Building upon a lie

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They preach a different Jesus, a different faith, a different grace, a different repentance, a different confession, & a different Paul. It's antichrist.

Nonsense....as usual and has been shown over and over again. Some things may "conflict" with your Pentecostal beliefs and church upbringing - but that is the nature of the beast.

I know....because when I first inquired of things - it did my religious beliefs too.
 
You're saying that a 5 yr old can understand hypergrace? We have old adults on here that is still confused by it. Those that know hypergrace know it's the worst heresy since OSAS..... definitely 3 times worse, IMO.

I've seen PJ on here for over a year & he's usually polite..... more than me. He posts by himself, doesn't have a following, & bothers nobody. Yet you come at him.

Lots of people came after both Jesus & Paul, but it wasn't for a blessing. They couldn't stand their words.

That's what I see here..... you can't stand his words. It's like kicking & screaming at a dog that doesn't bark or bite.
Wow. Why you come at me??? I post by myself also. It also appears you cannot read. Where did I say anything about a five year old in relation to hyper grace? If you cannot respond to me without completely twisting what I say then please don't bother. I suppose you did it because you cannot stand my words. Hmmm. Yes, I see how that works. You are kicking and screaming at me like a dog with no teeth due to the falseness of your reply.
 
I have a real problem with the above statement to believe a christian could write it.
Ofcourse I believe our sins are forgiven in Christ, I follow Jesus.

So here is someone saying he follows Jesus yet has no problem lying.
Now for those who say they want to get right with God, walk sincerely and correctly,
with integrity and honesty, this is just hypocracy.

The second lie is I accuse people of wanting to sin all the time.
I testify only to peoples own description of their own lives. I am speaking the truth.
It is amazing how someone who himself has taken part in such discussion would lie
about them. But then when lying is second nature to ones lifestyle, I expect nothing
more.

So I wonder why other people respect you to any degree what so ever.

But then that is the point about liars, there is never a point of realisation, oh that was
a lie, it is all about propoganda and winning the argument through any means available.

But the problem with truth, is it is not a person, it is eternal, and it finds everyone out.
So I just stand here speaking the truth, and the truth sets to work.

It is interesting how many disputes I have been in when my enemies have tried to corner
me only to be hit harder by their own lies. Not a good strategy, but then the enemy has
always been defeated in Christ.
You of all people should know he's not working alone. Why are people so drawn to heresy & their speakers?
2thes. 2:8Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,10and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. (sinning willfully)

Supernatural power to deceive. Satan gives it to his faithful.
 
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Wow. Why you come at me??? I post by myself also. It also appears you cannot read. Where did I say anything about a five year old in relation to hyper grace? If you cannot respond to me without completely twisting what I say then please don't bother. I suppose you did it because you cannot stand my words. Hmmm. Yes, I see how that works. You are kicking and screaming at me like a dog with no teeth due to the falseness of your reply.
Probably needs more fiber in his diet.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Wow. Why you come at me??? I post by myself also. It also appears you cannot read. Where did I say anything about a five year old in relation to hyper grace? If you cannot respond to me without completely twisting what I say then please don't bother. I suppose you did it because you cannot stand my words. Hmmm. Yes, I see how that works. You are kicking and screaming at me like a dog with no teeth due to the falseness of your reply.


Probably needs more fiber in his diet.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Here is a good resource for fiber.


 
You obviously have no idea of what is really being said about repentance. I will give this out again - most likely for the 20th time - let alone all the other times others have written about repentance.

Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance

Prince doesn't preach repentance to christians, for their time of repenting is over.

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YOU WERE SAYING?
 

Here is a good resource for fiber.

I would always recommend people to eat a lot of fibre with their food, it helps with the
natural passage of digestion, separating the good food from the waste.

The Holy Spirit really helps showing that which agrees with His word and that which is
heresy, but then people who are blind cannot see the difference.
 
Prince doesn't preach repentance to christians, for their time of repenting is over.

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YOU WERE SAYING?

LOL....you need to read post # 518

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/142440-building-upon-lie-26.html#post2821602

And post # 520

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/142440-building-upon-lie-26.html#post2821609


When you read those then maybe you can stop your "twisting" and also will stop your repeated attempts at slandering others in the body of Christ. Hopefully it is because of the ignorance in you and you really don't know what is being said and so you interpret what is said incorrectly. Hopefully that is the case.
 
Wow. Why you come at me??? I post by myself also. It also appears you cannot read. Where did I say anything about a five year old in relation to hyper grace? If you cannot respond to me without completely twisting what I say then please don't bother. I suppose you did it because you cannot stand my words. Hmmm. Yes, I see how that works. You are kicking and screaming at me like a dog with no teeth due to the falseness of your reply.
You wrote this, didn't you?
Who claims sin is not destructive or that it is irrelevant? The FACT is you sin and everyone else sins so whatever you have to say after that fact is moot aside from the fact that our sins are forgiven because of the grace of God. Trying to erect some wall between you and someone who has a different understanding of how the grace of God operates is an enterprise you have been engaged in for how long now? I don't see anything changing here. Going to heaven is not even a viable Scriptural concept. It is a five year old child's level of understanding.
That "different understanding of grace" he's against IS hypergrace. And if your idea of "going to heaven" is believing this damnable doctrine, which I've seen you stand for its proponents, then there you have it.

And nooo..... I'm not kicking & screaming..... yet.:)
 
Maybe you should try Grace, instead of hypergrace.



What I described leaves you speechless because it has exploded your brain cells...you have no answer for what I said, because you have never truly encountered empowering grace......and you are stuck in a real rock and hard place...you cannot deny one single thing I said, but your mind says otherwise, because decades of religious tradition tell you it cannot be that easy....there is no way that Jesus operates this way....

