The Earth is flat? It's a circular flat disk surrounded by a wall of ice?

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AVoiceintheWilderness said:
These things cannot work on a globe.



1. Periscopes

2. Lighthouses

3. Gyros

4. Sundials
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false. all these things work on a globe. perfectly.
in fact gyros and sundials can't work on a flat earth.

gyroscopic compasses have been used for hundreds of years, relying on the fact that the earth is spherical and spins on its axis, by sailors to accurately determine their longitude at sea when stars were not visible.

periscopes and lighthouses work perfectly well.
why not?
sometimes you act as though the earth is very very small -- but in fact it is so large that curvature on the horizon from the normal heights that people live at from day to day, it is almost imperceptible, unless we look at the horizon with a much larger angular distance than our own eyes see -- a very wide angle shot. the horizon at sea is miles away, so a lighthouse or a periscope function perfectly well and beautifully for many miles, easily well enough away from a ship at war or a ship approaching the coast to be alerted long before they are in danger.

but on a disc earth geometry, these things should be able to see infinitely. you ought to be able to discern a lighthouse on the coast of the UK from Boston harbor... something you ignore.

that's something these kooks ignore quite alot. they love to ignore all the effects of atmospheric refraction of visible light and of radio-spectrum EM waves that allow us to *see* over the curved horizon, and parade around pictures of things miles across water taken on humid days ((exactly the right conditions for atmospheric refraction to be at its highest effects)) and say "oh you shouldn't be able to see this far according to my ignorance and my hiding a lot of other details from you"
. . but they never go on to say, "in fact you should be able to see way further than this. Mt. Everest should be visible from most of Asia. you should be able to see Africa from Brazil. you should be able to see a lighthouse from 100 miles away, and be able to take a laser pointer in Portugal and mess with kittens on the Florida coast"

where are those pictures?

ask such a question, and the subject will quickly be changed.
 
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it's 3AM here.

why isn't the sun in the sky?

i thought the earth was flat.

the sun should be up there, easily visible, just kind of dim.

what gives? have we been lied to?
 
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Reborn said:
If? A flat earth does show the world, that we are unique and His ultimate creation. A ball lobbed into space , twirling and spinning does scream a Creator too, it just seems a bit messy.

God isn't messy.
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no, God isn't messy. the entire universe is delicately balanced according to consistent order and His own natural law. that's the entire basis of science: that God is a God of order, so He created an orderly universe, therefore it can be studied and inferences can be made in the lab and applied to things outside of labs when adjusted by other variables not present in the lab. that things like optics and gravity and EM and kinetic physics work the same way all over the cosmos.

on a flat earth, these things are inconsistent.
there is no comprehensible reason that anything should move in the sky the way it does in flat earth. orbits are impossible, there is no reason for gravity to act as it does, for light to act as it does, for EM waves to act as they do, for weather to act as it does, for seasons to be as they are, for day and night to act as it does. for the earth to be the shape that this deluded fellow has been confused into believing it is. for 1,000 things to be as they are easily observed to be.

but all these things are well explained, consistently and coherently, by a comprehensible, universal physics involving a spherical earth rotating on an axis at a tilt, orbiting a star along with a handful of other planets, all of which together are orbiting much larger centers of mass enormous distances away, all of which together as a larger unit are also moving, and in which all the stars we see are almost unfathomable distances away, so that even with the parallax of the earths orbital motion, they appear to be somewhat *fixed* -- though careful study of Chinese astronomical records, which go back thousands of years, and are consistent with the records of other ancient cultures, reveal that the night sky has perceptibly changed over these very long times, though slightly. some of those constellations we see now, were different 3,000 years ago.

