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Joel Osteen's Night Of Hope 2016 // Street Preachers Rebuke American Gospel
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You don't hold up the Law to a believer to set them free from sin. It has no power to make them righteous, it simply condemns them. The solution is found under grace and through the sanctification of the Holy Spirit. You keep offering morality as a solution to sin. It is not.
Maturity has no need to proclaim itself. It is self-evident.
They are jerks.
The fruit that they bear in no way resembles the following:
4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. (from Phil. 4)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. (from Gal. 5)
And as detailed on their OWN PAGE, they are not bringing people to Christ!
They are simply fancying themselves Old Covenant prophets and not being ambassadors of the Good News of the Work of Christ that the Apostles preached.
The religious rioted, not the sinners. Many believed when presented with the Good News of the Work of Christ! From the Pharisees to the Pagans, the religious persecuted those preaching Christ and Him Crucified, Risen, and Ascended to bring the free gifts of Forgiveness, Righteousness, New Life, and security in a Perfect High Priest.
Because you know us all personally and can judge our lives first hand . . . seriously, PollyAnna. Do even YOU really buy that?
PollyAnna, can you detail for us what is the Good News of the Gospel?
You seem to think that God hates sinners. The Bible tells us that is just not the case. He loves sinners so much that He came in the flesh to take the penalty for our sins - He took the punishment not only for our sins, but for the sins of the world (see 1 Jn. 2)!
It's our job to let people know - to be ambassadors of the reconciliation that God Himself provided - and give them the opportunity to receive the gifts of Forgiveness, Righteousness, and New Life in Christ.
Our job is not to curse the darkness, but to shine His Light in the Darkness!
Our job is not to tell sinners how rotten they are, it's to tell them how wonderful Jesus is, show them His Work, and give them the opportunity to receive Him!
All the men in the video in your OP are doing is yelling at sheep.
Sheep NEVER respond to such treatment.
-JGIG
Edited to add: I see PollyAnna is no longer with us. Oh well. The above needs sayin' anyway!
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LaurenTM
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the most Moral Being to ever walk the face of this earth is Jesus Christ,
may we all have humble, grateful, loving hearts, and the will to walk as He has
shown and taught us to do...
may we all have humble, grateful, loving hearts, and the will to walk as He has
shown and taught us to do...
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weird
that old song 'When the Bullet Hits the Bone' started playing in my head
I can make the connection
she's slipping away...it's not funny
If that's all there is to Christianity, then it is no different from every other major world religion with their gurus or holy men.
The difference is that in Christianity, it's Christ's Spirit indwelling us, making us New Creations in Him! And it's a FREE GIFT. Christianity is not a morality to be achieved, but a gift to be received. Once received, God does His Work in us, and we become, over a lifetime, a reflection of Christ as He produces His Fruit in us.
-JGIG
Well said Ben....morality is NOT a solution to sin. It has the "appearance" of being good and right but it has no real power for change - only the work of Christ can do that in us.
Christ's work on the cross, burial, resurrection and ascension to the right hand of God is the real solution and it is found in the gospel. In the gospel is the righteousness of God revealed - not our own righteousness that we try to generate from our own good works.
We have died with Christ and rose with Him and until we understand what happened to the believer when he received Christ we will continue to substitute Christ for Christianity, substitute the life of Christ for self morality.
It is the life of Christ inside of us which transforms us by the Holy Spirit and we instead we try to substitute Christ Himself for humanistic moral philosophy.
The true Christian life is learning to live from the life of Another which is in us. Christ Himself. This is all done by grace through faith in Christ's finished work - we can trust Him to work out what is in us in Christ now.
Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
When this is popular that they will not want to hear the Bible according to the truth,it goes far beyond what is going on here,and going on now,for this is when the world views it in this fashion,and Christianity rapidly loses it impact on the world,for this is the time of the unified religious system,or possibly real close to it,and all are compatible,and valid,so it is hard to try to convert someone.
Also they want to hear it according to their own lusts,and are turned unto fables,which that lust is the belief of being able to tap in to nature for power,spiritual enlightenment,and these fables are the imaginations of people,not based in reality.
This goes far beyond what is happening on this website,and Joel Osteen,and the prosperity Gospel,and any other little doctrinal difference of those that believe in a personal God,for those are not fables,but reality,although they could be wrong,but they are still reality.Joel Osteen may be a prosperity Gospel preacher,but it is reality,for heaping money to yourself,neglecting the poor,prosperity of material things,and money,and such things,is reality,and not a fable.
Fables are the imaginations of people,not based on a reality observation,of wrong doing in these scriptures,and people interpreting the Bible to exalt people,by the power of nature.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
The occult,nature worship,witchcraft,and evolution,that exalts people,and diminishes God.
