Because as a humanist here are some of my values:
1. Do not look on another person with lust, for we are people, not objects.
2. Do not divorce your spouse except on grounds of unfaithfulness.
3. Let "yes" or "no" be sufficient to affirm or deny something
4. Do not resist evil.
5. When compelled to make a plaintiff whole in a civil suit, make more than full restitution.
6. When pressed into labor, do twice the work that is compelled.
7. Do not turn away anyone who asks to borrow.
8. Love your enemies, for they are like the shadow that you yourself cast.
9. Do not make a public display of piety.
10. Do not judge another, for you have not lived as they, so you cannot see the world as they.
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eph610
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I don't need a savior. If there's an undetectable God who will torture me for all eternity for not believing that he exists before I die, then he is an evil God and he deserves my contempt, not my supplication.
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:19-20 (ESV2011, MBM)
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:19-20 (ESV2011, MBM)