The ever-changing ESV Bible

[Zmouth]

Like the word 'worship'; it no longer means placing value as in one's substance or treasure in the Word but it means to glorify the LORD with one's heart by the praise from their lips.

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:"
Isaiah 29:13

Seeing that a man can receive nothing except he receive it from heaven [Matt 6:21] then those who were taught to read the words in the scriptures can teach themselves what the words in the scripture mean. So of course you don't worship the LORD by receiving the Gospel with your treasure which fits with what is written in Matthew 6:21 and Luke 12:34.

So another example is the new copyrighted Bibles that teach insects were made on the fifth day in order to translate Leviticus 11:20 as flying insects since the KJV must have got it wrong because they can't understand how it could be a fowl which creeps going upon all four would be an abomination to eat since they can eat anything they want to, thus it is vanity.

So the unicorn is a beast with two horns, seeing that they translated unicorn into bull, yet having never seen one everyone knows a unicorn is a beast with one horn. So if man was formed of the dust of the ground, then what was the most subtil beast that the LORD God had made formed of?

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: Eccl 3:19





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[eph610]

When you got saved, where you trusting in the book that told you about the Saviour, or the Saviour of the book? Can the two be separated?

When I got saved it was by the utter conviction of the Holy Spirit showing me the need for a Savior<<<<<<<<<<Just like the Word made flesh said he would do.

The Word made Flesh is not a copy of the KJV Bible.....

 

[hornetguy]

I can handle atheist Christ haters mocking the Bible about Unicorns but when i see Christians mocking the Bible because of unicorns i start to feel nauseous..

[video=youtube;7BNsjsbJLaM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BNsjsbJLaM[/video]

who was mocking the Bible about unicorns?

 

[Zmouth]

Oddly, I heard Mr. T's voice in my ear when I read that.... lol....

LOL..I too heard Mr. T's voice.

Why do did you believe you heard Mr. T's voice when you read the quote "I pity the fool"?

Ah, so faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of Mr. T otherwise you might have heard the voice of Laurence Tureaud.

Yes..I agree about Bill Shakespeare talk. God listens "better" when we say "O that dwellest between the cherabims - Ancient of days Father of lights - we bequeath that Thou help us".

You got a point there, since the new translations use the singular cherubim.



But it could have been that Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden that they went W since if they went W then Cain would have went back to the Garden after slaying Abel.

 

[Zmouth]

When I got saved it was by the utter conviction of the Holy Spirit showing me the need for a Savior<<<<<<<<<<Just like the Word made flesh said he would do.

Showing you? Did showing you involve the words written in the Bible?

The Word made Flesh is not a copy of the KJV Bible.....

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: Genesis 6:3

 

[hornetguy]

Why do did you believe you heard Mr. T's voice when you read the quote "I pity the fool"?

Well..... because....

 

[eph610]

[/COLOR]Showing you? Did showing you involve the words written in the Bible?



And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: Genesis 6:3

No, I did not need the Bible to come to Jesus let alone a KJV Bible.....Gasp what!?!?!?

 

[Willie-T]

I guess, for some people, it is very important to speak in the same language God uses.

[video]https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=three+little+pigs+sha&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS640US640&q=three+little+pigs+shakespeare&gs_l=hp..0.0l5.0.0.0.20688...........0.yncGjc6FsHQ[/video]

 

[John146]

When I got saved it was by the utter conviction of the Holy Spirit showing me the need for a Savior<<<<<<<<<<Just like the Word made flesh said he would do.

The Word made Flesh is not a copy of the KJV Bible.....

Faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The gospel has to be involved in salvation and the only way we know about the gospel is through the words of God.

 

[John146]

No, I did not need the Bible to come to Jesus let alone a KJV Bible.....Gasp what!?!?!?

You didn't get save through the truth of the gospel? How do we know anything about that truth?

 

[Gr8grace]

The ever-changing, unsettled, wavering, shifting standard of truth of the ESV Bible. Look at the statements made by crossway:

https://www.crossway.org/blog/2016/09/crossway-statement-on-the-esv-bible-text/

Yeah, the translators notes in 1611 KJV has a similar message. They told all to compare and use various versions to get the best possible understanding of Gods Word. To their knowledge they did a good job, but they knew that they were just human's handling Gods word that was completed in 96AD.

 

[Dino246]

... You got a point there, since the new translations use the singular cherubim.

A side note: "cherubim" is a transliterated word, not a translated word, and is already in plural form. The suffix "im" in Hebrew usually indicates plurality. English has no word for these entities, so the word is transliterated.

 

[Zmouth]

A side note: "cherubim" is a transliterated word, not a translated word, and is already in plural form. The suffix "im" in Hebrew usually indicates plurality. English has no word for these entities, so the word is transliterated.

