Fight the good fight of faith

[Grace777x70]

Is that the JP newly revised edition? 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."

The NASB is short for New American Standard Bible and it is translated correctly - in that it is Jesus who keeps us - we don't keep ourselves. This is what your religion teaches.

The Amplified bible says the same thing as does the ESV, HCSB, Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament , NIV, RSV and many others.

This is the 3rd time you have dodged the logical question about your beliefs. So, no more rabbit trails.

I know how your game works...So, what about the reality that you still sin and thus you are not born of God?

1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.


So, you never sin then? Is that true? Remember malice and slander count as sinning in God's eyes.

Because if you have sinned since coming to Christ ( Which I hope you have received Christ as some point in your life ) - you are not born of God.

I don't think you understand that verse nor 1 John 3:9 nor 1 Peter 1:23 - especially the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I will look at it. But the issue still remains that there is division in the house and it stems from those who need to see their brothers works as some sort of validation that they are their brother.

And the brother who will not exalt his works doesn't really care to hear his brother exalt his

He knows who he is. An unworthy servant who is doing what is expected of him

Here is the post where I told you which post he was laughing at when you were missing it

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/141519-fight-good-fight-faith-9.html#post2788466

And the issue is the same (that you exalted yourself and jumped on the wrong bandwagon) and that he would likely forgive you for it without you ever needing to ask.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Again, a cause for review. Nothing more. As far as the scripture he has provided, do you truly believe you do not sin? I am not asking you to call God a liar, the verse is true but does your conduct align itself with this truth in practicality? If not, are you not born again? Did you sin recently? Has InSpiritInTruth sinned recently? Is haughtiness a sin?

Anyways, if he claims he is without sin, do you not have a verse for that as well? I'm sure it came to the forefront of your mind, its about calling God a liar. Either way, do you think this verse has to do with the incorruptible seed as opposed to actual conduct? If not, why? If so, are you condemned? You are in quite the conundrum.

I just love watching the game of shifting the goal posts it even works much like false accusations (diversionary).

I have posted on that before, do a forum search, my screen shot function isnt working today for some reason

 

[BenFTW]

I just love watching the game of shifting the goal posts it even works much like false accusations (diversionary).

I have posted on that before, do a forum search, my screen shot function isnt working today for some reason

There is no red herring. You didn't answer the question, nor provided a link. He simply makes the mistake of attributing what is describing the incorruptible seed as a form of conduct. This leads to a false gospel, and lack of assurance. It puts confidence in self, rather than Christ. You like so many posts with messages clearly interpreted wrong, and don't even see it. Unless of course you too are among that "camp" which is in itself haughty and quick to condemn.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Just because a person sins does not mean that they are not True Christians. Just look at Peter when he sinned by denying that he Walked with Jesus. Three times he sinned by lying. Did Jesus tell him he was not a Christian? No, Jesus did not.

Mark 14:66-
[SUP]66 [/SUP]As Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant-girls of the high priest *came, [SUP]67 [/SUP]and seeing Peter warming himself, she looked at him and said, “You also were with Jesus the Nazarene.” [SUP]68 [/SUP]But he denied it, saying, “I neither know nor understand what you are talking about.” And he went out onto the porch. [SUP]69 [/SUP]The servant-girl saw him, and began once more to say to the bystanders, “This is one of them!” [SUP]70 [/SUP]But again he denied it. And after a little while the bystanders were again saying to Peter, “Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean too.” [SUP]71 [/SUP]But he began to curse and swear, “I do not know this man you are talking about!” [SUP]72 [/SUP]Immediately a rooster crowed a second time. And Peter remembered how Jesus had made the remark to him, “Before a rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times.” And he began to weep.

Clearly Peter sinned by lying. So why are those teaching if we sin we are not born of God???

We need to understand we WILL sin, and sin EVERYDAY! But fortunately my Salvation is NOT based on my not sinning. My Salvation is by the Grace of God, and its God who forgives me every time i sin.

Its true God does not want us to sin, but He does know we are weak in the flesh. My God is not a tyrant, He is a Loving God.

 

[disciplemike]

everyone wants a free ticket to heaven.
it seemeth.

 

[MikeHenderson]

And some want to enter Heaven by their own works.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

He simply makes the mistake of attributing what is describing the incorruptible seed as a form of conduct.

Straw man, the seed is Christ. But if Christ is truly in you then you will not remain in sin, because in Him is no sin.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Just because a person sins does not mean that they are not True Christians. Just look at Peter when he sinned by denying that he Walked with Jesus. Three times he sinned by lying. Did Jesus tell him he was not a Christian? No, Jesus did not.

Mark 14:66-
[SUP]66 [/SUP]As Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant-girls of the high priest *came, [SUP]67 [/SUP]and seeing Peter warming himself, she looked at him and said, “You also were with Jesus the Nazarene.” [SUP]68 [/SUP]But he denied it, saying, “I neither know nor understand what you are talking about.” And he went out onto the porch. [SUP]69 [/SUP]The servant-girl saw him, and began once more to say to the bystanders, “This is one of them!” [SUP]70 [/SUP]But again he denied it. And after a little while the bystanders were again saying to Peter, “Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean too.” [SUP]71 [/SUP]But he began to curse and swear, “I do not know this man you are talking about!” [SUP]72 [/SUP]Immediately a rooster crowed a second time. And Peter remembered how Jesus had made the remark to him, “Before a rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times.” And he began to weep.

