The Earth is flat? It's a circular flat disk surrounded by a wall of ice?

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BeyondET

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Hey cool picture of a football looking sun in the first photo clearly the sun in the photo is distorted along with the second photo.. why because the photos has been cropped resize stretched ratio in wide screen... clearly that Sun doesn't look like our Sun and our moon and other planets and their moons which are spherical signs in our solar system as stated in the book of Genesis about the stars, sun, moon, lunar eclipse being for signs don't you trust that in which you can see with your own eyes rather than a man made photos and Photos of flowers are not the earth mind you along with designer fine art photos lol...
 
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Gimp, Photoshop and other photo editors can do amazing things to distort images
 

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A long exposure photo sequence with an ultra wide-angle lens has captured nearly an entire night over the Teide Observatory on the high slopes of Mount Teide, Tenerife, Canary islands.
The Earth rotation appears in form of the rotating sky above us. Long exposure night-time images capture this motion in form of
star trails around the celestial poles. Here the north celestial pole is on the left, marked by star Polaris, only a degree away from the north direction of the Earth rotation axis. On the right end star trails over the southern horizon are curved around the southern celestial pole (under the horizon of this northern hemisphere location).

Juan Carlos Casado, Starryearth.com
That's pretty funny, Post.
He asked valid questions.


Play nice. I hate when l dont know the other side of the argument and get all huffy too.
I'm impressed with what he's posted. Not so much with your side so far.

Sounds like scientist gibberish.

Gimp, Photoshop and other photo editors can do amazing things to distort images
Right?

Ask NASA
They love P.S.


They admit they use it.
Why?


I'd love to back a side...but
the last time l flew into space to prove the earth was round, my selfie came out blurry.

Guess l gotta trust those in power...they never lie to me.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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Photos of flowers are not the earth mind you along with designer fine art photos lol...
Those are night-blooming flowers that only bloom in the Moon's unique light. They close at the slightest hint of sunlight and do not bloom during the day.

They are a fact of life on this plane. Look them up.

Learn something new today.

(Gen. 1:16) And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: .....

(Gen. 1:15) ...to give light upon the Earth:....

Note: It doesn't read God made one great light AND A ROCK TO REFLECT IT.

(Matt. 24:29) ...and the moon shall not give her light.....

The Moon gives its own light. It does NOT reflect the sun's light.

It even gives off 'cold' light while the sun gives off warm light.

Provable, testable 'FACT.'

 
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BeyondET

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Those are night-blooming flowers that only bloom in the Moon's unique light. They close at the slightest hint of sunlight and do not bloom during the day.

They are a fact of life on this plane. Look them up.

Learn something new today.

(Gen. 1:16) And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: .....

(Gen. 1:15) ...to give light upon the Earth:....

Note: It doesn't read God made one great light AND A ROCK TO REFLECT IT.

(Matt. 24:29) ...and the moon shall not give her light.....

The Moon gives its own light. It does NOT reflect the sun's light.

It even gives off 'cold' light while the sun gives off warm light.

Provable, testable 'FACT.'

And night blooming flowers prove the earth is flat lol.. To funny a lot of flowers bloom in the dark like weed leave that stuff alone Homs. Cold light your making me laugh stop it hahaha.. I'm ROTF
welcome back Mr. Spherical :)

lesser light the moon huh, if you had said the earths core you might get my attention :)
 
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BeyondET

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That's pretty funny, Post.
He asked valid questions.


Play nice. I hate when l dont know the other side of the argument and get all huffy too.
I'm impressed with what he's posted. Not so much with your side so far.

Sounds like scientist gibberish.



Right?

Ask NASA
They love P.S.


They admit they use it.
Why?


I'd love to back a side...but
the last time l flew into space to prove the earth was round, my selfie came out blurry.

Guess l gotta trust those in power...they never lie to me.

Ahhh another man walking out of the caves,, welcome Mr. Spaceman one small step for Mankind lol...
 

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Ahhh another man walking out of the caves,, welcome Mr. Spaceman one small step for Mankind lol...

Whether the earth is round, flat, pear shaped, a cube, ...doesn't really matter.
Any shape screams a Creator. Intricate and beautiful.

We all agree that there is a God, now we have to battle out what shape of a planet we worship Him on?
Its never enough.

I don't really know what shape it is, lve never been to outer space to get an answer.
All l can go off of is what man says, and they lie. A lot.

