Building upon a lie

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When one spreads a false doctrine that is not based entirely on the good solid foundation of God’s Word of Truth, ( which is our Rock and Chief corner stone), then certain verses need be ignored or rejected entirely. In order for the lie to prosper the Truth must be misrepresented, twisted, and even flat out rejected in some cases. I have found there is one single misrepresentation, or false doctrine belief that causes so many of its followers to reject, misrepresent, twist, and even outright deny the very words of God and warnings in many parts of scripture in order to uphold this foundational error on which the whole of the false doctrine is built upon.


This one single misrepresentation of scripture that has caused so many persons to be led astray, and has also caused them to want to believe many more lies in order to prop up and uphold the original misrepresentation of scripture is this…… “All future sins are already forgiven no matter what one does.” This false doctrine belief is the cornerstone belief of Universalism, OSAS doctrine, and many of the false grace doctrines we see being widely accepted today. The simple reason why it is so widely accepted by the world is because the whole world lies in wickedness. And so the notion, and the doctrine that you can sin and still be saved is a very popular one for those who are still of the world and living to the lusts of the flesh.


This false doctrine sets no condition on the person’s part to abide in the faith, which is to abide in the very words of God and doctrine of Jesus Christ. This single misrepresentation of scripture has also caused many to also believe there is no need for confession of sin, no need for repentance of and from sin, no need to forgive others of sin in order to be forgiven of God, no need for an obedient walk of faith, and also no need to stop sinning.


So why would one think all the other parts and warnings in scripture do not apply to them? Because in the minds of its followers “all future sins are already forgiven” so why bother with the rest? This single false belief also rejects any notion that one can even fall away from the faith, even though the warnings in scripture are numerous. Not to mention all the warnings about walking in the flesh and not ceasing from sin. This false belief also rejects this verse here…Matthew 12:32 “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


And so if all future sins are already forgiven with no possible way to fall away from the faith, then why the need for all the many warnings in scripture, and why a need for a judgement, for hell and a lake of fire? Makes no sense at all, if indeed all future sins are already forgiven right? Truth is, there is no verse in scripture that says “all future sins are already forgiven.”
But there are those that specifically speak of past sins being forgiven.

Romans 3:25 “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”


2 Peter 1:1-10 “
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:”

Now, don’t get me wrong. God can and will forgive you all your past sins, and even future sins, but there are some “ifs” or conditions that have be met by the believer if one sins after coming to Christ and being washed. If one hardens their hearts to all those warnings and conditions of repenting of sin, and walking in willful ongoing rebellion and wickedness then there remains no more sacrifice for their sins.


Hebrews 10:26
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
 
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With the whole issue of false doctrine I ask myself is it false doctrine based on what I believe or is it false doctrine because of what God believes.

Just something to ponder but personally in searching my heart I often times find it's mainly because of my own views that a doctrine is false, the eyes of the heart can be very deceiving and only upon truly searching can we find if in fact we are the ones who are blind
 
Perfect demonstration of how you build your false doctrine upon misrepresentation. Well done. Textbook example of how to blame the other guy while you do the same thing.

Are you saved? Are you greater than God? Is God greater than sin?

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is al by Gods doing not ours.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Here's some "solid biblical foundation" for ya....


Acts 10:43
"All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”


2 Corinthians 5:19
"that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation."


Colossians 1:14
"in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."


Colossians 2:13
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins"


Colossians 3:13
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."


Ephesians 1:7
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace"


Ephesians 4:32
"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."


1 John 2:12
"I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of His name."


Hebrews 8:12
"For I will forgive their wickedness, and will remember their sins no more.”


Hebrews 10:17
“...Their sins and lawless acts, I will remember no more.”


Believe it.
 
The lie that all future sins are already forgiven speaks contrary to the whole Truth, a simple example....

Matthew 12:32 “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

In order to uphold a lie,
certain scriptures like the above have to be ignored, twisted, or even dismissed.
 
The lie that all future sins are already forgiven speaks contrary to the whole Truth, a simple example....

Matthew 12:32 “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

In order to uphold a lie,
certain scriptures like the above have to be ignored, twisted, or even dismissed.

Here is how hyper grace followers dismiss the above verses without scriptural support--->>>
18-Christian’s cannot commit the unpardonable sin
 
The lie that all future sins are already forgiven speaks contrary to the whole Truth, a simple example....

Matthew 12:32 “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

In order to uphold a lie,
certain scriptures like the above have to be ignored, twisted, or even dismissed.
Nope they must be understood in context. You must determine if God is speaking to believers or unbelievers to determine the basic context.

Speaking blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can only be done by unbelievers not believers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Nope they must be understood in context. You must determine if God is speaking to believers or unbelievers to determine the basic context.

Speaking blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can only be done by unbelievers not believers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Please give the verse(s) of scripture that confirm that idea. :)
 
The lie that all future sins are already forgiven speaks contrary to the whole Truth

Well of course it does. There is no such thing as "future sins". All sinning occurs in the present. In the "now".

Exactly how long do you suppose the present is the present before it becomes the past?
 
Please give the verse(s) of scripture that confirm that idea. :)
Lu 11:17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.

The Holy Spirit will not divide the kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit is in every believer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Here's some "solid biblical foundation" for ya....


Acts 10:43
"All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”


2 Corinthians 5:19
"that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation."


Colossians 1:14
"in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."


Colossians 2:13
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins"


Colossians 3:13
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."


Ephesians 1:7
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace"


Ephesians 4:32
"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."


1 John 2:12
"I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of His name."


Hebrews 8:12
"For I will forgive their wickedness, and will remember their sins no more.”


Hebrews 10:17
“...Their sins and lawless acts, I will remember no more.”


Believe it.

Amen, to the words of God and I believe every one of them. But please show me the verse(s) that say this implied misrepresentation of God's words here--->>>>
misrepresentation of scripture is this…… “All future sins are already forgiven no matter what one does.”
 
Lu 11:17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.

The Holy Spirit will not divide the kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit is in every believer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Sorry, that is not proof text that a believer cannot commit the unpardonable sin. Truth is, that is how things are implied and twisted in order to support the foundational lie I mentioned in the OP. :)
 
Amen, to the words of God and I believe every one of them. But please show me the verse(s) that say this implied misrepresentation of God's words here--->>>>

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins, and Jesus ain't coming back to do it again. ALL of your sins were in the future when Jesus shed His blood on the Cross.
 
Yes I'm familiar with that verse. How about you?

So in light of this misrepresentation of scripture here--->>>
misrepresentation of scripture is this…… “All future sins are already forgiven no matter what one does.”

How do you justify and support that lie with this Truth shown in God's words here--->>>>

Hebrews 10:26-31

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
 
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins, and Jesus ain't coming back to do it again. ALL of your sins were in the future when Jesus shed His blood on the Cross.

Again, show me the scriptural support for this in red....
But please show me the verse(s) that say this implied misrepresentation of God's words here--->>>> misrepresentation of scripture is this…… “All future sins are already forgiven no matter what one does.”