Romans 8:1-2, is conditional

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PeterJens said:
When a preacher stands up to share, he by faith is speaking from the Lord.
When a christian shares their testimony they are sharing the word of the Lord in their lives.
We are in the Kingdom. We are Gods ambassadors.

And again you talk about false teaching, but are not specifying it.
That is just slander and lying. You can correct me about real things, but not your
interpretation of scripture, or a doctrine of man created from the word.

This is how we distinguish truth from falsehood.
And if you do not claim to speak for the Lord, then you only speak for yourself that means
nothing. But as long as you agree you are only expressing you own ideas, I will stick with
the Lords word.
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Do you then speak for THE LORD?
 
I find it illuminating, I have expounded my position here, but the reply is
just slander. Is this all they can bring? Is this the best their foundation
has to offer?

It is like when I listed their theology, they did not deny it or correct me.
When I showed the problems with it, they just attacked me on different issues.

These are a blind people who have no real concerns with real spirituality but
compromising the word of the Lord to appease their own dispositions.

This is a very hard thing to say, but there is nothing else to conclude.

The Kingdom stands and falls on the principle of love and righteousness.
It is where God has placed His marker in Christ. If you follow Jesus then
you should also agree with this, it is where the Kingdom is. It has always
been so.

The gifts, grace, redemption, sanctification all lead from and to this place.
It is like a river that flows from eternity to eternity. Yet many are deceived
their hearts weaving a different story with a different agenda of treasures in
this world and recognition not from the Lord. It has always been so, and so
is today.
 
PeterJens said:
Hello my friend. You have just fallen for the biggest lie of all.

We are all speaking from the Lord as the Lords people. Did you not realise
the Kingdom you are claiming to be part of, or have you just disowned your
Lord and Saviour?
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You claim to speak from THE LORD than all that you say is true and truth
 
miknik5 said:
What is your brother or sister sin?
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Their sin is to condemn those who love Jesus as evil, double minded, liars, hypocrites,
legalists, enemies of the gospel, full of malice and hate and sometimes, with no knowledge
of Christ and the cross.

It is very odd, because they believe 99% of the same things, yet a few issues turn us into
satans spawn. It is like a red mist descends on their souls, and the words of love and
encouragement, fellowship in Christ become hypocracy hiding terrible evil which is just not
there.

And their preachers pour out this condemnation day and night, and they do whenever I appear
or believers like me. I have found it odd coming from the spiritual background I do, to have
such emnity and words thrown, like double minded etc. If I did not understand the bile this
comes from I would be very hurt and upset. But that is what it is. It is not I who have moved
but it is they, and go redefining the faith into something else.
 
miknik5 said:
When did this happen Peter?
that you began to speak from THE LORD?
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When I quote scripture. Do you not realise when you quote scripture you are speaking
from the Lord? Unless ofcourse you are not following Christ and using the word against
the Kingdom, but even then often the word is still the word of the Lord.
 
miknik5 said:
You claim to speak from THE LORD than all that you say is true and truth
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This is where we have to be careful. On issues that are plain and simple in
scripture, they are very much issues from the Lord. But there are many things
I do not know the Lords position on, and would not like to say where I am in this.

But this has always been the dilemma of Gods people. We always know in part.
 
Do you speak from THE LORD? Who has revealed to you another's sin sir?
what is it? Have you told the one who has sinned their sin? Have you called in additional witnesses to confirm that what you have said regarding another's sin is true and truth?
 
PeterJens said:
It is like when I listed their theology, they did not deny it or correct me.
When I showed the problems with it, they just attacked me on different issues.
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I would be happy to discuss this with you, and have tried many times. And so have many others.

Honestly Peter? You won't carry out one lucid thought and stick to one point. And lots of us have been here long enough to know why you won't. It's a tactic that works very well to try to confuse and overwhelm others with to much information.
 
Gr8grace said:
I would be happy to discuss this with you, and have tried many times. And so have many others.

Honestly Peter? You won't carry out one lucid thought and stick to one point. And lots of us have been here long enough to know why you won't. It's a tactic that works very well to try to confuse and overwhelm others with to much information.
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the funny thing is (and we have done this before) We have not only shown him his error in his idea of what we believe, We have over and over went back and brought it back to view so he can see it again.

Yet he continues to deny it.


