The ever-changing ESV Bible
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In its time, KJV was a great help for English speaking Christians, I think.
What I see now, in our time, KJV has become a great hold-back for many English speaking Christians, forcing many of them to attack every other work on Scriptures translation.
KJV was good, because it was translated from Greek NT.
Today it has the advantage to be translated from traditional majority text (not many such translations today).
But thats all. It should not be an idol, it is not perfect and it is not everlasting. Its only a translation from its time.
Do not worship it, John. Worship the author, not the translators, not the English language not the middle-ages knowledge.
What I see now, in our time, KJV has become a great hold-back for many English speaking Christians, forcing many of them to attack every other work on Scriptures translation.
KJV was good, because it was translated from Greek NT.
Today it has the advantage to be translated from traditional majority text (not many such translations today).
But thats all. It should not be an idol, it is not perfect and it is not everlasting. Its only a translation from its time.
Do not worship it, John. Worship the author, not the translators, not the English language not the middle-ages knowledge.
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I believe the Author is perfect and true. I believe when the Author promised to preserve His pure words for all generations, He meant what He said. God never promised to preserve the Hebrew and Greek words for all generations. I believe what we have today in the KJV is the complete, pure words of God without mixture.
Is there anything you can hold in your hands that you can say without a doubt is the words of God?
Is there anything you can hold in your hands that you can say without a doubt is the words of God?
Statement from Crossway:
Our goal at Crossway remains as strong as ever to serve future generations with a stable ESV text. (Stable means ever changing.) But the means to that goal, we now see, is not to establish a permanent text but rather to allow for ongoing periodic updating of the text to reflect the realities of biblical scholarship such as textual discoveries or changes in English over time. (We will change it as we see fit.)
These kinds of updates will be minimal and infrequent, (See the NIV) but fidelity to Scripture requires that we remain open in principle to such changes, as the Crossway Board of Directors and the ESV Translation Oversight Committee see fit in years ahead. (In other words, we know we didn't get it right and changes will be necessary and please don't trust everything you read in the ESV.)
Crossway is responsible for shepherding and preserving the ESV Bible text,(My Bible says God is responsible for preserving His words for all generations.) as a calling and commission from the Lord; to be undertaken in full consciousness of the fearful responsibility that this entails; which can be accomplished only in complete dependence on the Lord’s grace, mercy, strength, providence, and wisdom; for the glory of God alone."
Our goal at Crossway remains as strong as ever to serve future generations with a stable ESV text. (Stable means ever changing.) But the means to that goal, we now see, is not to establish a permanent text but rather to allow for ongoing periodic updating of the text to reflect the realities of biblical scholarship such as textual discoveries or changes in English over time. (We will change it as we see fit.)
These kinds of updates will be minimal and infrequent, (See the NIV) but fidelity to Scripture requires that we remain open in principle to such changes, as the Crossway Board of Directors and the ESV Translation Oversight Committee see fit in years ahead. (In other words, we know we didn't get it right and changes will be necessary and please don't trust everything you read in the ESV.)
Crossway is responsible for shepherding and preserving the ESV Bible text,(My Bible says God is responsible for preserving His words for all generations.) as a calling and commission from the Lord; to be undertaken in full consciousness of the fearful responsibility that this entails; which can be accomplished only in complete dependence on the Lord’s grace, mercy, strength, providence, and wisdom; for the glory of God alone."
He also never promised anything about the English words, right?
Your belief is wrong as proved many times here on CC.
And your belief in KJV leads you to attacking the work of others, who try to translate Scriptures into English for today.
Fruit of your belief is not good.
The words of God are not to be held in hands like some kind of idol, but in heart.
Your belief is wrong as proved many times here on CC.
And your belief in KJV leads you to attacking the work of others, who try to translate Scriptures into English for today.
Fruit of your belief is not good.
The words of God are not to be held in hands like some kind of idol, but in heart.