the FE deceived fail to recognize the enormous scale of the universe -- one by which the invisible qualities of God are indeed made known: His enormous power and majesty, ridiculously beyond the scale of earth and a tiny sky with no real order or explicable patterns of motion. that the earth is very small and very much not the center of the universe around which all things revolve, points out to us that we are not the most important thing in all the worlds, but that God loves us by His mercy, and that love is wholly undeserved. FE is a very humanistic way of looking at things, to be honest -- painting all of the cosmos as if it revolves around you personally. as though God owes it to us to pay special attention to us, since everything is centered on us. but it isn't -- which ought to teach us humility, instead of swelling pride.

talking of star trails -- they are completely and perfectly explained by the spherical, Sol-orbiting planet model, with stars vast distances away. and these kinds of pictures have been taken long before there was any such thing as photoshop -- these things were made with the most basic of pinhole-type cameras and physical films. and even before cameras themselves, people watched the sky all night and saw the same things, how the rotation turns vertical near the pole and flips in the southern hemisphere.
the idiot we've been listening to here ((yes, because to believe these things one must be irrational and willfully suppress the truth, and consciously remain ignorant of fact, and what else is that but idiocy?)) has lied about how they should look, without explanation, but the physics of all this indicates they should look exactly as they are observed.
and this is impossible on a flat earth. star trails at the equator in particular, simply cannot exist the way resident loon says the world works. nor can their be entirely different stars visible in the south -- which is easily verified, and is the truth. a truth he has to ignore.

here's the crux of all this: AVITW is ignoring the truth, and replacing it with lies. it is the only way for him to keep hold of this FE thing. so to reject the truth, and replace it with lies, for the sake of an idea, is to make that idea god.
for AVITW, "flat earth" is god. it is what he worships. it is his gospel. anything that conflicts with it, he buries or lies about. he builds his entire life and mind around it, bowing to it.

which is idolatry.

which is why it is so offensive for a person to claim to be Christian and then play obeisance to this lie: he is a spiritual adulterer.
 
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PostHuman, how do I get through to this dunderhead that he's peddling lies as truth? I've said all I can. If I'm not careful, I'll just resort to all kinds of insults. I better just beat my head against a brick wall. It would be more fruitful.
 
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this makes sunset impossible.

in this paradigm, the light of the setting sun would not look red-orange against the bottom of clouds and could never appear to dip below the horizon.

this paradigm assumes that light can only travel a finite distance - about 1/4 of the circumference of the earth. so the sun would reach some angular distance from the horizon about 5pm and then just grow dim without appearing to move lower in the sky.
morning would just be the sun moving horizontally in the sky, never appearing over the horizon, without all the brilliant colors everyone sees every morning, but simply growing brighter from a fixed 40* or so above the horizon.
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You gotta be kidding me, right? See, that's why these kinds of debates with those who are brainwashed by science are just a constant back & forth dance that goes nowhere because you all use the exact same "scientific" examples to explain MULTIPLE "DIFFERENT" phenomena AS IT SUITS YOUR PURPOSE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

I, on the other hand, haven't changed any part of my story or one single explanation even ONCE.

YOU say: Rainbows get their perfectly static arched structure from the perfectly spherical structure of water droplets (which are never perfectly spherical) YET sun's rays through the clouds get bent like a prism into perfectly 'STRAIGHT' lines veering away from their original path of light.

Okay, whatever you say, man!!

All of what you said above completely contradicts your "Vanishing Point" explanation.

In fact, your vanishing point image more accurately describes Flat Earth theory than Spherical Earth, with its perfectly FLAT horizon and its "Vanishing Point" going off infinitely straight away from viewer til it disappears from the naked eye's ability to make it out any further. Art has even taught the concept & perspective of 'Vanishing Point' for thousands of years to demonstrate this FACT of the Flat Earth. Since LONG before anybody dreamed up the Ball Earth LIE, artists were trained to SEE very clearly what the Earth REALLY does over long distances.

Nobody who debates Flat Earth EVER claimed the Earth was small. That's 'Science's' straw man fallacy to confuse the matter. Earth is still large enough for an object moving away from us to eventually be invisible. Even the sun. The Flat Earth sun and moon are only 32 miles in diameter. Very easy for them to disappear into the distance.