Clearly Peter sinned by lying. So why are those teaching if we sin we are not born of God???

We need to understand we WILL sin, and sin EVERYDAY! But fortunately my Salvation is NOT based on my not sinning. My Salvation is by the Grace of God, and its God who forgives me every time i sin.

Its true God does not want us to sin, but He does know we are weak in the flesh. My God is not a tyrant, He is a Loving God.

That's a bad example because Peter was not yet born again of the Spirit, Peters rebirth happened after Jesus was resurrected. Also I am not saying a Christian can never sin, because I know they can, and do, and some will even fall away from the faith completely. So don't let others put words in my mouth.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

That's what I say, it is not me they hateth!

I can't help but believe you to a certain extent because I have witnessed it again and again over the years, that which rises up against the words themselves (and they werent your words) or even how you were using them but just the words themselves. And because you post mostly scripture so thats not difficult to imagine, and because you dont often speak from yourself or try to guide them with your own in an attempt to give an interpretation but to find other scripture which agrees in the same according to what you might be showing.

But I dont recall you ever being met with anything other than hostility whenever you posted certain verses and John 5:18 is one of those hostility inviting verses.

Or even when you have brought into perspective other verses (and I am speaking in respects to their surrounding context) or even when lifting them out of their surrounding context to show the same things agreeing elsehwere (whichever).

 

[PeterJens]

People have no issues with the word of God - just your "application" of some of them.

Now from someone who claims to speak the truth, this is simply a lie.
We have lots of problems with the word of God, which is why we are fallen and need to follow
and walk the narrow path.

When Jesus says "love your enemy" some say Jesus is just giving us an impossible standard
which is impossible to show we a fallen, while others that this shows how much we need to change
and real effort we have to put in. Now both parties admit this command is hard.

But if lying comes this easily just to create impressions, what does it say about the pride and
pomposity of the the person making these statements.

If you follow Jesus you will always be careful to qualify ones understanding of His words,
because sometimes there is much hidden meaning and complexity which on the surface is
not apparent.

Take for instance our righteousness has to be greater than the pharisees and saduces.
Now for me Jesus is meaning, appearing to follow righteousness is not enough, it has to
come from the heart. But then that is an obvious reality, because hypocracy is worthless.

But I have read people say again this is just saying following righteousness is not the way
to go at all, but just depend on Christ. Now from my perspective this is total abdication of
the promise of the cross and freedom. Life and reality come from purity, truth and honesty,
so to deny this foundation is to walk in darkness.

But for those who like darkness and have not walked in the light, they would never know
because nothing has ever changed for them. Ironic that, but demonstrates why they have
no clue the territory they are in, or the obvious mistakes they are making.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

There is no red herring. You didn't answer the question, nor provided a link. He simply makes the mistake of attributing what is describing the incorruptible seed as a form of conduct. This leads to a false gospel, and lack of assurance. It puts confidence in self, rather than Christ. You like so many posts with messages clearly interpreted wrong, and don't even see it. Unless of course you too are among that "camp" which is in itself haughty and quick to condemn.

I know how the diversion game is played I dont play, you only defended your "if" while overpassing my Moses and went into Gods words (not ISIT's) and provide nothing yourself but demand a link (and thats exactly what I pointed out earlier) if folks just quoted folks and not sticking them on the apostles words (as if those originated with the poster) there would be less of those diversions...Oh wait... I think I get it now

And I have already shared (and twice on this forum) why I dont go there, I invite you to fetch these things under the search "sinneth not" or "cannot sin" Look for it, because I typically bend over backwards filling pages with screenshots on all of you guys parts, so if you want to know off the topic of ISIT (who I was asking about) then fetch it.

You gotta do your own snaring homework, so if you wish to snare me fetch it, at least work a little for the desired kill. And then from there "I go" but I'm not doing all the work.

But no, I am not the least bit interested in answering your questions both for the reasons I have stated and this additional one, because they are being used to divert (and not interested).

I will chalk it up to the fact that you are no different from the others and you can chalk me up to whatever best suites your reasons for needing to divert.

 

[BenFTW]

That's a bad example because Peter was not yet born again of the Spirit, Peters rebirth happened after Jesus was resurrected. Also I am not saying a Christian can never sin, because I know they can, and do, and some will even fall away from the faith completely. So don't let others put words in my mouth.

These statements don't align themselves with your use of the verse from earlier. So now a born again Christian can sin, as opposed to no born again believer sins? Maybe for once you'd like to fully explain your position, and address apparent contradictions?

 

[miknik5]

He said he was singing in the rain not calling down fire upon them

And his laughter will likely be twisted into laughing down curses upon them too but you cant change how folks take your words and twist them into thing like that

No that isn't why he said "I'm singing in the rain"

 

[Grace777x70]

These statements don't align themselves with your use of the verse from earlier. So now a born again Christian can sin, as opposed to no born again believer sins? Maybe for once you'd like to fully explain your position, and address apparent contradictions?