 
PeterJens said:
Hello my friend. You have just fallen for the biggest lie of all.

We are all speaking from the Lord as the Lords people. Did you not realise
the Kingdom you are claiming to be part of, or have you just disowned your
Lord and Saviour?
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Did you or did you not say that you are a voice calling out from THE LORD?

we all know that if we are a voice calling out from TJE LORD then what we say from the LORD should be true and truth. If it isn't we shouldn't be calling out anything
 
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If you are a voice calling out from THE LORD you need to change your tag line for you contradict yourself
 
Gr8grace said:
I would be happy to discuss this with you, and have tried many times. And so have many others.

Honestly Peter? You won't carry out one lucid thought and stick to one point. And lots of us have been here long enough to know why you won't. It's a tactic that works very well to try to confuse and overwhelm others with to much information.
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I am sorry this is simply not true.
I remember JGIG produced a long list of answers to a HG type church.

After going through it in detail I realised it was just a rehash of the basic belief
system. So unless you can actually deal with facts it is just slander again.

Look at my blog, it is all there. There is little point me repeating the issues here.
And we have had threads going through each one in detail, and it normally just gets
worse in the description and consequences.

So as I always want simple open issues drawn to a conclusion, it is absurd to actually
accuse me of the opposite. This is what I call a joke.

And if anyone is interested, read the blog and comment. It is that simple.
What I believe I have also laid out, which is traditional standard evangelical faith.
But maybe this is just all too much, because you cannot win, which is the reality.
 
Again Peter. If we are a voice calling out from THE LORD (and what we were called to "call out" was really one thing only) then what we say from THE LORD should be true and truth.

If it isn't. We shouldn't be calling out anything
 
miknik5 said:
If you are a voice calling out from THE LORD you need to change your tag line for you contradict yourself
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There is an issue with all who share Gods word. It is for the listener to
prove to themselves that they are right. Put simply it is not my word, but Gods
word that matters.

Funnily even Christ said the same thing. You need the testimony of more than one.
He did balance this as the Father testified to Him as well.

But this is always the case with anything from the Lord. We are in the end servants
to the King.
 
miknik5 said:
Again Peter. If we are a voice calling out from THE LORD (and what we were called to "call out" was really one thing only) then what we say from THE LORD should be true and truth.

If it isn't. We shouldn't be calling out anything
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Good point

God does not lie about other people
God does not contradict himself
God does what he says, He is not a hypocrite (do as I say, not what I do)
God does not go back on his word.
God does not blame everyone else for his own problems
 
PeterJens said:
So as I always want simple open issues drawn to a conclusion,
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Yeah me too. So yesterday you had an open exchange, quite the exchange with miknik. And you couldn't understand what her point was and all the rest of us could.

You really couldn't understand her point? You never did directly,openly answer this question.
 
Here is EG the liar and slanderer.

I come speaking the truth, talking scripture, what the Lord has laid on my
heart, and continually I get a long list of sins I have commited, which I have not.

But then the enemy always attacks the messenger and not the message.

So Jesus tells me, Halleluyah for great is your reward in Heaven.

So rather than tearing down what I have to say, he is pointing to is veracity,
because as his hatred of this message rises so does its impact and reality.
 
Gr8grace said:
Yeah me too. So yesterday you had an open exchange, quite the exchange with miknik. And you couldn't understand what her point was and all the rest of us could.

You really couldn't understand her point? You never did directly,openly answer this question.
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lol.. And then he did what he always does, and blamed everyone else.
 
Gr8grace said:
Yeah me too. So yesterday you had an open exchange, quite the exchange with miknik. And you couldn't understand what her point was and all the rest of us could.

You really couldn't understand her point? You never did directly,openly answer this question.
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I answered her point my friend.

But as I said before the idea of speaking from me or the flesh is an alien
concept not in scripture. Or cannot you read what I write?
I cannot make it simpler.

And my point is about feelings, openness and sharing. Or does this pass
you by as well? As I am your enemy, I suppose it must because how things
impact me is not a concern of many.

It was like when someone first suggested I spoke to satan instead of Christ.
A bit of a shock coming from a "believer", who felt they had the authority to
advise elders and whole fellowships. But there you have the great emotional
fest at work, the authority with responsibility theology. Love was never on
their agenda.
 
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