There is no such thing as hyper grace....there is saving grace and when you come to full age you enter into empowering grace, Peter called it the manifold grace of God....empowering grace helps do in your spirit what you can never do in your flesh, and is something conditional and works based Salvation theologians like you use to keep yourself and everyone around you in bondage...

You are still stuck at saving grace and how you must earn the grace Father gave freely through the finished work of his son...
Come on man, enter into maturity and rest in his empowering grace, which is best defined in Titus 2.11-15

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, [SUP]12 [/SUP]instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, [SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.


Did you know that if you cannot enter into rest it is because of disbelief? One day you will stand before Jesus and tell him all the works you did and he will say....depart I never knew you<<<<<<<<<<<<<<The Greek word knew means the same thing as the Hebrew word knew and it is intimacy between a husband and wife....

Jesus is telling us that those that strive with good works and do things in his name, but had no intimate relationship with him he will not acknowledge or approve of....This is rightly divided with what he says in Revelation....I would rather you be hot or cold, but not luke warm....luke warm is doing all those good works you try to shove on others to maintain salvation, your holiness, purity and righteousness....but you never entered into empowering grace, without empowering grace you cannot have true intimacy with Jesus and without that, you cannot know Father....being hot or cold means you are doing something in the relationship...


How tragic for you that you have no clue that your freedom is not found in what you do, but resting in what Jesus already did.
 
The Holy Spirit really helps showing that which agrees with His word and that which is
heresy, but then people who are blind cannot see the difference.
That is why I encourage you to speak properly of heaven. You set yourself up as a teacher but then talk of going to heaven like someone with no Scriptural understanding of it. Our resurrected life following the judgement of all is to be lived on Earth unless you are one of the 144,000.
 
HG takes grace and makes holiness, the christian walk, purity, transformation irrelevant.
It has a mystical theology, where we are actually a perfect eternal spirit in a sinful flesh
body, which we must come to realise to grow in maturity.

This is closer to gnostic teaching, and put the emphasis on emotional and spiritual experiences
rather than working on ones life, walking in good works and righteousness, and witnessing to
Christs love in our hearts.

Most were resistant to sharing on transformation within and the power of love set free, but
on continual sin and failure and realising Christ has done everything.

Scripture and contexts no longer matter, they redefine biblical terms to their own ends
which contradict the very roots from which they came. It is hard not to oppose such
a position which crosses so many lines and changes the gospel into a greed, self indulgence
fest.

Is righteousness, purity and holiness based on POSITION or SELF-PERFORMANCE?
 
The Greek present tense primarily implies kind of action - that is - ongoing continued action. It actually has little to do with "present" time.

The context is critical to interpretation, but context does not negate the verb tense that the Greek text was written in.

You mention that the "if" phrase means to look at what is front of the verse -- correct - good point

The previous verse 25 talks about Christian gathering together and encouraging one another - Why? Because the judgment day is coming - and if we keep on sinning willfully then . . .

Gotta go Deeper Chester....
 
Is righteousness, purity and holiness based on POSITION or SELF-PERFORMANCE?

There are two perspectives on this issue.
The Lord looks at us after we are washed by Christ and His shed blood.
Our faith is reconned as righteousness.

Then we have our walk, which is empowered by the Spirit, and this is us and our progress.
This can be righteous and pure or sinful and failed.

Without faith we are lost, but with faith God cleanses us when we repent and get right with
Him again.

But this is our walk with Jesus, it is not us being ignored and only Jesus being seen.
 
There are two perspectives on this issue.
The Lord looks at us after we are washed by Christ and His shed blood.
Our faith is reconned as righteousness.

Then we have our walk, which is empowered by the Spirit, and this is us and our progress.
This can be righteous and pure or sinful and failed.

Without faith we are lost, but with faith God cleanses us when we repent and get right with
Him again.

But this is our walk with Jesus, it is not us being ignored and only Jesus being seen.


There is only 1 answer Peter and zero perspectives and you come up short, by trying to intermingle self-performance with position

Which is it?...the Bible says there is only 1 answer....the Bible deals in absolutes not perspectives...
 
Till you get to what you want to find?

I'll stick with the straightforward Word of God . . . :)

Come on Chester...if you want to go to heaven you have to be 100% right on everything!...lol

Now here is where we could say "Are you being manipulative in saying "I'll stick with the straight forward word of God."

This means that your interpretation is what the word of God is really saying and not what the other person is saying it is - well because it is "straight forward".....just teasing ya'....:)....this is kind of like the same principle as when you asked me a similar question that we joked about.

The reality is that "we all think we are interpreting the word of God straight forward".

We all know that without the Holy Spirit showing us the truth - we don't have a clue as our so-called straight forward look at the word doesn't necessarily mean it is the correct one.

We all know in part and we all need each other. You have parts that we need and others have parts that you need.

Together the Holy Spirit puts things together for us as we depend totally on Him. Line upon line and precept upon precept.

 
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There are two perspectives on this issue.
The Lord looks at us after we are washed by Christ and His shed blood.
Our faith is reconned as righteousness.

Then we have our walk, which is empowered by the Spirit, and this is us and our progress.
This can be righteous and pure or sinful and failed.

Without faith we are lost, but with faith God cleanses us when we repent and get right with
Him again.

But this is our walk with Jesus, it is not us being ignored and only Jesus being seen.


I would argue that this isn't two perspectives, but the reality of our walk once we are washed clean and born again :)
Same understanding really, since this is based on a grace lens and the finished work of Christ on the cross.
As new born again creations, washed clean from our past sins, now we walk forward in our race of faith/sanctification process, hear what the Lord tells us to do, and obey :) Isn't His grace amazing :)

Colossians 2:6 NKJV
6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

Ephesians 5:8-9 NKJV
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.