Bisexual and Christian?

[PennEd]

No, I dont believe you can do any of those and be a Christian. If you do not repent of them, you have not accepted Him.

And bisexuality is an attraction to the same gender, even if it includes the opposite gender as well, therefore it qualifies as homosexuality.

I think it's important to be clear on who is exactly a Christian. VS. how a Christian should walk.

I don't believe anyone should use the phrase "you can't be a Christian IF you do" ...Fill in the blank about a particular sin.

A Christian, is someone who has asked Jesus into their heart, believing He is God in the flesh, who was born of a woman, suffered, died and rose to life on the 3rd day.

After that I believe the Holy Spirit will work in the believer to instruct them to walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh. This is rarely an instantaneous event. Most of us, certainly myself included, have learned the hard way to lean NOT on our own understanding, but to trust totally on the Lord. And the more we trust solely on Him, and keep our eyes on Him, and NOT on our sins, the LESS we will sin.

So although we shouldn't rationalize sin, especially in ourselves, we need to be patient with those who are on a different spot on the road of sanctification.

Peace, Love, and Grace to you.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I think it's important to be clear on who is exactly a Christian. VS. how a Christian should walk.

I don't believe anyone should use the phrase "you can't be a Christian IF you do" ...Fill in the blank about a particular sin.

A Christian, is someone who has asked Jesus into their heart, believing He is God in the flesh, who was born of a woman, suffered, died and rose to life on the 3rd day.

After that I believe the Holy Spirit will work in the believer to instruct them to walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh. This is rarely an instantaneous event. Most of us, certainly myself included, have learned the hard way to lean NOT on our own understanding, but to trust totally on the Lord. And the more we trust solely on Him, and keep our eyes on Him, and NOT on our sins, the LESS we will sin.

So although we shouldn't rationalize sin, especially in ourselves, we need to be patient with those who are on a different spot on the road of sanctification.

Peace, Love, and Grace to you.

Titus 1:16 "They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good."

If someone comes and claims to be a follower of Christ to us, but then teaches us things that are contrary to His teachings, then we should absolutely call them out on it, and tell them whats in God's word. They can choose to accept it or deny it, but we shouldnt show support for what they are teaching.

If a Christian deals with urges for something they know is wrong, then we should absolutely be there to support them. If they accept these urges and try to convince His followers that they can accept them too, then they are leading people away from Him.

 

[kaylagrl]

Christian:
noun

• 1. a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
  
  

This is irrelevant. Physical/sexual attraction is not dependent on gender. Besides, if God embodies both male and female characteristics... and created MAN in his image... then man also has both male and female characteristics.

Quote "a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings"...

Then by your own admission you are not a Christian.

 

[kaylagrl]

Can you be a sinner and a follower of Christ?
Can a murderer follow Christ?
How about a glutton?
Or one who is profane with their word?

I brought up the term 'bisexual', not 'homosexual'.

Attraction is not action.

Quote "Can you be a sinner and a follower of Christ? "

The better question is "should you still be sinning and a follower of Christ?" We all fail but we dont continue living like we lived in the world. We are supposed to be maturing in Christ. If your life isn't different then your life before Christ,there is a huge problem.Somewhere you're not surrendering to him.

 

[zQueen]

Using Paul as an example, we know from his own writings that he was a repentant sinner. Yes, he was guilty of sin, and yes he repented of what he did. Just like all Christians, we must repent of our sins.

And thats completely irrelevant, the issue is is that practicing homosexuality is a sin, it doesnt matter if you also participate in heterosexual relations. And even with that, if you do it outside of marriage, you are in sin. We are given rules to live by. If we repent of sin, He will forgive us, that is written all over the bible. But if we continue in them, and refuse to repent, we will not be saved. That is the message of the bible, the very book that makes up Christianity.

My attraction to males is no more sinful than your attraction to females. By God's way, sin is sin.

I agree with PennEd; we were all born sinners. We are habitual sinners. We simply cannot cease sinning by our own will. God may very well change our hearts, but we don't go from 'habitual sinner' to 'holy and sinless' in an instant.

 

[zQueen]

Quote "a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings"...

Then by your own admission you are not a Christian.

You know my heart and my beliefs? Only God knows.
Are you claiming to be God? That would be blasphemy.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

My attraction to males is no more sinful than your attraction to females. By God's way, sin is sin.

I agree with PennEd; we were all born sinners. We are habitual sinners. We simply cannot cease sinning by our own will. God may very well change our hearts, but we don't go from 'habitual sinner' to 'holy and sinless' in an instant.

Youre wrong to assume your first sentence there, I deal with homosexuality. But I also know that it is wrong, and that I can completely deny it and follow Him. And no, I dont believe "He made me that way", I accept exactly what Jesus taught Himself, I am tempted by beings who want to see me die in their own rage.

