Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

How do you support the trinity by suggesting that there are two GODS to be worshipped?
This is why I asked you if there are two HOLY SPIRITS then?

What I have bolded and what you have written causes confusion to those who know there is only ONE GOD and it is by and through THE SON who came into the world from the FATHER and opened the WAY back to the FATHER that we have access to THE FATHER....

BY ONE SPIRIT.

not two...

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

Jesus, theologically and emotionally is not a part of GOD but is the visible image of THE FATHER so that we who can not see what is invisible and could not visibly see THE SPIRIT can now because of HIM who came from the FATHER to show us THE FATHER have and can see THE FATHER...

Are you understanding?>

PeterJens · Sep 21, 2016

miknik5 said:

Can you quote which verses you are referring to please?

I suspect that though we think when we see Jesus all will be obvious or apparent, this
suggests otherwise.

I suspect what we live in and its limits and choices are not as certain and obvious as
we like to think. Take the grey area of what is rebellion and what is pause, understanding
and obedience? One could suspect the possibility of sin exists throughout eternity.
The Lords nature and love itself talks of shared ownership of all actions and its impacts.

It is also why we are so unsuited to the Kingdom and so easily have strops. Not a good idea
with a Holy, eternal, perfect being, like the Lord. Even a humble man like Moses mucked up
so badly he could not enter into Israel.

prove-all · Sep 21, 2016

miknik5 said:

well the bible says Christ was [dead] and buried,
and God raised Him from the grave. do you believe this?

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

would not this prove they are seperate beings?
did both die? or they both never died?

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

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Acts 13:30
But God raised him from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead,
and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1 Corinthians 6:14
And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

Acts 3:15
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

bluto · Sep 21, 2016

Quasar92 said:

So quasar, is that how it is? I told you I went to Biola College for three years and just because I did not graduate does not mean I'm some sort of ignorant layman that didn't get a little "certificate" like you? But do you really want to know what is unnerving to me? The idea that "pride" in your so-called eduacation makes your right and everybody else wrong.

I doubt very much you've never read Acts 4:13, "Now as they observed the confidence of Peter and John, and understood THEY WERE UNEDUCATED AND UNTRAINED MEN, they were marveling, and began to recognize them AS HAVING BEEN WITH JESUS." Or how about 1 Timothy 4:12, "Let no one look down on your youthfulness, but rather in speech, conduct, love, faith and purity, show yourself an example oof those who believe."

Here again, you quasar are looking down on people just because your older, which btw does not mean your wiser or Biblically smarter than anyone else. Finally, are you aware of what the Jews said about Jesus? "The Jews therefore were marveling, saying, "How has this man BECOME LEARNED, HAVING NEVER BEEN EDUCATED?" (John 7:15)

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

prove-all said:

Of course I do...
Did the SPIRIT die?
Where did the SPIRIT go when the fleshly vessel of CHRIST's body lay lifeless?

Whose SPIRIT was in CHRIST's body...pre and post crucified, sir?

That is the question that seems to be causing all the confusion.
Because if CHRIST came to show THE FATHER and is the visible image of the invisible GOD and had the SPIRIT in full measure, by whose SPIRIT did the mass of flesh which was the vessel for THE SPIRIT move?

Are you suggesting CHRIST had a separate spirit from THE FATHER?

CHRIST also said, I willingly lay down the flesh and take it up again.

So, by THE SPIRIT, the lifeless mass of flesh of CHRIST's post crucified body was resurrected...never to die again...

Whose SPIRIT:

GOD's or CHRIST...if they are separate>

But they're not.

PeterJens · Sep 21, 2016

miknik5 said:

Maybe you are right. But Jesus was not the Father. He did not have knowledge of the time
of the End or who would sit on the positions of power, only the Father did.
So Jesus denied your proposition by His own words.

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

PeterJens said:

hmmmm....
And yet HE told HIS DISCIPLES the signs they should look to.

JESUS also said, I have much more to say in judgment of you but GOD is reliable.
That was because HE only said what the FATHER directed HIM to say...by THE SPIRIT...

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

HE knows.
HE's just not telling us...

Do you understand?

There are things which will be kept hidden from us because they are not meant for us to know.
Can't you understand that when HE said, HE will take from ME and give to you.

ALL THAT IS THE FATHER'S IS MINE...this is why I say I will take from what is MINE and give to you...

PeterJens · Sep 21, 2016

bluto said:

When anyone steps aside from an argument and just says I know more than you, you
know they are wrong and have accepted defeat.

Education is there to give ammunition to an argument so you can introduce the appropriate
facts and observations. If it results in not being able to produce them, the education has
failed. You know how to respect people, when they win the argument and show you why
because of the depth of exposure to ideas and facts.

I came across this claiming authority by rank in muslim cultures where it has rotted their
whole social structure. Jesus came to make a mockery of these ideas.

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

PeterJens said:

Hmmm....

Credentials?

Really?

What were Peter's credentials?

Was he a "gameliel"?
Was he a "caiphas"?
Was he a "pilate"?

Nope.

He was a fisherman...
And he knew more than those who professed themselves based on their visible credentials...

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

And a child shall lead them...

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

And Paul?

He was a "gamelial"
He was a "caiphus"
He was a "pilate".

And he became a fisherman!
And what did he do with all the things that he thought he knew?

He threw them away as dung and desired to know only ONE THING...

SUFFICIENT...

PeterJens · Sep 21, 2016

miknik5 said:

Do you understand some things cannot be described using words, you need to experience them?
Words attempt to objectify ideas, but if things are unique, they will always just be a shadow.

It obviously matters to you deeply, as if by accepting the idea you hold to, something will change.
But Jesus says dwelling in Him is obtained by obeying His commands and dwelling with His word.

Now that is enough for me, my friend. It is through the Holy Spirit in our hearts that truly
teaches us. Are you one with God? Or is this beyond you?

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

PeterJens said:

LOL...you have NO IDEA what I have experienced...

And that also is junk...

That is a lower carnal sensual self sir and an immature faith based on how I feel or don't feel...what I experience or don't experience.

MY HOUSE IS AT REST

I have learned to be content in all things, sir...
I may not be happy where my feet are taking me
I may feel that the road ahead will be rough.

But I have to trust in the ONE whom I keep my eyes on...that HE is faithful and what I don't know, HE does...

That sir, is FAITH...mature, steadfast faith directed in and on HIM and HIM ALONE

You didn't like that I seem detached to you?
Because?

Why?

I am not showing you some visible sign of "love"?

You don't understand the WORK OF GOD...

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

It is enough for me "friend"...

Trust in HIM with all your heart and lean NOT on your own understanding...
In all your ways acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct your steps.

For it is not even in a "strong man" to direct his own steps...

I have come to this only:

Whatever is lovely, think on that...and the peace of GOD which surpasses ALL UNDERSTANDING will guard our hearts and our minds IN, IN, IN

CHRIST JESUS...

PeterJens · Sep 21, 2016

miknik5 said:

My friend I am arguing credentials are not important the argument is.
Did you read what I actually wrote? I realise it partially could be read the wrong way.
Sounds rather like a lot of things people easily do, lol. It is why we need forgiveness,
humbleness, and Gods love.

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

PeterJens said:

How much education does a fisherman get?

I suggest you go back and read what you wrote yourself.

PeterJens · Sep 21, 2016

miknik5 said:

miknik5 - If this was a face to face conversation, I would walk away thinking you
had some serious social issues.

mam - listen to this verse from the word of God,

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1 Peter 1:22

You seem to claim greater spiritual authority, insight, fellowship with God
himself than me. Well Praise the Lord if this is true.

But do you love me from the heart?

So many claim status like yourself, but fail to understand from the depths
of your soul to the surface of your life you are called to love and be truthful.

I understand the Work of God, and you are not testifying to it, but some kind of
delusion, that isolates you in this strange language you keep using.

Almost no one talks like you do, and those that do have serious psychological
issues. So if you want some integrity and honesty, you need to start being
honest with yourself and your history.

And you might not realise your very words and way of expression give you away.
I do not need to know very much about you to know much about who you are.

miknik5 · Sep 21, 2016

PeterJens said:

miknik5 - If this was a face to face conversation, I would walk away thinking you
had some serious social issues.

mam - listen to this verse from the word of God,

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1 Peter 1:22

You seem to claim greater spiritual authority, insight, fellowship with God
himself than me. Well Praise the Lord if this is true.

But do you love me from the heart?

So many claim status like yourself, but fail to understand from the depths
of your soul to the surface of your life you are called to love and be truthful.

I understand the Work of God, and you are testifying to it, but some kind of
delusion, that isolates you in this strange language you keep using.

Almost no one talks like you do, and those that do have serious psychological
issues. So if you want some integrity and honesty, you need to start being
honest with yourself and your history.

And you might not realise your very words and way of expression give you away.
I do not need to know very much about you to know much about who you are.

and if I was face to face with you I wouldn't talk but would stumble over my words

and yet you know me and tell me who I am

Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?

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