A true Christian is a "follower" of Jesus Christ
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Dear reader, I have a simple model for you.
We are all hearts, if following Jesus, desiring to know the truth and grow in fellowship
with one another and Christ.
So each point matters and is encouraging if it shows us something that helps us on
this quest and ministry.
Now if on the other hand you meet a liar whose intention is to appear innocent but
cast people down, each reality or truth shared is irrelevant to them, they are only
interested in winning converts or destroying the enemy.
Jesus said pearls before swine, but the analogy is the same. As long as you know
where their heart is and the techniques they use, you know where they are coming
from.
We are all hearts, if following Jesus, desiring to know the truth and grow in fellowship
with one another and Christ.
So each point matters and is encouraging if it shows us something that helps us on
this quest and ministry.
Now if on the other hand you meet a liar whose intention is to appear innocent but
cast people down, each reality or truth shared is irrelevant to them, they are only
interested in winning converts or destroying the enemy.
Jesus said pearls before swine, but the analogy is the same. As long as you know
where their heart is and the techniques they use, you know where they are coming
from.
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It has taken ages today to read through this again so I didn't miss stuff, I have added a few more likes and now make an observation. Being human and not yet having attained perfection by "being changed in the twinkling of an eye", having this "mortality put on immortality and this body of corruption put on incorruption". So not having the eternal life within the Kingdom God has prepared and which will be given out when Jesus returns, I view stuff (like this thread) with my human eyes and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
So having got that out the way what do I see in this thread? I see people not agreeing with each other, I see people in both camps, in their humanity having knee jerking reactions to comments on here. There is though a theme, some accuse in anger, some accuse in love and some (both sides) accuse in reaction.
Jesus is love. Jesus did not come to accuse but to love. Now love protects, it does not find fault or look for it, where fault is obvious it/love urges change with love not accusation, it does not hold wrong to memory, but it does protect like a mother bear with it's cubs.
I propose that all read through this thread again, take time to re-read it and see where the love is. Some attack the posters and use inflammatory words against the postee, while some attack the words and ways of thought by useing words of correction.
Even where love is, and it is here, a knee jerk may sound harsh but the Spirit in love curtails the accusation to ultimately bring peace and healing. Where love is not is actually quite obvious. satan will use words full of hate and dripping with vengeance, which will and does prompt knee-jerk words of a defensive nature, but always without accusation toward those who instigated it.
Which by comparison comes no where near the love that should be shown. I am mindful that the fruits of the Spirit are love, long suffering etc. Before re-reading this thread, prayerfully look at these fruits and then go for it. It is an eye opener and makes me feel quite sad.
So having got that out the way what do I see in this thread? I see people not agreeing with each other, I see people in both camps, in their humanity having knee jerking reactions to comments on here. There is though a theme, some accuse in anger, some accuse in love and some (both sides) accuse in reaction.
Jesus is love. Jesus did not come to accuse but to love. Now love protects, it does not find fault or look for it, where fault is obvious it/love urges change with love not accusation, it does not hold wrong to memory, but it does protect like a mother bear with it's cubs.
I propose that all read through this thread again, take time to re-read it and see where the love is. Some attack the posters and use inflammatory words against the postee, while some attack the words and ways of thought by useing words of correction.
Even where love is, and it is here, a knee jerk may sound harsh but the Spirit in love curtails the accusation to ultimately bring peace and healing. Where love is not is actually quite obvious. satan will use words full of hate and dripping with vengeance, which will and does prompt knee-jerk words of a defensive nature, but always without accusation toward those who instigated it.
Which by comparison comes no where near the love that should be shown. I am mindful that the fruits of the Spirit are love, long suffering etc. Before re-reading this thread, prayerfully look at these fruits and then go for it. It is an eye opener and makes me feel quite sad.
Again this is another lie. It is an attempt to say I am self righteous, and hypocritical.
Both of these two positions are a lie.
When I meet the Lord, I hope He will embrace me as His brother, because he bought me
with His precious body and blood, taking on my sin, and forgiving me and bringing me into
eternal life through faith and repentance. Now this is my faith, as a sinner, I have been
forgiven and redeemed by Him and brought into His kingdom.