Although, Why a round earth? Even though both sides can get deep, its a pretty shallow answer, IMO.
Convince the people we are not alone, unique, or special enough to be flat or stationary.
Get them convinced in possible aliens, other inhabitable worlds.
Im convinced that as of today, George Lucas might have more loyal followers than any other religion. It may sound extreme, but, seriously, talk to some fanboys.

Hate your world, live in theirs.

As for a flat planet, it seems almost too simple for a God who knew our brains could think this way.

A conspiracy theory doesn't have to be super complex to get people running from it.
It just needs to be distorted enough to lose sight of a truth.

Why play chess with the world, when the devil can beat people with Hungry, Hungry Hippos


BTW, its nice to meet you ET.
Get to know your opponent.
Know the topic.


Otherwise, its too easy for me.
 
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Those are night-blooming flowers that only bloom in the Moon's unique light. They close at the slightest hint of sunlight and do not bloom during the day.

They are a fact of life on this plane. Look them up.

Learn something new today.

(Gen. 1:16) And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: .....

(Gen. 1:15) ...to give light upon the Earth:....

Note: It doesn't read God made one great light AND A ROCK TO REFLECT IT.

(Matt. 24:29) ...and the moon shall not give her light.....

The Moon gives its own light. It does NOT reflect the sun's light.

It even gives off 'cold' light while the sun gives off warm light.

Provable, testable 'FACT.'

How does one explain the light given - or lack thereof - during certain moon phases?
 
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BeyondET

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Whether the earth is round, flat, pear shaped, a cube, ...doesn't really matter.
Any shape screams a Creator. Intricate and beautiful.

We all agree that there is a God, now we have to battle out what shape of a planet we worship Him on?
Its never enough.

I don't really know what shape it is, lve never been to outer space to get an answer.
All l can go off of is what man says, and they lie. A lot.

Although, Why a round earth? Even though both sides can get deep, its a pretty shallow answer, IMO.
Convince the people we are not alone, unique, or special enough to be flat or stationary.
Get them convinced in possible aliens, other inhabitable worlds.
Im convinced that as of today, George Lucas might have more loyal followers than any other religion. It may sound extreme, but, seriously, talk to some fanboys.

Hate your world, live in theirs.

As for a flat planet, it seems almost too simple for a God who knew our brains could think this way.

A conspiracy theory doesn't have to be super complex to get people running from it.
It just needs to be distorted enough to lose sight of a truth.

Why play chess with the world, when the devil can beat people with Hungry, Hungry Hippos


BTW, its nice to meet you ET.
Get to know your opponent.
Know the topic.


Otherwise, its too easy for me.
Nice to meet you Brother, it's real easy look at a sunrise or sunset at these moments the sun can be viewed with your naked eye without damaging the retina of the eyes it's clearly round, the moon is a sphere everyone knows that,, buy a good telescope look at Mars it's a sphere watch a lunar Eclipse the curved shadow is the earth passing between the sun and the moon though earth is quite bigger than the moon you'll see just a part of earths shadow casting on the moon. All these are signs you can look at in the heavens that God created. God isn't a God of illusions you can trust that indeed :)
 
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BeyondET

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Let's see:

(Isa. 40:22) He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Yep, circles are still round, last I checked.

How many 'spherical' canopies or tents have you ever seen?

Right.

Now, DOME-shaped canopies and tents? Yes, many. I agree.

No spherical ones, though. Hmm....go figure.

I had had to back track this one,, WOW You replace the word heavens with earth saying (he stretches out the earth like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in)

if you had said spread out the stars like in our disk galaxy might be of interest to me :)
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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And night blooming flowers prove the earth is flat lol.. To funny a lot of flowers bloom in the dark like weed leave that stuff alone Homs. Cold light your making me laugh stop it hahaha.. I'm ROTF
welcome back Mr. Spherical :)

lesser light the moon huh, if you had said the earths core you might get my attention :)
Well, first you must have the wherewithal to 'Remember' all the pieces of the puzzle and retain them in your memory so as to put them together and see the bigger picture. Don't feel bad, the vast majority of people cannot do this.

Mostly because of all the daily distractions in our world like the god of Television and all the mind-numbing nonsense that is fed to the masses via that medium. And partly due to sheer lack of raw intelligence.

And secondly, I hate to break it to ya, but I'm not here for your attention. :(

But I will have mercy on you and give you a quick lesson in Conditional If/Then Logic 101.

