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Magenta

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If you wanna know what a sin is....anxiety is a sin, depression is a sin. A man who says, I'm bob and I'm an alcoholic and I can never drink again is missing the opportunity to discover what makes him medicate himself in the first place. I used to be that guy. Went thru treatment for it when I was 15. I don't need to self medicate anymore....and I can have one and be done...and do that occasionally. But if someone else cannot, I respect that. I'm not you and you're not me. I've been lucky to have some really great people to help me peel back the onion to the core of why I used to hurt so bad.
How does identifying as an alcoholic cause one to miss the opportunity to discover what precipitated the self-medicating in the first place? The 12 steps are very much about entering in to a process of continual self discovery.
 

jsr1221

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If you wanna know what a sin is....anxiety is a sin, depression is a sin. A man who says, I'm bob and I'm an alcoholic and I can never drink again is missing the opportunity to discover what makes him medicate himself in the first place. I used to be that guy. Went thru treatment for it when I was 15. I don't need to self medicate anymore....and I can have one and be done...and do that occasionally. But if someone else cannot, I respect that. I'm not you and you're not me. I've been lucky to have some really great people to help me peel back the onion to the core of why I used to hurt so bad.
Depression and anxiety are mental illnesses. Mental illness isn't a sin. Anxiety is more than just worrying. And depression is more than just feeling sad. There's plenty of information out there that you can look into (if you want).
 
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Depression and anxiety are mental illnesses. Anxiety is more than just worrying. And depression is more than just feeling sad.
They are a choice. I know because after a lifetime of making that choice I finally decided to make a different one and my old friends anxiety and depression no longer take up residence in me.
 
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eph610

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Depression and anxiety are mental illnesses. Mental illness isn't a sin. Anxiety is more than just worrying. And depression is more than just feeling sad. There's plenty of information out there that you can look into (if you want).
The Bible says do not be anxious for anything....Are you seeing the Wisdom sirk is giving you?
 
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How does identifying as an alcoholic cause one to miss the opportunity to discover what precipitated the self-medicating in the first place? The 12 steps are very much about entering in to a process of continual self discovery.
For me, I don't identify with a negative external notion of who or what I am.
 
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Gr8grace

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You say over drinking is a thing but here say drinking too much is not a sin. How is that not contradictory?
In the bible getting drunk is called excess or dissipation.....wasteful.

Eph 5:18~~New American Standard Bible
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

King James Bible
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Original Word: ἀσωτία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: asótia
Phonetic Spelling: (as-o-tee'-ah)
Short Definition: wantonness, profligacy
Definition: wantonness, profligacy, wastefulness.

Rom 5:12~~New American Standard Bible
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

Original Word: ἁμαρτία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
Short Definition: a sin
Definition: prop: missing the mark; hence: (a) guilt, sin, (b) a fault, failure (in an ethical sense), sinful deed.

 

jsr1221

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The Bible says do not be anxious for anything....Are you seeing the Wisdom sirk is giving you?
Anxiety is much more than feeling anxious. Read the dsm for more info.
 
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Anxiety is much more than feeling anxious. Read the dsm for more info.
Anxiety is the fear of something that hasn't happened yet. It is the opposite of faith.
 

jsr1221

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They are a choice. I know because after a lifetime of making that choice I finally decided to make a different one and my old friends anxiety and depression no longer take up residence in me.
A person doesn't choose to have a chemical imbalance in their brain. It's one thing to not know but it's another to simply dismiss chemical imbalances. Don't be the latter.
 
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eph610

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man I hate that word. It seems to have lost its power and sounds so religious. But ya, I sure can be from time To time.
No Sir you are not...you have passed from death into life, you are not a sinner saved by grace...it is impossible...you are one or the other....

Psalm 1 shows us this in perfect poetry....
 

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Anxiety is the fear of something that hasn't happened yet. It is the opposite of faith.
It's more to it than just that. The information is out there. I can't choose what you do with it. Having said that, this isn't going to go anywhere. So I'm gonna stop. Ok?
 
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A person doesn't choose to have a chemical imbalance in their brain. It's one thing to not know but it's another to simply dismiss chemical imbalances. Don't be the latter.
i am very familiar with a chemical imbalance. I chose to renew my mind. The mind is a garden and joy and suffering are its fruits.
 
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eph610

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i am very familiar with a chemical imbalance. I chose to renew my mind. The mind is a garden and joy and suffering are its fruits.
and soemtimes its processing a tennis ball headed for your head at Mach 6 :cool:
 
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It's more to it than just that. The information is out there. I can't choose what you do with it. Having said that, this isn't going to go anywhere. So I'm gonna stop. Ok?
It is a tough pit to climb out of. I get it. But if I can do it so can you. I'm nothing special in that regard. I'm just extremely blessed I guess.
 

Magenta

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man I hate that word. It seems to have lost its power and sounds so religious. But ya, I sure can be from time To time.
Good :D Because only sinners are saved :) Identifying as an alcoholic is very similar. We are powerless over the human condition and in need of a Saviour. I know people come down against identifying as such for one reason or another, such as you said, it being a negative external notion... but, it is not external at all. It is an inside job all the way. You may have overcome your tendency to self medicate quite young and very quickly because it seems you nipped it in the bud right away. Please excuse me if I am getting anything wrong or assuming something here. :eek: Much respect to you for being able to do so.

I don't necessarily have to identify as an alcoholic either, but it is a choice I make so others can identify with me through their own process of recovery. I could simply say I am powerless over alcohol, and certainly if I put it in my body, I cannot stop whatever effect it is going to have on my central nervous system, for instance. But it is just far more expedient for me to continue to identify as this or that (alcoholic, addict) when I am going to meetings to stay connected to the process of helping myself while also hopefully helping others, even when I have recovered from the helpless and hopeless state of mind I was in while I was a practicing this or that. Now I am a recovered alcoholic/addict. :)

We carry the message to the addict and alcoholic who still suffers.
 
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I think the thing that really helped me see it all so clearly is watching and participating in the "wiring" of my sons brain. Jesus does that for us too. We just have to be willing to help him help us.
 

jsr1221

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It is a tough pit to climb out of. I get it. But if I can do it so can you. I'm nothing special in that regard. I'm just extremely blessed I guess.
Each person and situation is different, though. In regards to addiction, not one aspect (biological, psychological, social, or spiritual) isn't the case for everyone. It's the same way for depression and anxiety. Some are worse than others. That's why there are different levels. Cognitive behavior therapy (which you just described) is just one avenue on treating it. Like I said to someone else. There's information out there, but I can't force you to read it. And with that, I'm not going to respond, because I know you're going to stick with the mental illness is a sin opinion. So in reality, I'm just wasting my time. So I won't continue.
 
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kaylagrl

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You kept saying the OP was about Christians when it was not. So, yeah.

OP "We learn from the Bible that it is okay to drink a little alcohol, but not okay to drink a lot. Where do you draw the line?"

Later the OP says he does not drink.Im assuming he is a Christian by all his posts. "WE"is assuming Christians since unsaved dont read the Bible to dictate their lifestyle. Where do YOU, since the OP is a Christian he's asking Christians "where do YOU draw the line". OP can tell me if I missed anything in his first post.