"You'll be asking for His Mercy and Grace just like the rest of us."
Sounds like you have not received this here today, and have not entered into the kingdom.
If you will be asking for Mercy and Grace on judgement day, it sounds like it will be too late
for you.
Both of these two positions are a lie.
When I meet the Lord, I hope He will embrace me as His brother, because he bought me
with His precious body and blood, taking on my sin, and forgiving me and bringing me into
eternal life through faith and repentance. Now this is my faith, as a sinner, I have been
forgiven and redeemed by Him and brought into His kingdom.
"You'll be asking for His Mercy and Grace just like the rest of us."
Sounds like you have not received this here today, and have not entered into the kingdom.
If you will be asking for Mercy and Grace on judgement day, it sounds like it will be too late
for you.
The other aspect is that we are not ashamed of the gospel of the grace of Christ because in "it" is the power of God for salvation and therefore we boldly declare it.
And as Paul said in Galatians that he didn't give in for even one hour - so that the truth of the gospel would remain with us.
Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
Grandpa - I was responding to your lies and accusation not mine.
I am sorry you cannot cope with the response to your own words. I suggest you
do not try such an attack if you cannot cope with its obvious exposure.
What is demonstrable is your attempt was not apologizing for being lied about, but
saying that exposing lying is somehow being self righteous.
Sin is sin and needs to be repented of. We are to treat each other with truth and
love.
If people do not know what truth is, why are they following Jesus.
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one gets to the Father but by me"
Truth is our morality, it is our cornerstone, it is our heart beat, it is what we live
and die for. It is what it means to walk in the light as He is in the light.
I am sorry you cannot cope with the response to your own words. I suggest you
do not try such an attack if you cannot cope with its obvious exposure.
What is demonstrable is your attempt was not apologizing for being lied about, but
saying that exposing lying is somehow being self righteous.
Sin is sin and needs to be repented of. We are to treat each other with truth and
love.
If people do not know what truth is, why are they following Jesus.
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one gets to the Father but by me"
Truth is our morality, it is our cornerstone, it is our heart beat, it is what we live
and die for. It is what it means to walk in the light as He is in the light.
That is another lie saying that Christians that believe in the grace of God say that we are to continue in sinning and don't change their mind about all sin. It's amazing to me that you can continuously lie and slander what Christians actually say.
Although you have been told over 100x times you still tell lies - what kind of a "spirit" drives this kind of behavior?..
But for the new people I will give out the truth again.
Myth - Hyper-Grace Preachers are Soft on Sin
This is a common one, of course. The idea here is that because of our high esteem of the finished work of Christ and our insistence upon keeping our eyes fixated on Jesus as Author and Finisher of our faith (Heb. 12:2), we are either afraid to preach against sin or do not take sin seriously enough.
Far from being “soft on sin” – we who preach grace are extremely big on Jesus. Any gospel worthy of the hyper-grace label is a gospel which points all fingers toward Jesus rather than judgmentally pointing them at those He came to save.
There are definitely many contexts in which it is appropriate to talk about sin, warn about sin and preach against sin. I do this routinely in my preaching ministry, as do my friends who are also labeled as hyper-grace preachers. Sin is bad. It is ugly. It brings death to everything it touches. It grieves God. It makes us miserable. It comes with a variety of consequences.
No legitimate grace-preacher that I am aware of minimizes the reality that sin is evil, wrong, bad, unproductive and unfitting for a new creation in Christ.
What we DO focus on, however, is the Answer to sin, which is Jesus – and the fact that His grace alone is precisely what delivers us from its penalty (death), its power (enslavement) and eventually even its very presence (when we live in the fullness of His heavenly kingdom one day).
I talk about sin all the time, but not as a means of manipulating, judging or condemning people. I talk about sin so as to help people understand both their daily and eternal need for Jesus as Savior and Lord. We hyper-grace preachers are simply standing with Paul on the promise that it is the grace of God which “teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and to live soberly, righteously and godly in the present age…” (Titus 2:11-13).