I have asked 3 times and got no answer and I have seen others ask too. Personally I think it's a complete waste of time - we should just leave the scriptures of what we believe and refute the times that things are being "twisted" and just leave it at that.

Let the Lord deal with him - at least the new people won't be hoodwinked into his religion.

Here is my 3rd attempt awhile ago to get him to be honest with us. Post #221

This is the 3rd time you have dodged the logical question about your beliefs. So, no more rabbit trails.

I know how your game works...So, what about the reality that you still sin and thus you are not born of God?

1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.


So, you never sin then? Is that true? Remember malice and slander count as sinning in God's eyes.

Because if you have sinned since coming to Christ ( Which I hope you have received Christ as some point in your life ) - you are not born of God.

I don't think you understand that verse nor 1 John 3:9 nor 1 Peter 1:23 - especially the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

No that isn't why he said "I'm singing in the rain"

I didnt give a reason why he said he was singing in the rain

 

[BenFTW]

I know how the diversion game is played I dont play, you only defended your "if" while overpassing my Moses and went into Gods words (not ISIT's) and provide nothing yourself but demand a link (and thats exactly what I pointed out earlier) if folks just quoted folks and not sticking them on the apostles words (as if those originated with the poster) there would be less of those diversions...Oh wait... I think I get it now

And I have already shared (and twice on this forum) why I dont go there, I invite you to fetch these things under the search "sinneth not" or "cannot sin" Look for it, because I typically bend over backwards filling pages with screenshots on all of you guys parts, so if you want to know off the topic of ISIT (who I was asking about) then fetch it.

You gotta do your own snaring homework, so if you wish to snare me fetch it, at least work a little for the desired kill. And then from there "I go" but I'm not doing all the work.

But no, I am not the least bit interested in answering your questions both for the reasons I have stated and this additional one, because they are being used to divert (and not interested).

I will chalk it up to the fact that you are no different from the others and you can chalk me up to whatever best suites your reasons for needing to divert.

So off-base... on so many levels. I don't think you realize how antagonizing you are when you jump into these conversations speaking of people as if they are not present (and can't read what you are posting, though they can and are). I don't need to "chalk you up", but you obviously felt the need to degrade me as "no different from the others." It seems you yourself have some agenda, and it ain't peace. Often times its stirring up strife as you give your two cents and have others pat you on the back as it were through likes. I guess that chalks it up, haha.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

So off-base... on so many levels. I don't think you realize how antagonizing you are when you jump into these conversations speaking of people as if they are not present (and can't read what you are posting, though they can and are). I don't need to "chalk you up", but you obviously felt the need to degrade me as "no different from the others." It seems you yourself have some agenda, and it ain't peace. Often times its stirring up strife as you give your two cents and have others pat you on the back as it were through likes. I guess that chalks it up, haha.

You come to the defense of peculiar people at times, often white tombs.

Maybe you dont realize the same eh?

 

[Grace777x70]

So off-base... on so many levels. I don't think you realize how antagonizing you are when you jump into these conversations speaking of people as if they are not present (and can't read what you are posting, though they can and are). I don't need to "chalk you up", but you obviously felt the need to degrade me as "no different from the others." It seems you yourself have some agenda, and it ain't peace. Often times its stirring up strife as you give your two cents and have others pat you on the back as it were through likes. I guess that chalks it up, haha.

It's probably best just to walk away Ben...we all know the purpose for the "baiting" and the mockings...we have presented the scriptures on the wonderful gospel of the grace of Christ as we believe them to be.

It's best to stay clear of these types of encounters with them - as we have seen many times in the past. Nothing gets accomplished and it is useless. We just need to trust the Lord that the truth of the beauty of Christ will shine forth.

The truth of the glorious salvation, love and grace of our Lord Jesus will prevail.

2 Corinthians 13:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For we can do nothing against the truth, but only for the truth.

 

[PeterJens]

So off-base... on so many levels. I don't think you realize how antagonizing you are when you jump into these conversations speaking of people as if they are not present (and can't read what you are posting, though they can and are). I don't need to "chalk you up", but you obviously felt the need to degrade me as "no different from the others." It seems you yourself have some agenda, and it ain't peace. Often times its stirring up strife as you give your two cents and have others pat you on the back as it were through likes. I guess that chalks it up, haha.

I have to say, this approach is exactly what Grace777 does all the time, so it makes me laugh.
And degrading? When people are called anti-christian, lying, full of hatred and malice, slander
you cannot get much more degrading than this.

But then this is what happens when people believe they are talking about the same things but
are not.

A simple illustration of this is Jesus and the teachers of the law.
It is obvious that Jesus agreed with Gods law, but not the pharisees approach and lack of
heart. If you do not see this, you will also not see that Jesus has a heart and desires we
possess one as well.

What a lot also miss is sinners are often cynical, because they know their failure and
rejection but are victims without an answer but willing to listen. But this only has significance
if true victory and freedom is provided.