And also, I have fallen to the same sin since coming to Him. And I know that I have done wrong, and I ask for His mercy, and for Him to help me. But I do not try to encourage others that its okay to both claim to follow Christ, and also to follow out your urges. I encourage others to follow Christ, and repent of their sins and seek His help. You cannot be both Christian and homosexual.

 

[kaylagrl]

My attraction to males is no more sinful than your attraction to females. By God's way, sin is sin.

I agree with PennEd; we were all born sinners. We are habitual sinners. We simply cannot cease sinning by our own will. God may very well change our hearts, but we don't go from 'habitual sinner' to 'holy and sinless' in an instant.

Quote "My attraction to males is no more sinful than your attraction to females."

No, you're wrong. Desire for the opposite sex is how we were created as long as its not lust or outside marriage. Attraction to the same sex is wrong according to Gods Word.

Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.…


Quote" God may very well change our hearts, but we don't go from 'habitual sinner' to 'holy and sinless' in an instant."

If a person is struggling that is different than a person calling themselves a bisexual or gay Christian. There is not such thing. We don't say we're an alcoholic Christian. No, we are a new creation. The places we use to go,the people we use to know,the things we use to do change and we mature as a Christian.

 

[kaylagrl]

You know my heart and my beliefs? Only God knows.
Are you claiming to be God? That would be blasphemy.

Im speaking about what the Word of God says and teaches. So no, that wouldn't be "claiming to be God" now would it? Can you point to the sentence where I claimed to be God?! No,you cannot.

 

[zQueen]

Youre wrong to assume your first sentence there, I deal with homosexuality. But I also know that it is wrong, and that I can completely deny it and follow Him. And no, I dont believe "He made me that way", I accept exactly what Jesus taught Himself, I am tempted by beings who want to see me die in their own rage.

And also, I have fallen to the same sin since coming to Him. And I know that I have done wrong, and I ask for His mercy, and for Him to help me. But I do not try to encourage others that its okay to both claim to follow Christ, and also to follow out your urges. I encourage others to follow Christ, and repent of their sins and seek His help. You cannot be both Christian and homosexual.

You've assumed wrong about me from the beginning, and continue to do so. You fail to understand what I have shared. Please take care to read with understanding, and ask for clarification when you do not understand.

I am not a homosexual. And,you're here telling me: 1. I'm a homosexual. 2. I can't be a Christian. 3. You've accused me of encouraging people to follow their urges.

I'm not telling you or anyone to do anything at this point, besides seek understanding.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

You've assumed wrong about me from the beginning, and continue to do so. You fail to understand what I have shared. Please take care to read with understanding, and ask for clarification when you do not understand.

I am not a homosexual. And,you're here telling me: 1. I'm a homosexual. 2. I can't be a Christian. 3. You've accused me of encouraging people to follow their urges.

I'm not telling you or anyone to do anything at this point, besides seek understanding.

Bisexuality includes homosexuality. When you accept bisexuality you accept homosexuality.

And you come claiming to be both bisexual and Christian, thats instantly going to tell someone that you practice bisexuality and claim to follow Christ. On top of that, you go out of your way defending it, by arguing that "we all sin" and even made the claim that being willingly attracted to the same sex is not immoral.

If you are now telling me that you deal with it, but deny it in order to come to the Lord, then awesome. I am on your side. But you have in no way represented yourself in that way, you have actually made it look like the exact opposite. That you engage in bisexuality and also claim you are a follower of Christ.

 

[zQueen]

Im speaking about what the Word of God says and teaches. So no, that wouldn't be "claiming to be God" now would it? Can you point to the sentence where I claimed to be God?! No,you cannot.

Recall:

Quote "a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings"...

Then by your own admission you are not a Christian.

You are quick to speak and slow to listen. Quick to judge, and slow to love.

 

[LaurenTM]

Can you be a sinner and a follower of Christ?
Can a murderer follow Christ?
How about a glutton?
Or one who is profane with their word?

I brought up the term 'bisexual', not 'homosexual'.

Attraction is not action.

I am the first one to say...it is not the temptation...it's what you do with it. It all begins between the ears. Dwell on it long enough, and you have made a well worn path your mind will go down and eventually you will act it out. The Bible is clear that thinking sinful thoughts are...sin.

Christ does not offer excuses for our sins...He offers redemption and I would seriously like to know why some people, irregardless of what the particular sin is, think their sin is worse than someone elses?

well how about a glutton...are you aware that the book of Revelation advises us that gluttons will not be in heaven? we always think of food with regards to the word glutton...but I think folks can generally gluttonize more than food

Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us, “Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.” Proverbs 28:7 declares, “He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.” Proverbs 23:2 proclaims, “Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.

Let's just cut to the chase here...ALL sin is unrighteouness ...sin, the word, actually means missing the mark...we are missing God's mark...in other words...we are OFF TARGET and cannot present ourselves in this state to God

as far as what goes on between the ears? also sin.....and not acceptable...

Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Psalm 51:10

Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. James 4:8

Or do you not know that the unrighteous1 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,210 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. I Cor. 6

19. 1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

21. James 1:14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.

16. Ephesians 6:10-11 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

16. Ephesians 6:10-11 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

It applies to each and every single one of us.

When I committed my ginormous faux pas (sin...sorry not going into details for the curious here, but did not involve homsexuality..which is prob clue enough for those of YOU with an agile mind), I made excuses up the ying yang and believe me, I have an agile mind. I actually convinced others everything was ok.

It was not ever ok and I paid dearly. I am forgiven...but just like someone who drinks too much and gets cirrhosis of the liver and then becomes a Christian, they still have that liver problem...unless God heals them.

Sin has consequences...like seeing something you wish you have never seen that plays across the screen of your mind and does not stop even when you close your eyes.

This is not about condemning anyone or being judgemental...I am an understanding and sympathetic person...but that is not how you treat sin.

Get a knife...the word of God...and operate on yourself. Sinners need the truth, not a sympathy card.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I am the first one to say...it is not the temptation...it's what you do with it.

Not true, I have said it many times in my posts. In fact, my very last post-

If you are now telling me that you deal with it, but deny it in order to come to the Lord, then awesome. I am on your side.

 

[zQueen]

Bisexuality includes homosexuality. When you accept bisexuality you accept homosexuality.

And you come claiming to be both bisexual and Christian, thats instantly going to tell someone that you practice bisexuality and claim to follow Christ. On top of that, you go out of your way defending it, by arguing that "we all sin" and even made the claim that being willingly attracted to the same sex is not immoral.

If you are now telling me that you deal with it, but deny it in order to come to the Lord, then awesome. I am on your side. But you have in no way represented yourself in that way, you have actually made it look like the exact opposite. That you engage in bisexuality and also claim you are a follower of Christ.

Why add words to what I said?

Does attraction automatically equal desire?

I find ________ to be a very attractive person. This does not mean I desire or lust for that person.

 

[Utah]

So many active threads about our "cookies". Sheesh!

 

[kaylagrl]

Recall:



You are quick to speak and slow to listen. Quick to judge, and slow to love.

No one is judging you,you are saying you are a bisexual Christian. Im telling you the Bible, Gods Word says that is wrong. So Im not judging you,God's words are judging you. And no where did I say I was God nor claimed to be. Im slow to love? Well you don't know me. But you are awful quick to react in a nasty way when Scripture is brought up to prove what you are saying is wrong.

 

[LaurenTM]

Not true, I have said it many times in my posts. In fact, my very last post-

say what?

I am talking about real life...not forum expressions

cheese whiz.can't say anything around here.... LOL!

 

[zQueen]

I am the first one to say...it is not the temptation...it's what you do with it. It all begins between the ears. Dwell on it long enough, and you have made a well worn path your mind will go down and eventually you will act it out. The Bible is clear that thinking sinful thoughts are...sin.

Christ does not offer excuses for our sins...He offers redemption and I would seriously like to know why some people, irregardless of what the particular sin is, think their sin is worse than someone elses?

well how about a glutton...are you aware that the book of Revelation advises us that gluttons will not be in heaven? we always think of food with regards to the word glutton...but I think folks can generally gluttonize more than food

Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us, “Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.” Proverbs 28:7 declares, “He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.” Proverbs 23:2 proclaims, “Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.

Let's just cut to the chase here...ALL sin is unrighteouness ...sin, the word, actually means missing the mark...we are missing God's mark...in other words...we are OFF TARGET and cannot present ourselves in this state to God

as far as what goes on between the ears? also sin.....and not acceptable...

Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Psalm 51:10

Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. James 4:8

Or do you not know that the unrighteous1 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,210 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. I Cor. 6

19. 1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

21. James 1:14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.

16. Ephesians 6:10-11 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

16. Ephesians 6:10-11 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

It applies to each and every single one of us.

When I committed my ginormous faux pas (sin...sorry not going into details for the curious here, but did not involve homsexuality..which is prob clue enough for those of YOU with an agile mind), I made excuses up the ying yang and believe me, I have an agile mind. I actually convinced others everything was ok.

It was not ever ok and I paid dearly. I am forgiven...but just like someone who drinks too much and gets cirrhosis of the liver and then becomes a Christian, they still have that liver problem...unless God heals them.

Sin has consequences...like seeing something you wish you have never seen that plays across the screen of your mind and does not stop even when you close your eyes.

This is not about condemning anyone or being judgemental...I am an understanding and sympathetic person...but that is not how you treat sin.

Get a knife...the word of God...and operate on yourself. Sinners need the truth, not a sympathy card.

Good stuff. Thank you for sharing. Matthew, Chapter 5 comes to mind:

Anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. -Jesus

 

[LaurenTM]

you know everyone has to check out your names double time with that cat avie

I read your plan....