Thanks for the comment, definitely something to ponder.

So if cherubim is transliterated in the plural form then what is a cherub?
[SUP]keruwb (ker-oob'); of uncertain derivation; a cherub or imaginary figure:[/SUP]
Being written in English not sure how the 'im' applies to words written in English considering the verse in Exodus 25:19.
"And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof."

But I will yield to your superior knowledge on the subject since I thought God made two great lights from the flaming sword that turned every which way and set them in the firmament of the earth to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

[Zmouth]

I guess, for some people, it is very important to speak in the same language God uses.

[video]https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=three+little+pigs+sha&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS640US640&q=three+little+pigs+shakespeare&gs_l=hp..0.0l5.0.0.0.20688...........0.yncGjc6FsHQ[/video]

Sounds like semantics to me since God is Light which in truth is neither Spirit nor Word, who together are one LORD.

 

[Zmouth]

Well..... because....

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LOL, right that is a picture of Laurence Tureaud.

Just because you read that it was Mr. T in the video doesn't make it true, it was actually Clubber Lang in the video who coined the catchphrase in the film Rocky III when asked if he hates Rocky, Chubber replies, "No, I don't hate Balboa, but I pity the fool."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJnKm6ftPu0

 

[Angela53510]

When you got saved, where you trusting in the book that told you about the Saviour, or the Saviour of the book? Can the two be separated?

Before I got saved, I was reading a modern Catholic version of the Bible. I knew nothing, just that I wanted a translation that I could read, and I got it in a regular bookstore. However, I could not understand what it was about. I kept putting circles around things I did not understand and question marks in the margins. That New American Bible was one of the best translations I have ever read. I do not read it because I did not like the RCC study comments. But when I took New Testament Survey, we had to read the Intertestimental books to gain a little knowledge about the history between Malachi and Matthew. After I was saved, I understood what the Bible was about, because I had met the author of the book!

God just told me he was the Saviour of the world and that I would serve him. And I did! About 30 or so years later, I realized that he was paraphrasing John 3:16. Imagine that, God paraphrasing, putting it into the simpliest language so I could live understand.

God saves us, not a book! But God does use many things to save us, and that can include a Bible. In Muslim countries, God uses visions and dreams to save people. My World Religions professor was on Sabbatical from being a missionary in Indonesia. He said he would develop relationships with the people, and then they would come to him with a dream they had about Jesus, and he would lead them to the Lord.

Oh, they never read the KJV, because they spoke Indonesian. And God saved them, anyway! Fancy that!

 

[hornetguy]

LOL, right that is a picture of Laurence Tureaud.

Just because you read that it was Mr. T in the video doesn't make it true, it was actually Clubber Lang in the video who coined the catchphrase in the film Rocky III when asked if he hates Rocky, Chubber replies, "No, I don't hate Balboa, but I pity the fool."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJnKm6ftPu0

Yes.....that is correct. I just always call him Mr. T....

James "Clubber" Lang is a fictional character created by Sylvester Stallone for the film Rocky III, which was released in 1982. Wikipedia



Played by: Mr. T

 

[Dino246]

You didn't get save through the truth of the gospel? How do we know anything about that truth?

God can use even the "meanest" translation (or the original languages), or even no written text whatsoever. The gospel is not bound to the KJV. The Bible is a true record of the gospel, but people were getting saved before the Bible was complete, and often merely by hearing, not reading.

While it is true that some people come to saving faith through reading Scripture, many don't come that way, so your argument doesn't hold. If people only came to saving faith through reading the KJV, your position would be valid. They don't, and it isn't. We come by many influences and primarily by the work of the Holy Spirit. Unless you want to argue (pointlessly) that those who come to faith any way except by reading the KJV aren't truly saved, you must concede that God doesn't need the KJV to save people or to teach them the whole truth.

 

[Willie-T]

God can use even the "meanest" translation (or the original languages), or even no written text whatsoever. The gospel is not bound to the KJV. The Bible is a true record of the gospel, but people were getting saved before the Bible was complete, and often merely by hearing, not reading.

While it is true that some people come to saving faith through reading Scripture, many don't come that way, so your argument doesn't hold. If people only came to saving faith through reading the KJV, your position would be valid. They don't, and it isn't. We come by many influences and primarily by the work of the Holy Spirit. Unless you want to argue (pointlessly) that those who come to faith any way except by reading the KJV aren't truly saved, you must concede that God doesn't need the KJV to save people or to teach them the whole truth.

Interestingly, almost no one (or maybe no one at all... I'm not really sure.) was saved in the new testament by just reading Scripture.

 

[hornetguy]

The only one that comes close is the Ethiopian eunuch... who was reading scripture. But he was having a hard time understanding it... (probably reading a KJV)... and still had to have Philip explain it to him...