Faith of Jesus Christ

[eternally-gratefull]

Let's go to that verse:

James 2:19, "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

The demons believe what? That there is one God.Let's not add to the word of truth and claim the demons believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ for their sins.

Do you want to see the evidence of my salvation? Look no further than the cross.

lol.. So evidence of works means nothing? And james lied?

They believed in God. they did not have faith in him.. I can believe in God. that will not save me at all. I have to trust him.

I am justified by faith not works.

I am saved by faith not works.

Are these wrong?

if your right, anyone who believes in the cross will be saved no matter what.. And I KNOW you do not believe this.

 

[miknik5]

Faith also is a gift from GOD. One can't just believe and we know that Satan has blinded the minds of men so that they can't believe.

Satan an knows the truth but he would like to keep as many as he can from coming to the truth

as as to the dispensation of GRACE. this is GOD's GRACE and how HE deals with HIS PEOPLE today show the glory and goodness and long suffering of GOD that HE desires none should perish but that all should come to repentance and the knowledge of His Grace and Mercy most clearly seen in His Son

 

[Gr8grace]

Even demons believe yet tremble

Belief will not save anyone, One can believe in something and have no faith whatever in that something.

Faith is what saves.

How can we tell the difference between a person who has faith, and one who just has belief (there faith is dead)

Well. Faith does not sit still. Faith works..

Hey bro, Just want to carry this out a bit. Because I believe that there are going to be MANY believers in the eternal state that had a dead faith or a faith that didn't work.

What do you think about the sin unto physical death? Or loss of rewards? or loss of rank? loss of crowns? Saved but as if through fire?

I believe that these things are in the word. So that means that there are going to be believers who do nothing or very little after salvation.

from your studies Do you see these different "levels" in the eternal state?

 

[miknik5]

John, even Romans 3 is specific to distinguish this faith to those who believe.

Do do you agree that those who believe and have faith in JESUS will do the works as evidence of that faith?

sayan believes yes. He knows the truth but he will not and does not do the works of faith as evidence of his belief

rather he purposely does the works evident of his understanding that he has no hope and that none of the promises of GOD are for him at all which is why he trembles knowing there is a time set for his destruction


it is men in the world who do not know this who need to first know the Truth and believe the Truth of the Gospel in order to even discern the works of GOD from the works of the wrong kingdom

 

[miknik5]

Satan would love for men never to INITIALLY come to the cross and do the works of the faith ofbjesus all the while never believing in Jesus

 

[miknik5]

If this is the age of the dispensation of GOD's GRACE then it is already written that those who hear THE VOICE of THE SPN OG GOD and believe in HIM have LIFE NOW...they have already passed from death to LIFE and the second death has no power over them


But that is not what is promised to those who are included with those who will hear the voice of the son of GOD and be raised to be judged according to their works

those have no part in the first resurrection. And it is not guaranteed that they will be raised to life is it?

isnt the Gospel today for the living
isn't that what we are supposed to be preaching first and foremost?


i appreciate you reminding us that we have the faith from JESUS and can trust in HIS faithfulness but again those words were written to those who had already heard the GOSPEL preached and had believed in HIM

 

[miknik5]

I am so sorry for being particular in this. But if one does not have a LOVE for JESUS then what they are doing is no different than how the law and its rules were treated and done. Detached as some sort of check list used to validate and justify their standing based on what one can do.

And doing these things all the while uncovered. Not having the RIGHT GARMENT which justifies in the sight of GOD
THE BLOOD which washes and makes clean what apart from HIM we can't, in and of ourselves do anything to make clean

 

[miknik5]

The year of GOD's favor will, at some point end

and another ministry will begin. And it won't be one of reconciling back to the FATHER what had been lost and separated from the FATHER because of sin

of which all men are guilty of

 

[miknik5]

Hey bro, Just want to carry this out a bit. Because I believe that there are going to be MANY believers in the eternal state that had a dead faith or a faith that didn't work.

What do you think about the sin unto physical death? Or loss of rewards? or loss of rank? loss of crowns? Saved but as if through fire?

I believe that these things are in the word. So that means that there are going to be believers who do nothing or very little after salvation.

from your studies Do you see these different "levels" in the eternal state?

Do you?

Paul saw himself at the end of the procession
andvthecoatabke of the workers in the vineyard show that all receive the same reward

and the ones who came in at the last hour actually are first

and those crowns?
who do they belong to?

ans do you think that you will demand a certain chair at the table or just be content to hear HIS VOICE say well done good and faithful. S. E. R. V. A. N. T.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey bro, Just want to carry this out a bit. Because I believe that there are going to be MANY believers in the eternal state that had a dead faith or a faith that didn't work.

What do you think about the sin unto physical death? Or loss of rewards? or loss of rank? loss of crowns? Saved but as if through fire?

I believe that these things are in the word. So that means that there are going to be believers who do nothing or very little after salvation.

from your studies Do you see these different "levels" in the eternal state?

first off. I believe God knows who has true faith and saves them. James was written to people. he told them to basically (test your faith) so it was not given to us so we can try to judge other people (they have no works so their faith must be dead)

I do believe there will be some "saved as through fire" as paul said in Corinthians.. And there will be same baby Christians who will get to heaven.

