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There is a problem when people say it is a sin to drink, or that Jesus never drank. Even saying it is a sin to drink too much occasionally... Jesus provided vats of wine at a party after everyone had already had too much to drink. If it were a sin to drink too much, would Jesus encourage it even more?
I had said my thoughts on the op pages ago. That there's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol in moderation. I asked for your thoughts and what it was you were implying in the first post I responded to you. If you don't want to say, that's fine. But this is the third time I asked, and it'll either be the charm or I'm striking out.
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Deut 14~~24“If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you, 25then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.26“You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.
A drink occasionally is fine and good for the soul.
Dehydration as you get older definately means more than a few glasses is to be avoided.
If drink is part of your life, you are in a bad place, and it will damage your body.
The fermentation of drinks was part of how we survived in Europe as bugs do not survive
alcohol, so unfortunately though it is a poison, it has saved our ancestors lives.
So like most things in life, it is about control and appropriateness rather than good or bad.
If on the other hand alcoholic addiction wrecked your family I understand how abstinance
is part of following the Lord.
Dehydration as you get older definately means more than a few glasses is to be avoided.
If drink is part of your life, you are in a bad place, and it will damage your body.
The fermentation of drinks was part of how we survived in Europe as bugs do not survive
alcohol, so unfortunately though it is a poison, it has saved our ancestors lives.
So like most things in life, it is about control and appropriateness rather than good or bad.
If on the other hand alcoholic addiction wrecked your family I understand how abstinance
is part of following the Lord.
I know. But you did not really answer my question. Is it a sin? Would Jesus encourage sin? Even just drinking, people have condemned as if it were a sin, and yet, Jesus drank. Have you read my posts throughout the thread? I stand on the side of abstinence after decades of alcoholism. So, yeah, I know the dangers first hand, but I do not advocate abstinence for everyone. Not everyone has a problem with alcohol. If drinking too much were a sin, would Jesus have made, what was it? Six huge vats of it to supply guests at a wedding who had already had too much to drink? That is what Scripture tells us. That is not to say those people drank all the time, either. In reality we know next to nothing else of all those people at the wedding feast, except that it was His mother who requested He do something when the wine ran out.
That is rather akin to saying we must never handle money since the love of it is the root of all kinds of evil. People distort even that, saying that money is the root of all evil. Not the love of it. Not the root of all sorts of evil, meaning many kinds, not every single one. See the distortions? I see them frequently.
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quoting scripture without understanding it...or misinterpreting it causes a loss of judgement AND truth
scripture is plain as it can be...it's not some high wire act with folks falling on one side or the other
the issue is saying it is always wrong or always not ok...I got what you said...read it, understood it, remember it
but folks are saying it is a sin to have ANY
look at what Magenta is saying...does she sound like someone who does not get the issue...?
And how does it take control over one's life? It happens by abusing. The Bible says to be aware of all things and conscience of all things. When you are drunk, you lose sense of judgment. That is a line crossed. By the Bible's definition, that would be a sin. I can see this is going nowhere. So I might as well just stop. Three strikes, I'm out. By the way, I had said in the beginning that drinking itself isn't a problem. But I see you don't want to take the time to go through earlier in the pages. Yet you wanted me to see what it was you said earlier. Think this is a good time for me to check out now.
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The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.
Matt 11:19
The pharisees did not like Jesus. He obviously drank alcohol with sinners which annoyed them
which is why they called him a glutton and a drunkard.
There is simply no contradiction here.
Matt 11:19
The pharisees did not like Jesus. He obviously drank alcohol with sinners which annoyed them
which is why they called him a glutton and a drunkard.
There is simply no contradiction here.