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Oddly, I heard Mr. T's voice in my ear when I read that.... lol....
And, you are absolutely correct. But, instead, let's keep talking like ol' Bill Shakespeare....
And, you are absolutely correct. But, instead, let's keep talking like ol' Bill Shakespeare....
Yes..I agree about Bill Shakespeare talk. God listens "better" when we say "O that dwellest between the cherabims - Ancient of days Father of lights - we bequeath that Thou help us".
The Holy Spirit says we cry out instead "Abba Father"!...He is our daddy and He loves us dearly and unconditionally.
Here is a simple treatment on the Archaic words. Study it! Unless your scriptures does not want you to study it...
God bless
Unless your scriptures does not want you to study it...God bless
So, they say you should study/research the old language so you will know what those odd words mean...
In other words, we all have to become translators of old English, in order to understand what Gods "pure words" are...
Or, even worse, we have to rely on OTHER translators' definitions of those words.
So, the search is on for the "pure" translation of old English, in order to understand the "pure" words of the KJV.
I just wonder how many people simply wrote off the Bible as being flawed, and NOT the word of God, after reading about unicorns a couple of hundred years ago.... because a couple of hundred years ago, rhinos were NOT referred to as "unicorns"... and MOST people did not know they ever WERE referred to as that. So, reading a book that purports to be the "word of God" that talks about "unicorns", which all people know are fictional animals....
Language changes over time, and words take on different meanings. God WILL preserve His words... in languages that ALL people can read and understand.
Not to mention the fact that there are hundreds of other languages in the world that have the scriptures in their own language. If it isn't in KJV only - to say it's not the word of God because it is not KJV - is complete spiritual foolishness.
In saying that - I read the KJV a lot as well as other translations and the Greek too but all of this is meaningless without the Holy Spirit illuminating the truth of Christ to me.
To me arguing about the KJV and other translations not being the word of God is on par with trying to find out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Completely useless and fruitless.
In saying that - I read the KJV a lot as well as other translations and the Greek too but all of this is meaningless without the Holy Spirit illuminating the truth of Christ to me.
To me arguing about the KJV and other translations not being the word of God is on par with trying to find out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Completely useless and fruitless.
Did God promise to preserve His pure words for all generations? If you believe that, then where are His preserved words for this generation? Do we have them available to us, pure and holy without mixture?
My belief in the KJV has only been "proven wrong" by opinions.
Believing that I have the words of God is not good? That's idol worship? You have the pure words of God without mixture, every one of them, in your heart? What does that even mean?
My belief in the KJV has only been "proven wrong" by opinions.
Believing that I have the words of God is not good? That's idol worship? You have the pure words of God without mixture, every one of them, in your heart? What does that even mean?
The world thinks it's foolishness too. I have personally spoken with several lost people who argue back that Christians have no absolute truth. We claim the Bible is absolute truth, but they know most Christians don't believe that. What do we have to offer the lost world? Part truth? 80% truth? 95% truth? Truth = 100%. Most on the board claim we don't have 100% truth preserved for us, only in the originals which we don't have. To me, that's spiritual foolishness.
Brother, if you really believed you had the pure words of God preserved in your grasp, you would be just as passionate about it and defending it against all other so called Bibles.
Brother, if you really believed you had the pure words of God preserved in your grasp, you would be just as passionate about it and defending it against all other so called Bibles.
I dont believe it has the meaning you are giving to it. I do not think it is about KJV or a book.
English is a global language only for a few decades. And KJV is obsolete already.
I see no reason why would God made his words "pure" in English instead of e.g. Greek that was spoken for 1500 years in roman empire.
Your belief has no logic, no actual proof and is very strange and very US/UK centered.
English is a global language only for a few decades. And KJV is obsolete already.
I see no reason why would God made his words "pure" in English instead of e.g. Greek that was spoken for 1500 years in roman empire.
Your belief has no logic, no actual proof and is very strange and very US/UK centered.
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