Now, focus:

1. IF the Bible tells us that God created 2 great lights in the sky that are independent of each other, one to rule the day and one to rule the night,

THEN we can 'Logically' deduce that the 2 greatest lights that we see in the sky with our very own eyes on a daily basis (almost daily for the moon, and almost daily for the sun for those who live in Seattle ;)) are 'Evidence' to the affirmative conclusion that the Bible is referring to the sun and the moon.

Still with me?

2. IF Joshua 10:12-13 tells us that Joshua made the sun and the moon STOP THEIR MOVEMENT ACROSS THE SKY directly over 2 specific locations that were roughly 10 miles apart, Gibeon and the Valley of Ajalon, (NOT that he made the Earth stop spinning)

THEN (if we have faith the size of a mustard seed and believe our Bible) we can 'Logically' deduce that the sun and the moon move over the Earth and not the other way around, AND we can deduce that they are MUCH closer to the Earth than science tells us today because it'd be hard for the sun and moon to stop side by side over the Earth 10 miles apart if they were the distance and size that science 'claims' they are.

3. IF we have come this far in our understanding/assumptions and we walk outside and see this:



THEN we can deduce that this is 'Evidence' to the affirmative conclusion that the sun is not very far above these clouds or the Earth and NOT 93 MILLLION miles away as science 'claims.'

4. IF we discover that there are flowers that exist on the Earth that only bloom/respond to moonlight,

THEN we can 'Logically' deduce that the moon is not a dead rock floating out in space 238,000 miles away reflecting the sun's rays back at the Earth and that maybe, like the sun, it is actually very near the Earth and gives off its own unique light.....just as the Word of God tells us it does.

5. IF we have made it this far and have begun to notice the flat horizon in the background of scenes in almost every movie made and every time we are at a place on the Earth where we can see a good distance like the beach or mountains, etc.,

THEN we just might 'Logically' deduce that this image of the world that is THOUSANDS of years old right here......just might be a bit more plausible than we'd previously ASSUMED.



6. IF we claim to be Christians and believe at least the 'basics' of our Bible concerning man being 'Created' by God and NOT evolving from wild beasts who evolved from swamp soup,

THEN we can 'Logically' deduce that man has ALWAYS been very intelligent, just as God created us from the very beginning, and any information like the Bible and this model of the world are NOT the ramblings of primitive cave men, and may very well have something very important to teach us if we humble ourselves enough to admit that we just may NOT know all there is to know.

(For the record, the Bible was not written by men at all, but 'BY' God 'THROUGH' faithful men who dedicated their entire lives to His Truth and His Word and wrote down 'ONLY' what they were told to write by God, Himself. There are NO mistakes in the descriptions of the world or events in the Bible. If God didn't want it written 'Precisely' as it was written, it would NOT have been written that way. These men often lived decades to centuries apart and never contradicted each other's writings because the information was given to them by God.)


7. IF we are very brave and humble enough to challenge our own preconceived beliefs about the world we live in,

THEN we just might have the nerve to look into these things ourselves and do our very own independent research to PROVE what is true about the matter.

But be warned! Once you humble yourself enough to look directly at the Truth of these matters and decide you are willing to accept the Truth, whatever it may be, you may very well never see the world the same way again.

I will issue you a challenge with this provocative statement: There is much, MUCH more evidence of the Flat Earth model/concept than there is for the Sphere earth. And many, MANY experiments have been done to prove all aspects of the Sphere earth model/concept as well as the planetary dynamics of our solar system and FAILED repeatedly for centuries.

So, help yourself to a large slice of humble pie and make the commitment to research all the information from both sides until you come to a conclusion that you feel within your soul is the Truth.

Good luck to you and God bless.
 

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Nice to meet you Brother, it's real easy look at a sunrise or sunset at these moments the sun can be viewed with your naked eye without damaging the retina of the eyes it's clearly round, the moon is a sphere everyone knows that,, buy a good telescope look at Mars it's a sphere watch a lunar Eclipse the curved shadow is the earth passing between the sun and the moon though earth is quite bigger than the moon you'll see just a part of earths shadow casting on the moon. All these are signs you can look at in the heavens that God created. God isn't a God of illusions you can trust that indeed :)


There is no doubt in my mind that they are both round.
Shadows aren't enough to teach a round planet.

Using any of the dimensions given in textbooks, sites, scientists, the math does not work out when we apply their numbers.
This can not be debated by anyone defending a round planet.