Again, It is all of God. He knows who his sheep are (as I said earlier) for me to try to judge who is saved and who are not. Well I think there are a lot of people who look like Christian who are not. And a lot who do not. who are..


sin unto death, You commit a sin (like drink and get drunk) then drive and get killed. Well you just commited a sin unto death,, If you got drunk and did not die, then praise God, repent, amd don't do it again, you may not be so lucky next time.

Hope this answers your question..

 

[miknik5]

And if like some wisdom in the understanding of the servant who knew HIS MASTERS will but didn't do it and the servant who didn't know HIS MASTERS WILL and did many things deserving of stripea



who is the one who will be punished more severely?

 

[miknik5]

Sometimes it is much better just to be a baby. But it seems to me that HE gives to whom HE chooses. Not because they are "better" but because HE knows they will not fall away

 

[Gr8grace]

first off. I believe God knows who has true faith and saves them. James was written to people. he told them to basically (test your faith) so it was not given to us so we can try to judge other people (they have no works so their faith must be dead)

I do believe there will be some "saved as through fire" as paul said in Corinthians.. And there will be same baby Christians who will get to heaven.

Again, It is all of God. He knows who his sheep are (as I said earlier) for me to try to judge who is saved and who are not. Well I think there are a lot of people who look like Christian who are not. And a lot who do not. who are..


sin unto death, You commit a sin (like drink and get drunk) then drive and get killed. Well you just commited a sin unto death,, If you got drunk and did not die, then praise God, repent, amd don't do it again, you may not be so lucky next time.

Hope this answers your question..

Thanks EG. It is those who look like Christians on the outside, talk like Christians, and are doing many "wonderful" works that are tares and rubbing elbows with the wheat. The tares are going to try their best to focus on the guy outside smoking a cig that is the tare.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thanks EG. It is those who look like Christians on the outside, talk like Christians, and are doing many "wonderful" works that are tares and rubbing elbows with the wheat. The tares are going to try their best to focus on the guy outside smoking a cig that is the tare.

yep, been there done that.. Was involved in churches that judged miniscule things like that..

God has more important things for the church to do. Like win the lost.. to enter the gates of hell and rescue people from satans grasp (all with Gods power of course)

 

[John146]

first off. I believe God knows who has true faith and saves them. James was written to people. he told them to basically (test your faith) so it was not given to us so we can try to judge other people (they have no works so their faith must be dead)

I do believe there will be some "saved as through fire" as paul said in Corinthians.. And there will be same baby Christians who will get to heaven.

Again, It is all of God. He knows who his sheep are (as I said earlier) for me to try to judge who is saved and who are not. Well I think there are a lot of people who look like Christian who are not. And a lot who do not. who are..


sin unto death, You commit a sin (like drink and get drunk) then drive and get killed. Well you just commited a sin unto death,, If you got drunk and did not die, then praise God, repent, amd don't do it again, you may not be so lucky next time.

Hope this answers your question..

You see, that's where we differ. I don't believe James is writing to the Church Age which is the time period after the resurrection and before the catching up of the church. I believe James is writing to the twelve tribes scattered abroad during the tribulation. Matthew 24-25 line up well with James. It's end times doctrine when the church is no longer here. I don't want to make this thread about James but it's important to divide the dispensations of Paul and James. James does not line up with Paul. One would not take James literally and have to fit it into Paul's doctrine for the church through sly exposition. I don't want to do that. I take James literally. I take Paul literally. They don't fit.

 

[heavenly_bound]

The laws that were a school master, a teacher, were the ceremonial laws, (lambs and blood offerings etc) that Gods people were required to obey.
By putting their faith in these ceremonies they were putting their faith in the better thing to come (Christ). They didn't have Christ but were kept under the law to show their faith in what would be revealed. They still needed faith in God and God's forgiveness (think of the pass over).

"Those OT saints lived by their own faith and the evidence of their faith is the report about them. We live by the faith of Jesus Christ and the evidence of Christ's faith is in His report."
This i don't agree with.
The OT saints lived by faith in the ceremonies and what they meant, it didn't matter how deeply they understood their meaning because God judges their faith by their fruits. We live by faith in what all the ceremonies pointed to (Jesus Christ), the better thing, and the evidence of our faith in Christ is also seen in our fruits. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

"Faith in Chris"t and "the of Christ" are not the same, although we need both!

 

[oldethennew]

yep, been there done that.. Was involved in churches that judged miniscule things like that..

God has more important things for the church to do. Like win the lost.. to enter the gates of hell and rescue people from satans grasp (all with Gods power of course)
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EG,

if you have come across a 'church' that isn't interested in 'miniscule things', or what each of the other
members are doing/giving,? then Brother, you have hit the Christian-lottery!
I would be tempted to put out a 'bill-board', if I could get off of my knees...

 

[eph610]

You see, that's where we differ. I don't believe James is writing to the Church Age which is the time period after the resurrection and before the catching up of the church. I believe James is writing to the twelve tribes scattered abroad during the tribulation. Matthew 24-25 line up well with James. It's end times doctrine when the church is no longer here. I don't want to make this thread about James but it's important to divide the dispensations of Paul and James. James does not line up with Paul. One would not take James literally and have to fit it into Paul's doctrine for the church through sly exposition. I don't want to do that. I take James literally. I take Paul literally. They don't fit.

I rest my case on my comments on dispensation theology.....