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this doesn't adequately explain the phases of the moon, lunar eclipses, solar eclipses, the trans-solar passage of mercury, venus and satellites ((you can get pictures of the ISS going across the sun, and venus going across the sun, etc, and the scale is completely wrong for this paradigm, plus it shouldn't be able to happen in the first place because no coherent theory explains why these bodies should orbit the way they must according to observation)), nor the passage of other planets behind the sun. and it doesn't explain how venus has phases like the moon.
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I've already explained the moon's phases, lunar eclipses and the moon can still eclipse the sun in this world model as well as stars (planets) moving behind the sun. Everything else you refer to here is all science garbage.

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it doesn't explain seasons - summer/winter is not produced by the sun being closer or farther from the planet; in fact that is measurable and the sun is further during summer and closer during winter ((for the northern hemisphere)).

this doesn't explain the yearly movement of the sun in the sky, aphelion and perihelion and solstice and equinox.

this fails to explain the existence and geometry of anti-crepuscular rays.
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All of this has been explained. I won't waste my "EFFORT" reproducing it here based on your refusal to accept it the first time and your attempts to distract and derail this discussion.

BY THE WAY, if everything I present on this Forum is such absolute nonsense, why is it that YOU and OTHERS rail against the information so VICIOUSLY?

I mean, if I were here claiming that there are invisible flying pink and purple elephants around us at all times, do you really think you'd all be breaking such a sweat to deny that?

OF COURSE NOT!!

Yet, since the information I am presenting ACTUALLY has UNDENIABLE substance, you are so utterly threatened by it that you are clearly DESPERATE to shut me up and struggle IN VAIN to prove me wrong.

So if everything I'm saying here is nonsense, then just go away and let those who are sincerely interested in the topic discuss it in peace.

You DO believe it is nonsense,........................................ don't you??????? :confused:

 
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there is no comprehensible reason that anything should move in the sky the way it does in flat earth. orbits are impossible, there is no reason for gravity to act as it does, for light to act as it does, for EM waves to act as they do, for weather to act as it does, for seasons to be as they are, for day and night to act as it does. for the earth to be the shape that this deluded fellow has been confused into believing it is. for 1,000 things to be as they are easily observed to be.
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I've been to Australia a couple of times. The moon looks funny there. It's upside-down! That wouldn't happen on a flat earth. And all the constellations are different.
 
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false. all these things work on a globe. perfectly.
in fact gyros and sundials can't work on a flat earth.

gyroscopic compasses have been used for hundreds of years, relying on the fact that the earth is spherical and spins on its axis, by sailors to accurately determine their longitude at sea when stars were not visible.

periscopes and lighthouses work perfectly well.
why not?
sometimes you act as though the earth is very very small -- but in fact it is so large that curvature on the horizon from the normal heights that people live at from day to day, it is almost imperceptible, unless we look at the horizon with a much larger angular distance than our own eyes see -- a very wide angle shot. the horizon at sea is miles away, so a lighthouse or a periscope function perfectly well and beautifully for many miles, easily well enough away from a ship at war or a ship approaching the coast to be alerted long before they are in danger.
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SEE, there you go again with your Double Talk.

YOU say the Earth is too small for the sun to disappear into the "Vanishing Point" and that it would simply HOVER above the horizon 40 degrees...

And YOU say that it would simply FADE OUT while simultaneously accusing ME of claiming that light only travels short distances.

The horizon at sea 'IS' miles away.....YES, many, MANY miles away, indeed!!

You just can't make up YOUR mind, can you? My claims have stayed as solid as ROCK, as solid as the ROCK that I stand upon for ALL my beliefs and ALL my convictions. I have no need to dance around and backtrack and double-step and struggle.

The facts fend for themselves.