Which I bring this up,because if you are going to bring up scriptures to use against people to show they are wrong,in error,at least understand what the scriptures are actually meaning.
For those scriptures do not apply on this website,or for prosperity preachers,not even Joseph Smith applies that people do not like,for they go far beyond the little doctrinal differences we have of people that believe in a personal God,and Jesus is Lord,to an interpretation of the Bible that is fable,the imaginations of people,not based on reality,but exalting people,by the power of nature,and that is where they shall only want to hear according to their own lusts,which they want personal power.
Our little differences do not even compare to the terribleness of when this shall occur,when the world will not accept the truth of the Bible,which the Christians will rapidly lose their impact of making converts,for they only want to hear it by the power of nature,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but an ascended Master,and Avatar,and they can have the Christ conscience come on them too.
I do not think we are believing,and doing all that up in here.Anybody that believes in a personal God,and Jesus is Lord and Savior,if they do have error,and doctrine that is off,does not fit this mold,for these people do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior,but it is all about the flesh,and the exaltation of it,by nature.
To throw a fireball upside your head,send a wave of water to tear down your house,or perhaps wind,like the big bad wolf,to send a lightening bolt to strike you down,and such,for that is what these people want,as unreal as it sounds,and how can people actually believe that.
Like I said I do not think we are believing,and doing all that up in here.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
When this is popular that they will not want to hear the Bible according to the truth,it goes far beyond what is going on here,and going on now,for this is when the world views it in this fashion,and Christianity rapidly loses it impact on the world,for this is the time of the unified religious system,or possibly real close to it,and all are compatible,and valid,so it is hard to try to convert someone.
Also they want to hear it according to their own lusts,and are turned unto fables,which that lust is the belief of being able to tap in to nature for power,spiritual enlightenment,and these fables are the imaginations of people,not based in reality.
This goes far beyond what is happening on this website,and Joel Osteen,and the prosperity Gospel,and any other little doctrinal difference of those that believe in a personal God,for those are not fables,but reality,although they could be wrong,but they are still reality.Joel Osteen may be a prosperity Gospel preacher,but it is reality,for heaping money to yourself,neglecting the poor,prosperity of material things,and money,and such things,is reality,and not a fable.
Fables are the imaginations of people,not based on a reality observation,of wrong doing in these scriptures,and people interpreting the Bible to exalt people,by the power of nature.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
The occult,nature worship,witchcraft,and evolution,that exalts people,and diminishes God.
Which I bring this up,because if you are going to bring up scriptures to use against people to show they are wrong,in error,at least understand what the scriptures are actually meaning.
For those scriptures do not apply on this website,or for prosperity preachers,not even Joseph Smith applies that people do not like,for they go far beyond the little doctrinal differences we have of people that believe in a personal God,and Jesus is Lord,to an interpretation of the Bible that is fable,the imaginations of people,not based on reality,but exalting people,by the power of nature,and that is where they shall only want to hear according to their own lusts,which they want personal power.
Our little differences do not even compare to the terribleness of when this shall occur,when the world will not accept the truth of the Bible,which the Christians will rapidly lose their impact of making converts,for they only want to hear it by the power of nature,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but an ascended Master,and Avatar,and they can have the Christ conscience come on them too.
I do not think we are believing,and doing all that up in here.Anybody that believes in a personal God,and Jesus is Lord and Savior,if they do have error,and doctrine that is off,does not fit this mold,for these people do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior,but it is all about the flesh,and the exaltation of it,by nature.
To throw a fireball upside your head,send a wave of water to tear down your house,or perhaps wind,like the big bad wolf,to send a lightening bolt to strike you down,and such,for that is what these people want,as unreal as it sounds,and how can people actually believe that.
Like I said I do not think we are believing,and doing all that up in here.
Ah, the fourth Doctor! I looked him up - a familiar face.
I must confess, I'm a 'new series' Doctor fan. My kids got me hooked. Netflix carried some of the old series for a while, but lost the contract to Amazon, and they don't carry any of the old series.
Daleks come in several colors in the new series
.Enough about that - we're off topic, ha!
Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG
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Guess I'll have to YouTube him to see how he compares with my favorite, Tennent =)!
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eph610
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off topic for sure folks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvuvljREPlI
then there is that awesome sound of the Tardis taking off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1A6KES0CyA
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ladylynn
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and everyone will do act III instead of leaving the curtain down
and wonder how she can be so mean...just like all this never happened.....
Don't let her back in until she goes to anger management!!!!!!!
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LaurenTM
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I won't even pack a suitcase
I'm ready for time exploration right now
well maybe some of those chocolate covered sea salt caramels...I forgot how much I like those until someone mentionned them in the alcohol thread
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LaurenTM
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maybe some of these?
I can sample them first to make make sure they are good enough
joking aside, somebody needs help
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