What happens, is the pullback and slam technique. It may not be flat, but one thing is sure, it can not be the size and shape THEY tell us it is.
No argument is needed here. It really is that simple.

Sure, we both can drop some text and pics, but in the end, even those in power can not defend the numbers and physics of what they teach us.
Seriously, its insane.


Like l said. I really don't know the answer.

I do know that there is a difference between a circle and a ball.
A circle is flat.

Both words are used in the Bible, yet they decided to use circle when referencing the planet.
People can say what they want, yet no one will answer elementary questions like, why doesn't a plane take the curvature of the earth into consideration....or architecture, railroads, canals, etc.

Why wouldn't they?
Why isnt there more than 5 photos of earth? We have pics of Saturn? Google earth uses a CGI world, yet the rest of its pictures are real?

These are softball questions, man.

I'm not sure what shape this planet is. To say its a globe because that's whats commonly accepted isnt enough for me, especially since they admit that the photos we see of earth are indeed, photoshopped.

On record.
 
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BeyondET

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Well, first you must have the wherewithal to 'Remember' all the pieces of the puzzle and retain them in your memory so as to put them together and see the bigger picture. Don't feel bad, the vast majority of people cannot do this.

Mostly because of all the daily distractions in our world like the god of Television and all the mind-numbing nonsense that is fed to the masses via that medium. And partly due to sheer lack of raw intelligence.

And secondly, I hate to break it to ya, but I'm not here for your attention. :(

But I will have mercy on you and give you a quick lesson in Conditional If/Then Logic 101.

Now, focus:

1. IF the Bible tells us that God created 2 great lights in the sky that are independent of each other, one to rule the day and one to rule the night,

THEN we can 'Logically' deduce that the 2 greatest lights that we see in the sky with our very own eyes on a daily basis (almost daily for the moon, and almost daily for the sun for those who live in Seattle ;)) are 'Evidence' to the affirmative conclusion that the Bible is referring to the sun and the moon.

Still with me?

2. IF Joshua 10:12-13 tells us that Joshua made the sun and the moon STOP THEIR MOVEMENT ACROSS THE SKY directly over 2 specific locations that were roughly 10 miles apart, Gibeon and the Valley of Ajalon, (NOT that he made the Earth stop spinning)

THEN (if we have faith the size of a mustard seed and believe our Bible) we can 'Logically' deduce that the sun and the moon move over the Earth and not the other way around, AND we can deduce that they are MUCH closer to the Earth than science tells us today because it'd be hard for the sun and moon to stop side by side over the Earth 10 miles apart if they were the distance and size that science 'claims' they are.

3. IF we have come this far in our understanding/assumptions and we walk outside and see this:



THEN we can deduce that this is 'Evidence' to the affirmative conclusion that the sun is not very far above these clouds or the Earth and NOT 93 MILLLION miles away as science 'claims.'

4. IF we discover that there are flowers that exist on the Earth that only bloom/respond to moonlight,

THEN we can 'Logically' deduce that the moon is not a dead rock floating out in space 238,000 miles away reflecting the sun's rays back at the Earth and that maybe, like the sun, it is actually very near the Earth and gives off its own unique light.....just as the Word of God tells us it does.

5. IF we have made it this far and have begun to notice the flat horizon in the background of scenes in almost every movie made and every time we are at a place on the Earth where we can see a good distance like the beach or mountains, etc.,

THEN we just might 'Logically' deduce that this image of the world that is THOUSANDS of years old right here......just might be a bit more plausible than we'd previously ASSUMED.



6. IF we claim to be Christians and believe at least the 'basics' of our Bible concerning man being 'Created' by God and NOT evolving from wild beasts who evolved from swamp soup,

THEN we can 'Logically' deduce that man has ALWAYS been very intelligent, just as God created us from the very beginning, and any information like the Bible and this model of the world are NOT the ramblings of primitive cave men, and may very well have something very important to teach us if we humble ourselves enough to admit that we just may NOT know all there is to know.





Yea ok

rev. 6:16
They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

(For the record, the Bible was not written by men at all, but 'BY' God 'THROUGH' faithful men who dedicated their entire lives to His Truth and His Word and wrote down 'ONLY' what they were told to write by God, Himself. There are NO mistakes in the descriptions of the world or events in the Bible. If God didn't want it written 'Precisely' as it was written, it would NOT have been written that way. These men often lived decades to centuries apart and never contradicted each other's writings because the information was given to them by God.)