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but on a disc earth geometry, these things should be able to see infinitely. you ought to be able to discern a lighthouse on the coast of the UK from Boston harbor... something you ignore.
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No, what YOU ignore is that this very type of example has been shown over and over and over. You CAN see cities on distant shorelines from opposite shores. If you have a telescope or zoom lens powerful enough, you CAN see all of these things. The Hubble could easily see one end of the Earth from the other.

AND, once again, you're backtracking because YOU claim these things CAN be seen but that it's just a mirage raising the images into view, just like in your next comment below.

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that's something these kooks ignore quite alot. they love to ignore all the effects of atmospheric refraction of visible light and of radio-spectrum EM waves that allow us to *see* over the curved horizon, and parade around pictures of things miles across water taken on humid days ((exactly the right conditions for atmospheric refraction to be at its highest effects)) and say "
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So which is it, PH? Can they be seen or can't they?

Try to stick with a single position on each concept for once. And good luck, 'cause you CAN'T do it and still hold your argument together, as a whole.
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oh you shouldn't be able to see this far according to my ignorance and my hiding a lot of other details from you"
. . but they never go on to say, "in fact you should be able to see way further than this. Mt. Everest should be visible from most of Asia. you should be able to see Africa from Brazil. you should be able to see a lighthouse from 100 miles away, and be able to take a laser pointer in Portugal and mess with kittens on the Florida coast"

where are those pictures?
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Oh, NOW pictures are valid? More of the same dancing and side-stepping and changing explanations to suit your ever-changing purpose.

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ask such a question, and the subject will quickly be changed.
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As a matter of fact, YOUR sorry tail has refused to respond to COUNTLESS questions and accusations. I, on the other hand, have taken the time and "EFFORT" to answer every single question posed on the subject.

And, honestly, WHO CARES if people want to research these things for themselves? I think people can decide for themselves what they want to believe.

NONE OF THIS INFORMATION IS GOING TO SEND ANYONE TO HELL.

So stop acting like you're protecting people's salvation with all your frantic, desperate and ridiculous opposition.

If the Earth is Flat, WHO CARES?

You don't impress me one bit, PH. And your true purpose, here, is evident for "ALL" to see.
 
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PostHuman, how do I get through to this dunderhead that he's peddling lies as truth? I've said all I can. If I'm not careful, I'll just resort to all kinds of insults. I better just beat my head against a brick wall. It would be more fruitful.
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So, Tin man, since you're the expert of books on 'How to read the Bible', tell me.

What does this book that you recommend have to say about Joshua's Long Day?

Or giants?

Or dragons?

Or the parting of the Red Sea?

Or any other parts of the Bible that are hard to believe from today's science-based perspective.

All just poppycock, I suppose?

Primitive man's misinterpretation of complex scientific concepts that had not been discovered or fully understood yet?
 
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There's no doubt AVoiceintheWilderness you won't look beyond the flat earth concept nor will people look to the flat earth concept in modern times for most people are up to date on this concept of what shape the earth is.
 
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There's no doubt AVoiceintheWilderness you won't look beyond the flat earth concept nor will people look to the flat earth concept in modern times for most people are up to date on this concept of what shape the earth is.
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OK, ok.........................I give up. You win.

This Flat Earth thing just can't POSSIBLY be true. I admit it.

It's just crazy, it's ludicrous.

There is just NO WAY any of this is true.

I admit it.

I concede. You ALL win.
 
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But what I just don't understand is why the horizon is always straight every single time. Why?



I just want you to gently and compassionately answer my questions, Posthuman.

I mean you know a lot and stuff.

I just want us to be best friends. Can't we be friends?

I simply want to know why lighthouses can be seen from hundreds of miles away when light can't bend around the Earth's curve. Why, Tintin? Why? My SOUL longs to know these things.



Why don't airplanes continuously fly downward so they don't end up in space? WHY BeyondET?

Can't you have mercy on me and HELP me to understand these simple questions?



Why is there not one single photograph of Earth from space? JUST ONE!!!

