Done Away?

[miknik5]

Do you agree then? That not all listen to HIS VOICE? Which is why the law will not pass since not all are in submission to HIM?

whdn the full number in CHRIST is complete and HE has put the last if HIS enemies under Him

Then will all have been accomplished.

 

[heavenly_bound]

Not all has been accomplished. The law will remain because not all men know how to handle the law rightly not combining the INNER promptings of THE SPIRIT with the outward visible workings of the flesh...

Until all things are brought into submission to HIM, there are still enemies.
When HE has put the last of HIS enemies under HIM, then will all have been accomplished.

Until then, the law remains...for wicked men (who do not have THE SPIRIT and therefore do not always do what is is right according to the SPIRIT of GOD'S WORD and law...

yes the law like you rightly said, is for law breakers and not for those that are in Christ!! therefore any believer who illegitimately places himself under the law, will live by it and we know that the law only condemns; that's why those believers who have made the choice to live under the law will never understand what it is to be really free in Christ!

 

[heavenly_bound]

Do you agree then? That not all listen to HIS VOICE? Which is why the law will not pass since not all are in submission to HIM?

whdn the full number in CHRIST is complete and HE has put the last if HIS enemies under Him

Then will all have been accomplished.

no no!! He said on the cross 'tetelestiel" it is finished, its a done deal, it is accomplished !!!!

 

[heavenly_bound]

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it."

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

YHWH said through Moses that Yah will send a prophet we must hear and obey.

John (Yahchanan) 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John (Yahchanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

The Messiah said the same.

John (Yahchanan) 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."

All I am saying is we must hear and obey the Messiah.

yes we must hear and obey the messiah in that, we must accept and come to terms with what he has done on our behalf, in our stead and in our benefit!! we must listen and obey the fact that the messiah has reconciled us to God through His cross! "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ as though God did beseech you by us we pray you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God" (2 Cor 5:20). meaning we must accept our reconciliation. we must accept that we have been reconciled to God by means of the messiah; its not by obeying the law of God. Christ stands before His Father presenting us in Himself in all works and obedience!!!. its about Christ brethren! its about him and him alone.

There is a reason why He is the exclusive savior of mankind!!! only God can communicate with God!! Therefore we can only communicate with God the Father in ( the Son has placed us in himself) God the Son. Christ in you the hope of God's glory!!

 

[miknik5]

no no!! He said on the cross 'tetelestiel" it is finished, its a done deal, it is accomplished !!!!

Have all come to THE CROSS then?

you are thinking ONLY of yourself but there remains still those outside the DOOR and the end will not come until the last sheep has been brought in

 

[miknik5]

You talk amongst yourselves forgetting that there are other little ears listening in trying to understand.
How is this overlooked?

 

[miknik5]

yes we must hear and obey the messiah in that, we must accept and come to terms with what he has done on our behalf, in our stead and in our benefit!! we must listen and obey the fact that the messiah has reconciled us to God through His cross! "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ as though God did beseech you by us we pray you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God" (2 Cor 5:20). meaning we must accept our reconciliation. we must accept that we have been reconciled to God by means of the messiah; its not by obeying the law of God. Christ stands before His Father presenting us in Himself in all works and obedience!!!. its about Christ brethren! its about him and him alone.

There is a reason why He is the exclusive savior of mankind!!! only God can communicate with God!! Therefore we can only communicate with God the Father in ( the Son has placed us in himself) God the Son. Christ in you the hope of God's glory!!

Are all IN CHRIST?

have all been gathered up IN CHRIST?

 

[prove-all]

no no!! He said on the cross 'tetelestiel" it is finished, its a done deal, it is accomplished !!!!

• 1 Corinthians 15:27 (KJV)
  
  For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him,
• it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him.

• Hebrews 2:8 (KJV)
  
  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet.
• For in that he put all in subjectionunder him,

he left nothing that is not put under him.

But now we see not yet all things putunder him.

• 1 Corinthians 15:28 (KJV)
  
  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject
• unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[miknik5]

Hurray! There are no enemies of the CROSS!
But there are

we don't see them but this also is why all of creation was made subject to decay so that all of creation would wait by HOPE in the ONE who will come and make all things new

its just that not all men have this HOPE
Many do not believe and therefore are not reconciled by THE BLOOD of THE LAMB having not come to HIM to be washed
they don't believe they even need to

 

[prove-all]

only God can communicate with God!!

where do you read that?


Christ said to pray to our father.......,
is that not talking or communicating with God?