7. IF we are very brave and humble enough to challenge our own preconceived beliefs about the world we live in,

THEN we just might have the nerve to look into these things ourselves and do our very own independent research to PROVE what is true about the matter.

But be warned! Once you humble yourself enough to look directly at the Truth of these matters and decide you are willing to accept the Truth, whatever it may be, you may very well never see the world the same way again.

I will issue you a challenge with this provocative statement: There is much, MUCH more evidence of the Flat Earth model/concept than there is for the Sphere earth. And many, MANY experiments have been done to prove all aspects of the Sphere earth model/concept as well as the planetary dynamics of our solar system and FAILED repeatedly for centuries.

So, help yourself to a large slice of humble pie and make the commitment to research all the information from both sides until you come to a conclusion that you feel within your soul is the Truth.

Good luck to you and God bless.

Awww www you will have mercy on me hehe.. You crack me up buddy your a barrel of laughs indeed quite amusing human indeed.

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AVoiceintheWilderness

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How does one explain the light given - or lack thereof - during certain moon phases?
Since we can't go up and do our own experiments to discover more about this dynamic of the moon, which we'd love to do, we must turn to the Bible for more answers about this.

Genesis 1:14 tells us that God made all the lights of the sky to divide the day from the night; for signs and seasons, and for days and years;.....

We do know that the word 'Month' comes from 'moon' and that the cycle of light phases take exactly a month, therefore we can deduce only that God created it to work that way for the express purpose of helping man measure time and understand seasons so as to better deal with crops and to prepare for hotter and colder times of the year, etc.

I wish we knew more about this aspect of the dynamics of the moon, myself, as well. Unfortunately, those with the money and the power to answer these things for us via direct experimentation, .......aren't very trustworthy.
 
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Tintin

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Those are night-blooming flowers that only bloom in the Moon's unique light. They close at the slightest hint of sunlight and do not bloom during the day.

They are a fact of life on this plane. Look them up.

Learn something new today.

(Gen. 1:16) And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: .....

(Gen. 1:15) ...to give light upon the Earth:....

Note: It doesn't read God made one great light AND A ROCK TO REFLECT IT.

(Matt. 24:29) ...and the moon shall not give her light.....

The Moon gives its own light. It does NOT reflect the sun's light.

It even gives off 'cold' light while the sun gives off warm light.

Provable, testable 'FACT.'

You yobbos! Dr. Henry M. Morris didn't even believe in a Flat Earth! Way to lump a biblically-sound, learned Christian in with your non-biblical nonsense.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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I had had to back track this one,, WOW You replace the word heavens with earth saying (he stretches out the earth like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in)

if you had said spread out the stars like in our disk galaxy might be of interest to me :)
Ok, I have to say now that most of your comments are not making any sense, man.

I didn't replace anything with anything. That's the verse word-for-word from the Bible.

Do you even own a Bible? I'd highly recommend getting one and reading it a couple times through if you're going to argue for/against it.

Many can be found for free.
 
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BeyondET

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There is no doubt in my mind that they are both round.
Shadows aren't enough to teach a round planet.

Using any of the dimensions given in textbooks, sites, scientists, the math does not work out when we apply their numbers.
This can not be debated by anyone defending a round planet.

What happens, is the pullback and slam technique. It may not be flat, but one thing is sure, it can not be the size and shape THEY tell us it is.
No argument is needed here. It really is that simple.

Sure, we both can drop some text and pics, but in the end, even those in power can not defend the numbers and physics of what they teach us.
Seriously, its insane.


Like l said. I really don't know the answer.

I do know that there is a difference between a circle and a ball.
A circle is flat.

Both words are used in the Bible, yet they decided to use circle when referencing the planet.
People can say what they want, yet no one will answer elementary questions like, why doesn't a plane take the curvature of the earth into consideration....or architecture, railroads, canals, etc.

Why wouldn't they?
Why isnt there more than 5 photos of earth? We have pics of Saturn? Google earth uses a CGI world, yet the rest of its pictures are real?

These are softball questions, man.

I'm not sure what shape this planet is. To say its a globe because that's whats commonly accepted isnt enough for me, especially since they admit that the photos we see of earth are indeed, photoshopped.

On record.

So are you telling that the shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse IS NOT a sign from God,

step wisely, swing true