Building upon a lie

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We know that breaking the speeding laws is against the will of God so it is really sinning. If ISIT speeds and then crashes his car and dies - he will go straight to hell.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Mark 7:7

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
 
And those who willfully sin every day are also not "under grace" because the words of God say under grace sin shall not have dominion over you. So at every turn your own confession of willfully sinning proves you are not truly "in Christ" or "under grace".

You want to take the splinter out of others eyes? First take that log out of your own.
 
I know He does, that's why I bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;(2 Corinthians 10:5):)

Well, ain't you special?? Reminds me of a certain Pharisee the Lord tells us about....


“Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: ‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector! I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
Luke 18:10-14
 
and here you have it, though not being said directly, sinless perfectionism. only a person who thinks they do not sin would rail on this like this. I know first -hand. I have a cousin just like this.

Yes there you have it, more of those words of God--->>>
bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;(2 Corinthians 10:5):)

I am to you rebellious folk such a railer and a hater and a accuser of the brethren because I speak the words of God. :)
 
Yes there you have it, more of those words of God--->>>

I am to you rebellious folk such a railer and a hater and a accuser of the brethren because I speak the words of God. :)

speaking the words of God are fine, great , we should all do more of it. but implying that one does not sin, that EVERY THOUGHT is captured to the obedience of Christ every hour of every day is simply non-truth. that should be our goal, but we need to be honest about that fact that we fall short of that goal.

we should NOT set ourselves up as a " higher moral authority ". this is jugdemental and wrong.
 
Well, ain't you special?? Reminds me of a certain Pharisee the Lord tells us about....

Following these words of God reminds you of that huh?--->>>
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I know He does, that's why I bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;(2 Corinthians 10:5):)
 
Yes there you have it, more of those words of God--->>>

I am to you rebellious folk such a railer and a hater and a accuser of the brethren because I speak the words of God. :)

no, you are just someone who needs to make himself feel better by condemning others, a person that seeks attention by sowing discord among the brethern.
 
speaking the words of God are fine, great , we should all do more of it. but implying that one does not sin, that EVERY THOUGHT is captured to the obedience of Christ every hour of every day is simply non-truth. that should be our goal, but we need to be honest about that fact that we fall short of that goal.

we should NOT set ourselves up as a " higher moral authority ". this is jugdemental and wrong.

Speak for yourself. :)
 
no, you are just someone who needs to make himself feel better by condemning others, a person that seeks attention by sowing discord among the brethern.

Sorry if the words of God offend, but Jesus said blessed are those who are not offended or ashamed of Him and His words. :)
 
Yes there you have it, more of those words of God--->>>

I am to you rebellious folk such a railer and a hater and a accuser of the brethren because I speak the words of God. :)

see, when I say 'I am not sinless and perfect " that is truth, because I am not. you are not either, but you think you are, that is why you flat refuse to say it.

you can try to bully and intimidate all you want, it ain't working.
 
see, when I say 'I am not sinless and perfect " that is truth, because I am not. you are not either, but you think you are, that is why you flat refuse to say it.

you can try to bully and intimidate all you want, it ain't working.

Whose doing the bullying and bearing false witness around here? I quote the words of God and speak the Truth and I am hated for it. That my friend speaks volumes. :)
 
This "sinless perfection in the flesh" man-made doctrine is a "hidden reef" amongst us that will ship-wreck the faith of believers that actually believe that non-spiritually discerned nonsense.

The enemy uses it to discourage people from trusting in the grace and love and finished work of Christ for us that are deeply loved by Him.

If you want to check it out - look at the ungodly behavior that it generates along with the slander and malice towards others in the body of Christ. To those - it is perfectly acceptable behavior. So much for their self-perceived sinless perfection in their flesh.

Brethren we have not learned Christ like this.
 
Whose doing the bullying and bearing false witness around here? I quote the words of God and speak the Truth and I am hated for it. That my friend speaks volumes. :)

you refuse to say that you are not sinless and perfect. none of us are. so by your refusing to say so, you did-qualify your self from truth, because you are taking a non-truthful stance. speaking the Words of God from the Bible is 100% fine. implying that one does not sin, !00% lie.
 
see, when I say 'I am not sinless and perfect " that is truth, because I am not. you are not either, but you think you are, that is why you flat refuse to say it.

you can try to bully and intimidate all you want, it ain't working.

There is a cure for these kinds of unrepentant mindsets. We can still put up scriptures that refute the nonsense that is given out but we can stop interacting with them. They are "hidden reefs" amongst us.

We know what the real purpose is behind all the slander and "baiting". We are not ignorant of these schemes.

Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

[SUP]18[/SUP] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
 
The defenders of the lie and of sin are many, but the defenders of the Truth and of righteousness are few. The defenders of rebellion against God's commands and of wilful sin are speaking from the same spirit of a lie that was from the beginning, that you can sin and not die.

Genesis 3:4

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: