The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda
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no I was asking what Gr8grace meant by that.
Gr8grace:
"The flood doesn't answer satan's fall. The GAP does though. I Honestly don't believe we can use the GAP idea to test science or even agree with science. We simple do not know the time frame. It could have been 1 year or a trillion years before God restored the earth."
BeyondET:
"Whatcha mean about God restored the earth are you referring to after the flood?"
Sounds like you're wanting to play games with me. You asked Gr8grace what he meant about that restoration idea, I answered it. So what's your darn problem!?
E
Now you mention the next restoration. And it will be as it was.
This is what God did for mankind after satans fall and judgement. The Idea of death was in mankinds creation because satan had already fallen before He created mankind.
And I agree with you, the restored earth for mankind didn't experience any plant death, physical death until Jesus Christ made 'coverings' for Adam and Eve.
I agree. And those 2 deaths spoken to Adam is his spiritual death the moment he disobeyed and the second death was his physical death. Satan introduced spiritual death. Adam introduced physical death.
I believe plant life and animal life was restored to its original position. Upon Adams sin, they were cursed.
This is what God did for mankind after satans fall and judgement. The Idea of death was in mankinds creation because satan had already fallen before He created mankind.
And I agree with you, the restored earth for mankind didn't experience any plant death, physical death until Jesus Christ made 'coverings' for Adam and Eve.
I agree. And those 2 deaths spoken to Adam is his spiritual death the moment he disobeyed and the second death was his physical death. Satan introduced spiritual death. Adam introduced physical death.
I believe plant life and animal life was restored to its original position. Upon Adams sin, they were cursed.
why did mans longevity change? The reason it changed also changed things for all life on earth..
This is not true, Most of the water from Noahs day came when the fountains of the great deep were broken up.. We know there are subteranian waters far below the earth, in fact, in recent years, we see that they are much deeper than science thought possible
There is not enough water in the sky to flood the earth.. and cover even the smallest mountains, let alone be 15 cubits above the tallest mountain.
There is not enough water in the sky to flood the earth.. and cover even the smallest mountains, let alone be 15 cubits above the tallest mountain.
Gen 7:4
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
KJV
So my point on that was... with the Gen.1:2-9 events, all... waters were upon the whole earth covering it, no sky yet at Gen.1:2.
E
That idea is completely... false.
The Gap idea does not propagate processes rooted in man's theory of evolution. It's actually just the opposite, because there's a time gap in the fossil record which geologists know about that evolutionists don't like to discuss much.
The Gap idea does not propagate processes rooted in man's theory of evolution. It's actually just the opposite, because there's a time gap in the fossil record which geologists know about that evolutionists don't like to discuss much.
There is no time GAP.. Science has prety much proven that the fossil record was made in the time period of a year during the great flood.
E
The waters came from both... places. It literally rained continuously for 40 days and 40 nights, don't you remember?
Gen 7:4
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
KJV
So my point on that was... with the Gen.1:2-9 events, all... waters were upon the whole earth covering it, no sky yet at Gen.1:2.
Gen 7:4
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
KJV
So my point on that was... with the Gen.1:2-9 events, all... waters were upon the whole earth covering it, no sky yet at Gen.1:2.
of course there was no sky in Gen 1: 2, it is the beginning of creation the sky had yet to be created. It was created on day 2.
E
There's actually many gaps in the fossil record, with groups of species. But the ancient 65 million year ago gap shows a sudden end to species of the dinosaur age, then nothing suggesting some catastrophic event upon the earth, and then new life created out of nowhere, showing evolution theory is false.
You would be wise to learn something about the theory you hold to and study up on Thomas Chalmers and others that propagated the theory. They were Theistic Evolutionists and Scientists and Preachers that created a theory to give to the church to defend the church against Darwin and his theory....It speaks volumes that you preach a theory and have zero clue about those that originated and propagated the Theory and why they did it and came up with it.
um no there are no gaps. There is order in the fossil record. And the sudden end to the creation of fossils is the end of the flood. The fossil record is the recod of events which happened during the start of the catastrophic flood until it ended..
E
There's no Biblical proof of that idea. God didn't change His creation then just because He shortened the life of man. Lot of speculation been going on about the earth being in a different state prior to the flood of Noah's day, ideas that try to explain how the earth in a different state was responsible for man's longevity prior to the flood, (i.e., fresher air, a complete covering around the earth, etc.). It's all speculation though.
All of GAP is a trap...
E
That's only your opinion of where the Gap originated, something I don't put any trust in, because the Gap idea is not about evolution theory at all! It is AGAINST man's theory of evolution, and because you say it's aligned to it I know you are pushing 'propaganda'. So it is you who needs to study your Bible more thoroughly as to what It teaches, but I doubt you will on this matter, because you've allowed a group of men to think for you.
B
Here was both of yal's conversation:
Gr8grace:
"The flood doesn't answer satan's fall. The GAP does though. I Honestly don't believe we can use the GAP idea to test science or even agree with science. We simple do not know the time frame. It could have been 1 year or a trillion years before God restored the earth."
BeyondET:
"Whatcha mean about God restored the earth are you referring to after the flood?"
Sounds like you're wanting to play games with me. You asked Gr8grace what he meant about that restoration idea, I answered it. So what's your darn problem!?
Gr8grace:
"The flood doesn't answer satan's fall. The GAP does though. I Honestly don't believe we can use the GAP idea to test science or even agree with science. We simple do not know the time frame. It could have been 1 year or a trillion years before God restored the earth."
BeyondET:
"Whatcha mean about God restored the earth are you referring to after the flood?"
Sounds like you're wanting to play games with me. You asked Gr8grace what he meant about that restoration idea, I answered it. So what's your darn problem!?
E
Um, yes there are. And there's a major gap scientists hypothesize was 65 million years ago when some catastrophic event made the age of dinosaurs extinct. And then later above that are newer fossils that spring up suddenly, showing another creation period.
ps. there are dino's in the bible David mentioned them, There were dinos on the ark.. They could not survive in the post flood world. thus (as do all animals who live in a system which does not support it..
ps.. those are mostly secular scientist you are listening to. so please. They can not even prove the earth was around 65 million years ago.. There science of dating is completely flawed.. No one knows.. so these are the men and science you are basing your belief on..
E
ps.. those are mostly secular scientist you are listening to. so please. They can not even prove the earth was around 65 million years ago.. There science of dating is completely flawed.. No one knows.. so these are the men and science you are basing your belief on..
T
Since you folks enjoy analyzing theory's on creation, here's a new one for you.
Moses was the author of the book of Genesis. God inspired him to write it. Each day is not the period of time that it took for activity to happen. It is the length of time that it took for God to show Moses the activity that happened. Remember that Moses, many years after the creation, wrote the first five books to a group of people who only understood time as cycles of the moon and sun. Most only understood time as the cycle of the sun. It makes perfect sense that the people accepted Moses's words as day by day, even though he was describing distinct periods of time.
Moses was the author of the book of Genesis. God inspired him to write it. Each day is not the period of time that it took for activity to happen. It is the length of time that it took for God to show Moses the activity that happened. Remember that Moses, many years after the creation, wrote the first five books to a group of people who only understood time as cycles of the moon and sun. Most only understood time as the cycle of the sun. It makes perfect sense that the people accepted Moses's words as day by day, even though he was describing distinct periods of time.
G
That's only your opinion of where the Gap originated, something I don't put any trust in, because the Gap idea is not about evolution theory at all! It is AGAINST man's theory of evolution, and because you say it's aligned to it I know you are pushing 'propaganda'. So it is you who needs to study your Bible more thoroughly as to what It teaches, but I doubt you will on this matter, because you've allowed a group of men to think for you.
Chalmers I have looked into a little since he was brought up. It seems, even Chalmers built his idea from previous teachers.
Its interesting that nobody brings up St. Gregory in this discussion..........329-391.