And why does NASA admit to using photoshop for their images of Earth?

WHY Christians? These are sincere, desperate pleas for somebody to help.



PLEASE, Posthuman. Please lay all my questions to rest. I just want us to be really close friends.

So no more sadness.



And no more frothing anger.



I totally understand, there's no need to explain.



High Five, buddy!



See, we CAN come to a peaceful agreement.

Just tell me why there are no train tracks anywhere on Earth that are designed to accommodate for the curvature that we've been taught exists? Why are there no bridges or tunnels or architectural structures of ANY kind that are built with these factors in mind?

WHY, Talishi?

WHY, Magenta???

Can I not come to y'all with honest questions without being brutalized and ganged up on and ridiculed?

Help me to understand these things so I can tell others. People want to know.

Why does the Bible describe the Flat Earth model from the firmament to the pillars God describes to Job; to Joshua stopping the sun and moon; to Isaiah's circle of the Earth that he makes clear is not a ball; to Daniel's tree that the whole world could see; to the devil taking Jesus up on a high mountain and showing Him all the kingdoms of the earth; to Jesus' promise that "ALL eyes will see him when He returns"; to Revelation's claim that all the stars will fall to the Earth in the end and so on and so forth.

Stars falling to the Earth? That's only even minutely possible in the Flat Earth model of the world where the stars are small and inside the firmament.

So how, guys? Come on now, guys.

How can these things be?

I admit none of it is true. None of it.

But why all the proof of Flat Earth concepts?

How is it possible?
 
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The International Space Station and a supply capsule photographed through a telescope by astrophotographer Ralf Vandebergh of the Netherlands. If the Earth was flat this baby would go over the edge on the first orbit.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness said:
Just tell me why there are no train tracks anywhere on Earth that are designed to accommodate for the curvature that we've been taught exists? Why are there no bridges or tunnels or architectural structures of ANY kind that are built with these factors in mind?
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Train tracks are pretty bendy. They conform to differences in elevation pretty easily. The only thing that I know of that they do take into account is temperature for expansion and contraction.

I could show some pictures if I had to.

I think you know that this argument of a flat earth vs a sphere is mostly a relative one. Meaning, that most of our experience and explanation is from our perspective of us being still and everything moving around us. What is really happening?

You could change that explanation based on which perspective that YOU want to explain it from.

Like I said earlier, the only concept that is not described from the point of view of a flat earth is corrections required for artillery and long distance arms depending on which direction they are aiming at. Those corrections would not be required for a flat earth and/or one that is not spinning.

That is about the only thing that bothers me, like a piece of sand in my food, about the perspective of a flat earth or non-spinning earth.

Too bad we can't take a couple days off and go shoot some artillery in a bunch of different directions and see for ourselves...

Its hard for some people to see things from a different perspective. I think once we are saved, we don't trust those perceptions so much, being tricked the first time... so its a little easier to abandon the things you once "knew" and prescribe to a different "perspective".

To illustrate what I mean, it would be like arguing whether a car is moving down the road and the road is still or whether the road is moving under the car and the car is still. From inside the car it sure seems like everything is moving around it and the car is still. You can throw things up and they fall straight back down. You could provide explanations for both points of view. Even experiments "proving" one perspective over the other.

Without a Gods Eye view I would say we don't really know for sure. We are just guessing based on the evidence we see.
 
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Without a Gods Eye view I would say we don't really know for sure. We are just guessing based on the evidence we see.
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Grandpa, I like your comments and respect you as a real human being who thinks about these things and responds based on your unbiased perspectives and opinions. Not someone who is desperately trying to silence dissention.

Having said that, this last sentence, here, really strikes me.

You see, I believe that God answers our prayers and requests, even before we ask. Just as the Bible says He does.

And I agree with that sentence of yours 100% and believe that God does as well.

I believe that is exactly why He gave us the Bible.