Paul taught that the power of sin is the law (1 Cor. 15:56). If a person wants to ensure that they will remain in slavery to life-dominating sin and addiction, one simple way to do that is to live under a law-based mentality. A grace-saturated life, however, frees us from the grip of sin’s mastery over us. Far from being soft on sin, we take sin very seriously. So seriously that we are pointing people unapologetically to the only Source of rescue from it! That Source is not trying harder to be a good person, culturally-espoused self-help tactics or pop-psychology. That Source is Jesus Christ and the grace He alone offers.
Myth - Hyper-Grace Preachers Don’t Believe in Repentance
Not only do we believe in repentance, but we seek to understand and teach it thoroughly and accurately. In the New Testament, “to repent” is a translation of the Greek verb “metanoeo” meaning “to change one’s mind or perspective.”
Obviously, when we receive Christ, we have repented in the genuine sense of the term – changing our minds about our need of a Savior and receiving Christ.
Before Christ, we lived as self-sufficiently as possible, thinking that God would probably grade on a curve and accept us at least partly on the basis of our own best efforts and self-generated goodness.
When we came to understand our spiritual bankruptcy and our desperate need for Christ’s forgiveness and new life, we repented (had a change of perspective) and received Christ by trusting in Him alone to rescue us.
Beyond this initial experience of “getting saved” (as we often call it), repentance is a daily lifestyle in which an ongoing “renewal of the mind” process is taking place within us. As we grow in faith and in our understanding of God through His Word and our union with His Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17), we begin to replace old thinking with new thinking and false thinking with true thinking.
This renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:1-3) is an integral part of the transformative process of the Spirit’s work in our lives. This is the essence of a lifestyle of repentance – taking false thoughts captive, making them obedient to (in conformity with) Christ (2 Cor. 10:5).
Paul affirmed in no uncertain terms that God’s kindness (His expressed grace toward us) is what leads to repentance (Rom. 2:4). Far from being anti-repentance, hyper-grace theology affirms repentance and the ongoing renewal of the mind as an integral part of what it means to follow Jesus under His New Covenant.
Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections
And YES - repenting does include from our way of thinking about all sin - especially the sin of unbelief in the finished work of Christ and resting from our own works . Heb 4
Yes..so true...and they "group" together because one person doesn't think we are repenting of sins ( which is complete nonsense ) or whatever bunch of slanderous lies that are given out that are totally "twisted" to make it "appear" to be saying something else then what was intended.
The Pharisees and Sadducees and the scribes ( Those that were the linguists of the scriptures of their day ) started to work together to get rid of this Jesus guy that was teaching grace and life that was only to be found in Him.
The Pharisees and Sadducees and the scribes ( Those that were the linguists of the scriptures of their day ) started to work together to get rid of this Jesus guy that was teaching grace and life that was only to be found in Him.
As long as you have the mindset of a worker, you have a higher chance of loosing your sight of what's really important. Just like in The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard, Matthew 20:1-16. Workers expected more rewards because their focus was in their work. But the message was simple, it was all grace.
Here is what Joseph Prince and hyper grace followers believe, be not deceived...
The false doctrine goes on and on, but you get the idea. Learn more about the many false teachings of JP here---->>>
Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince
Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince
Some of that is true and other stuff is made up by this self-proclaimed heretic hunter's website. Some of it is being "twisted" to say "something else then what is meant " as usual but we expect that foolishness to happen in their decitfulness.
Some truth of the glorious work of Christ is offensive to the works-based salvationists and thus their need to "twist" what is really being said because of either ignorance in the gospel or unbelief in what Christ has already done.
It is true that Jesus said that He would never leave us nor forsake us but to some people Jesus is really a liar.
there are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic.
There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham. Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin..etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies"
There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.
Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics". "If people don't believe the way that they do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.."
It's the nature of the beast.
Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a false teacher and a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.
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yet once again, Peter needs to take his own medicine, or listen to what he says, and contemplate it himself.
He has no problem attacking others Slandering them, or accusing them falsly. But if someone even appears to do this to him (even if they are not) then Peter comes out swinging instead of trying to understand what is really being said.
He has no problem attacking others Slandering them, or accusing them falsly. But if someone even appears to do this to him (even if they are not) then Peter comes out swinging instead of trying to understand what is really being said.