[h=3]Hebrews 4:16 (KJV)[/h]

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace,
that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.​

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Corinthians 7:19

ISR
The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Ylohim does matter!

New International Version
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

New Living Translation
For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God's commandments.

English Standard Version
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

 

[miknik5]

It was based on GOD's call and PROMISE

 

[miknik5]

Which came to Abraham before any of the workings of the law

and circumcision ion was an outward mark signifying a new and Covenanted and set apart and consecrated people to GOD

 

[Hizikyah]

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So growing up I was told this is where Jesus did away/did so you didn't have to the Law....

However when I got older and read for myself I realized this was the exact proof that the Law had no been done away.

but to fulfill them

Unless heaven and earth passes away

until all things are perfected

These three must be before the Law can be done away/destroyed/etc.

Have they all happened?


Matt 5:17-18, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

So lets walk through this;

"Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them"

"but to fulfill them"

So I'm told yep He fulfilled everything thus the Law (Instructions) of Yah are "destroyed/done away"....

So the first thing I find odd is the fact that He said 2 times, He DID NOT come to destroy he Law/prophets....

But lets look at "but to fulfill them"

Has He fulfilled everything written in the Law and the prophets that is for Him to fulfill?

There is a prophecy that says Yahshua (Jesus) will return, He has not YET fulfilled this;

Revelation 19:13-15:, "And He was wrapped in a tallit dipped in blood, and the Name of Him is called: Yahshua--The Salvation of Yahweh. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him upon white horses, And out of His mouth goes a sharp, two-edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations; and He will rule over them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty Yahweh."

So we can CLEARLY see He has not yet fulfilled ALL the Law and prophets, and you know what part of the Law He has not yet fulfilled? Judgement. (Came as a Lamb, returns as a Lion.)

These are Yahshua's (Jesus) words;

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

I know I know "JUSTIFIED BY WORKSSSSS!!!!!!" LOL, these are the WORDS OF THE SAVIOR.

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

"Unless heaven and earth passes away..the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law"

Has heaven and earth passed away? I will give you a minute to look out your window.......

No? Still there? So according to HIM, not me, Him, nothing will pass from the Law. (the real Sacifice is complete, and the Pristhood has taken on it true form, as Yahshua is the High Priest now.)

When will heaven and earth pass? Does Scripture give us a hint? Thank Yah, it does;

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Since He says, "Unless heaven and earth passes away..the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law"

So the prophecy of heaven and earth "passing" is not yet fulfilled, but clearly written, so how have the Law been thrown out?

A few more supporting verses;

Isayah 66:21-24, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

"will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected"

"until all things are perfected"

Have all things been perfected?

Is there still sin and death? Yeah? Then how have ALL things been perfected?

This is the perfection of all things;

Revelation 21:4-8 And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful.And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone--which is the second death."

 

[miknik5]

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Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Why do you post a reset button?
No one would want to (after coming through this time like none other) reset the button.


You overlooked all that leads up to this point.

Why?

 

[miknik5]

There was ONE GARMENT all the saints were wearing. It was white.

Why?

 

[Hizikyah]

Why do you post a reset button?
No one would want to (after coming through this time like none other) reset the button.


You overlooked all that leads up to this point.

Why?

Because not mcuh Scripture is being posted, but vauge ideas...

 

[miknik5]

Because not mcuh Scripture is being posted, but vauge ideas...

You want me to post all of revelation and the time if trouble just before revelation 22 -and the verse which you mention those who keep HIS commands?

you forgot that during that time like none other where it is not even possible that any flesh could be saved there will be those who will keep his command and will even during this time hold to the testimony of JESUS

What works of the law do you think they will be doing during this time

 

[miknik5]

Remember? Not by power or by might Sayeth the Lord

But by HIS SPIRIT

 

[Hizikyah]

You want me to post all of revelation and the time if trouble just before revelation 22 -and the verse which you mention those who keep HIS commands?

you forgot that during that time like none other where it is not even possible that any flesh could be saved there will be those who will keep his command and will even during this time hold to the testimony of JESUS

What works of the law do you think they will be doing during this time

Remember? Not by power or by might Sayeth the Lord

But by HIS SPIRIT

The way you type it is hard to follow exactly what you are trying to say, if you could pair some Scriptual verses with your ideas it would go a long way.


Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law (Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."

According to Scripture it seems one would love the Law of the Most High in the covenant ratified with the blood of the Messiah. Well it dosent seem, it is clearly written...