Faith of Jesus Christ

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heavenly_bound

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eph610 said:
This is a perfect example of how Dispensational theology breeds unbelief...

2 Tim 3.16-17
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So God ask Abraham to lie or David to commit murder and adulatory, since all scriptures is inspired by God? There is more to the interpretation of that passage bro; if not, we may find ourselves attributing all the lies and murders in the scriptures to God. i say this bc i have been confronted by Muslims concerning this very passage.
This is that time in history where the enemies of the gospel will look for passages as this one to challenge us with.
 
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heavenly_bound

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Originally Posted by John146

The difference is in the dispensations. We now live and are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Do you want to see the works of my justification, then look no further than the cross.

James is talking to a whole different group of people in a different dispensation. Notice the wording, my faith and my works. Paul says clearly that a man is justified by the faith of Christ and Christ's work on the cross. Big difference.

James later says in verse 24, "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Paul clearly says a man is justified by the faith of Christ in Galatians 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."


miknik5 said:
James was talking to those who thought themselves so spiritual but didn't do naturally what should have been naturall to do . And that was to provide to a brother physical needs and well being when it was in their ability to do so

it is a mockery to say that one is so spiritual that I will pray for you and yet not give what is in your ability to give right then and there to a brother in need

and it applies today too
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What about Paul then?
 
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Interesting that 2 Tim 3.16-17 refers to the Old Testament!
 
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heavenly_bound said:
Originally Posted by John146

The difference is in the dispensations. We now live and are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Do you want to see the works of my justification, then look no further than the cross.

James is talking to a whole different group of people in a different dispensation. Notice the wording, my faith and my works. Paul says clearly that a man is justified by the faith of Christ and Christ's work on the cross. Big difference.

James later says in verse 24, "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Paul clearly says a man is justified by the faith of Christ in Galatians 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."


What about Paul then?
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We know that Paul had faith in JESUS and we have read and understand the context of his letters. In the case of the church at Galatia the whole issue was that men of the law were telling the new body of believes in Jesus, in the GOSPEL that they had to do certain things to be justified

But this thread in the hands of those who do not know do not believe do not have faith in JESUS first and foremost is misleading and confusing because it implies that JESUS was just another man trying to live a pleasing life before GOD

That is why I said it is important to believe who HE IS first for the same reason that these letters (written to believers in CHRIST) are understood with THAT FOUNDATION first being laid

There are many ears listening in who do not have faith in Jesus who listening to this back and forth discussion between believers might assume incorrectly that they are to walk like JESUS but not believe in HIM and that this can ensure them eternal life
 
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John146 said:
All Scripture is inspired by God but not all of it is doctrine for us. Answer me this, did not God tell Jonah to go to Nineveh and cry against it saying "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Is that our direction? If it is, why aren't you in Nineveh? Or do we take God's doctrine to Jonah and make an example out of it? We don't take it literally to us, but it is for us to read and apply some of the same concepts. Again, have you built an ark? Made any sacrifices lately? Yes, these are shadows, but shadows are not the real thing.
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They would be actual events as a laws(no theories) as shadows pointing toward and up coming event not seen, like a ceremonial laws.

It was designed for all to hear and learn from . As Jonas was sent to Nineveh to preach the good news. We are sent out into the whole world not looking to the flesh of man . Building an ark an actual event was used as a shadow as a warning still in effect. The next time he will destroy the whole world . Same with the sheep and sacrifices pointing ahead to a suffering savoir Christ the substance has come in the flesh .

All of scripture or what you call doctrine is useful in coming to an conclusion based on faith, the unseen . There is nothing written directly to a Jew in respect to their outward flesh , as if God was a man as us and had a Jewish back ground.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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disciplemike said:
wonderful. but the problem is, anyone can say they are a believer. (mat7)
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That's ok, God knows who are his, And that's all that matters.

His sheep hear his voice and they follow..

No questions asked.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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eph610 said:
This is a perfect example of how Dispensational theology breeds unbelief...

2 Tim 3.16-17
[SUP]6[/SUP]All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
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That's funny,

Dispensational theology likes to use ALL scripture not just a twisted distorted version of parts of the bible taking allegorically and symbolically.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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eph610 said:
Another example of dispensation doctrine is regarding Bible Covenants...dispensation teaches 2, the Bible records 8
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I must ask, Have you actually studied dispensationalism.. What you just stated is not true. not even close to the truth.. No dispensationalist I ever studied thought this..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Really? How does it cause division? Just wondering..
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At some key point of doctrine it causes a "Jordan" to them.

Waste of time arguing with anti dispensationalists.

The word itself appears to be a bogey man.

It appears to me that anti pre tribs invented the divisive workbook on that particular word.

Its just a bracket of time. A dispensing of time in brackets.

Now,cue the reasons why it is so evil,considering the bible uses it a couple of times.
 
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miknik5 said:
Is the faith of and the faith in two different things?
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Absolutely! Faith in Christ puts the justification upon us, where the faith of Christ places the justification on Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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miknik5 said:
there is only ONE GOSPEL and ONE HOUSE is being built up in ONE BODY and all called into THAT HOUSE are wearing the same GARMENT
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True, And 99 percent of dispensational believers teach this.

Even Scofield (who is slandered as being told he taught different gospels for differing dispensations) believed this, It is in his writtings if people would actually go look..

A Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, King David, Daniel, Jeremiah, Mathew mark luke and john, You, Me, People a million years from now (if the lord tarries that long)

All have been, are being, will be saved by faith

Rom 4, And Abraham believed (had faith) God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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John146 said:
Absolutely! Faith in Christ puts the justification upon us, where the faith of Christ places the justification on Christ.
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? This makes no sense.
 
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popeye said:
The devil believes in him
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Rimans 10 is sufficient.

The devil will not have salvation period.

the devil also knows that there is a day of destruction set for him
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
? This makes no sense.
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Galatians 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

You see, faith requires evidence. Faith requires obedience. I am justified by the faith of Christ because He was completely in obedience. He fulfilled the law. Christ did all the work that we might be justified by what He did and not our own works. The evidence that I am justified is in the finished work of the cross.
 
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Men don't. Men in fact are deceived by the works of Satan who does in seeds of confusion at every turn to keep men from coming to THE TRUTH

faith. Even faith the size of a mustard seed directed in and on CHRIST JESUS

is faith.

And without faith it is impossible to please GOD for one would have to first believe HE IS (something that some men deny) and a rewarder of all who diligently seek HIM

And those who seek shall find
If they would only seek HIM with all their hearts
 
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