Basically, every single argument/debate on Earth comes down to relative perspective and opinion and ultimately the question arises, "Who can be the final word on it all? Who can be the judge?"

Well, that's where God comes in. That's where His Word 'Shines.'

Most people don't even believe in the firmament, yet 'God' Himself says it's there right in Genesis 1:6-8. Most Christians don't even believe God created the world in 6 literal days, yet it's right there, described in detail in the very first chapter of the Bible, Genesis 1. "And the evening and the morning were the first 'DAY.' Literal 'DAYS.'

They say, "Well, yeah, BUT a day is like a thousand years to God!" Forgetting, if they ever knew, that the second half of that verse says, "and a thousand years are as a day." (2 Pet. 3:8) Which is referring to God existing outside of time. That's all. He created time, so He is not bound by it. How else could He see the end from the beginning? (Isa. 46:10)

Psalms tell us God set the Earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. (Ps. 104:5)

That contradicts every single aspect of what science tells us about our world.

The Earth spins = moving.
The Earth revolves around the sun = moving.
The Earth hurdles through space with sun and other planets in the Milky Way galaxy as 'IT' spins= moving.
The Earth and all those things fly along with the galaxy as it zooms through space, itself, at a million mph = moving.

Where is the faith of Christians these days? As I have pointed out repeatedly, NOBODY reads their Bible. And, apparently, those who do, don't even believe what it says anymore.

Job is the oldest book in the Bible, nobody even knows exactly when it was written. This is a book to be studied, folks, in the KJV version. God speaks of dragons (dinosaurs) existing alongside man (as does Daniel). God speaks of the foundations He laid for the Earth. God speaks of the pillars he set to stabilize the Earth. The ends of the Earth are spoken of in Job as well as all throughout the Bible.

There are no ends to a Sphere.

Again, why do we take a modern, evolutionary perspective when it comes to these types of verses and assume that people were just primitive back then and hadn't figured it all out yet? THAT is the epitome of PRIDE and ARROGANCE. Who are we to question the WORD OF GOD?!!

Well, I'll tell you ONE thing, we are TAUGHT to. Just as Tintin points out. We have books that tell us just 'HOW' to read God's word and MEN with degrees and reputations telling us just 'HOW' to interpret these things. Haven't ANY of you ever heard of the history of the Roman Catholic Church and how it did exactly the same thing, keeping God's Word completely to itself and telling people they couldn't POSSIBLY understand the Bible and NEEDED the Church to tell them what it says and what it means. People were hunted down, jailed, tortured and burned alive for fighting to get Bibles into the hands of the common man so that we could all know first-hand EXACTLY what God's Word had to tell and teach us.

Now, we've worked our way right back to NEEDING those who we are told are more knowledgeable of these complex things to HELP us understand God's Word.

Who taught these MEN how to understand these things? Uh-huh, and who taught 'those' MEN? Uh-huh, and 'those' MEN?

Exactly.

It is only when we trust the Holy Spirit to teach us God's Word that we TRULY discover the meanings God intends for us to understand. That is the ONLY way.

(1 Jn. 2:26-27) These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing (Holy Spirit) which you have received from Him abides in you, and YOU DO NOT NEED THAT ANYONE TEACH YOU; but as the same anointing (Holy Spirit) teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him (Holy Spirit).

So basically there is ample evidence all throughout the Bible of things that modern science and society CAN not and WILL not 'EVER' see or accept. The VAST majority of those alive on the Earth today are lost and will NEVER see the difficult truths that God reveals to those who love Him with all their heart, all their mind and all their soul.

Strive to discover those things and God will show you. But don't expect to be able to carefully skim them off the surface without getting wet. You have to COMMIT and you have to dive in with all your clothes on and swim down deep and dig and fight and give up everything you love about this world to obtain the treasures God has to reveal to you. They don't come easy and He certainly doesn't distribute them out to all comers, like candy.

They are treasures that must be sought with everything you have for the rest of your life. And when you find them, you can expect the world to oppose you viciously for the Truth that resides within you and the cause that you stand for and live for.

It is a great blessing, but a curse.

Good luck and God bless.
 
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PostHuman, how do I get through to this dunderhead that he's peddling lies as truth? I've said all I can. If I'm not careful, I'll just resort to all kinds of insults. I better just beat my head against a brick wall. It would be more fruitful.
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this is the thing about this thread that i'm actually interested in -- because this guy doesn't have anything new, and all of his "so-called-arguments" are tired, deceptive, misleading, ill-informed, confused, deluded and more to the point, long since debunked and addressed and refuted multiple times. there's not much interesting to talk about on that front; it's all been said before, all this has been explained to him, he rejects and/or ignores all rational and logical explanation, and continues to, and just moves on to the next thing in the same bag of deceptions and delusions he's been using for years.

boring. not worth the effort.

but the "not worth the effort" thing is what i'm actually interested in discussing, because to answer your question,
"how do i get through . . "
i don't think you can. i think such people are beyond reach.

case in point: this fellows delusion reaches so far, that if you go back to the first things he said in this thread, and the first tim i poked my nose in, he immediately pounced on me with personal attacks and gave the very clear impression that he believes i am either literally the only person responding to him or one of only a very small number of people. he thinks i have 15 or 20 logins here, and that you don't exist, tintin -- but that you're another one of my profiles, and i just use you to agree with me. he thinks i'm one of only a very small handful of people that "deny flat earth" on this forum, and the only one ((or almost the only one)) who ever actively says anything against it.
and then later he asks "who made you the person to debate this" -- well, he did. he called me out specifically and thinks anyone else who disagrees with him is just me under a different username.

this isn't rational thought.

i'm of a mind that person under this delusion to the extent that this fellow is is unreachable by any means. in order to believe this stuff, you must be irrational, illogical and some combination of willfully ignorant and intellectually lazy. you cannot have an objective, scientific approach, because every such path leads to rejecting this idea. you cannot be rational, because rational thinking immediately rejects this. you cannot be knowledgeable about the sciences, because this theory conflicts with all kinds of science and observation. so you have to be either too lazy to actually look into these things, or so myopically devoted to it ((as though an idol)) that in the face of obvious contradictions, you ignore the truth and suppress it, replacing it with lies.
this fellow has been shown the truth and knowledge and observation and logic and reason. this is not the first thread on the subject he's been in. so it's not laziness: it's irrationality. he's just nuts.

and doesn't this sound familiar, replacing the truth with a lie, rejecting all argument without any sound reason? i've begun to wonder if it's not judgement, that God has given them over to a depraved intellect, by which their minds are destroyed?

the psychology of all this is much more interesting to me these days than correcting 20 things every time he posts. that's just tiresome.

i mean, i could go through all his recent posts and point out where he's misrepresenting me, flat out lying, ignoring other things that have already been shown to him, leaving out facts, and so on -- but why? why bother.

i think that psychologically he is beyond the reach of reason, logic or evidence. i think this is to the point that it is a spiritual problem, or a literal issue with his entire way of thinking being broken, which may be owing to judgement for sin.

there's a point where you want to tell the truth, but the truth is insulting, and i don't think that at that point it is an insult anymore in the sense of a personal attack. it's not very loving to ignore such serious issues with a person when yu see that in them, is it?
 
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Just so we're on the same page....

According to you, I am:

unreasonable
beyond reach
a liar
delusional
irrational
illogical
willfully ignorant
intellectual lazy
unknowledgeable
God has blinded me from the truth and has destroyed my mind
my entire way of thinking is broken due to God's judgment of my excessive sin
I am possessed and I'm NUTS.

Ok, now that we've got all that out of the way, I do want to thank you for this last part, here.

posthuman said:

there's a point where you want to tell the truth, but the truth is insulting, and i don't think that at that point it is an insult anymore in the sense of a personal attack. it's not very loving to ignore such serious issues with a person when yu see that in them, is it?
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Sheesh, if you had insulted me, I don't know what I'd do.

Thanks for the reminder that I assigned YOU as the designated response to all my posts. I had completely forgotten about that. Probably more evidence of my obvious dysphoria.

YIKES. :confused: 'Preciate it!

And.........moving on.

Here is a Flat Earth map from:

Monte, Urbano (1544–1613)




And here is The Piri Reis Map of 1513






Arctic continent on the Gerardus Mercator map of 1595




Giovanni Domenico Cassini / Jean Baptiste Nolin: Planisphere Terrestre … 1696




Planisphere Terrestre, Suivant les nouvelles Observations des Astronomes – 1713




Planisphere Representant Toute L’Etendue Du Monde Dans L’Ordre Qu’on A Suivi Dans Ce Livre – 1790




Middletons Pioneer Map of the World, plane and immoveable – 1876





 
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BeyondET

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AVoiceintheWilderness said:
But what I just don't understand is why the horizon is always straight every single time. Why?



I just want you to gently and compassionately answer my questions, Posthuman.

I mean you know a lot and stuff.

I just want us to be best friends. Can't we be friends?

I simply want to know why lighthouses can be seen from hundreds of miles away when light can't bend around the Earth's curve. Why, Tintin? Why? My SOUL longs to know these things.



Why don't airplanes continuously fly downward so they don't end up in space? WHY BeyondET?

Can't you have mercy on me and HELP me to understand these simple questions?



Why is there not one single photograph of Earth from space? JUST ONE!!!

And why does NASA admit to using photoshop for their images of Earth?

WHY Christians? These are sincere, desperate pleas for somebody to help.



PLEASE, Posthuman. Please lay all my questions to rest. I just want us to be really close friends.

So no more sadness.



And no more frothing anger.



I totally understand, there's no need to explain.



High Five, buddy!



See, we CAN come to a peaceful agreement.

Just tell me why there are no train tracks anywhere on Earth that are designed to accommodate for the curvature that we've been taught exists? Why are there no bridges or tunnels or architectural structures of ANY kind that are built with these factors in mind?

WHY, Talishi?

WHY, Magenta???

Can I not come to y'all with honest questions without being brutalized and ganged up on and ridiculed?

Help me to understand these things so I can tell others. People want to know.

Why does the Bible describe the Flat Earth model from the firmament to the pillars God describes to Job; to Joshua stopping the sun and moon; to Isaiah's circle of the Earth that he makes clear is not a ball; to Daniel's tree that the whole world could see; to the devil taking Jesus up on a high mountain and showing Him all the kingdoms of the earth; to Jesus' promise that "ALL eyes will see him when He returns"; to Revelation's claim that all the stars will fall to the Earth in the end and so on and so forth.

Stars falling to the Earth? That's only even minutely possible in the Flat Earth model of the world where the stars are small and inside the firmament.

So how, guys? Come on now, guys.

How can these things be?

I admit none of it is true. None of it.

But why all the proof of Flat Earth concepts?

How is it possible?
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What happen to your statement in post #190

its ok you still have some growing to do your only 15 yrs old. the human mind doesn't reach maturity until around 30 years of age.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness said:
.....It is only when we trust the Holy Spirit to teach us God's Word that we TRULY discover the meanings God intends for us to understand. That is the ONLY way......


.....Strive to discover those things and God will show you. But don't expect to be able to carefully skim them off the surface without getting wet. You have to COMMIT and you have to dive in with all your clothes on and swim down deep and dig and fight and give up everything you love about this world to obtain the treasures God has to reveal to you. They don't come easy and He certainly doesn't distribute them out to all comers, like candy.

They are treasures that must be sought with everything you have for the rest of your life. And when you find them, you can expect the world to oppose you viciously for the Truth that resides within you and the cause that you stand.... and live for.

It is a great blessing, but a curse.

Good luck and God bless.
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