Poll - Who won the first Trump/Clinton debate?

[KimPetras]

Bottom line: Hillary won.

I think she won the debate too, but she hasn't "won" the war yet.

Then again, this is like the American civil war... there aren't going to be any real "winners" considering the amount of life lost between brothers and sisters. The North winning was the best case scenario... Hillary isn't the best case scenario.

 

[peacenik]

Liberal. Lol. Try again.

Yup. Christians liberals such as Catholics and Lutherans love him and proclaim him as their own.


Funny thing is right wing evangelical "Christians" are now claiming Trump is one of them. But the facts show otherwise:





Evangelical contortions to support Donald Trump are a travesty against Christianity



Many religious leaders are causing the destruction of religion itself. Why? Many have merged politics, religion, and capitalism as the definition of Christianity itself. It’s true that Pope Francis is attempting to reintroduce a lost morality, but he is only one man—and he may be too late to reach American Evangelicals.

Evangelicals contort themselves into knots to find justifications to vote for Donald Trump and consider him one of their own. Still, conservative radio personality Steve Deace described him as anathema to all their values in a piece he wrote warning Christian leaders about the hypocrisy of voting for Donald Trump.

Furthermore, the Scriptures make clear the qualifications for public office:
Moreover, look for able men from all the people, men who fear God, who are trustworthy and hate a bribe, and place such men over the people as chiefs of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties, and of tens.
There is simply no way to avoid the conclusion that Trump violates every syllable of these requirements.

Now that we’ve addressed the biblical case, what about the moral one?

• Trump is a scam artist.
• Trump is a gossip.
• Trump is a slanderer.
• Trump is a misogynist.
• Trump is an adulterer.
• Trump is a deceiver.
• Trump is a liar.

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Deace forgot to include the fact that Trump is an unfettered capitalist. To Donald Trump, capitalism is not a tool but an ideology, his religion. While it can serve us well as a tool when controlled, as a religion it is anathema to humanity.
But then, many evangelical pastors have validated capitalism as a God-sanctioned and divine economic decree.



David Hope, pastor of the Word of Life Church in Texas, wrote an essay in the Kingwood Observer that would give Pope Francis pause. The piece, titled “Jesus is not a socialist,” was an attempt not only to justify the severe inequities of unfettered capitalism, but to promote them.
Hope tried to justify an unequal pie with the following statement.

Capitalism is like the kingdom of God. Everyone has an opportunity to make it to the top, but there won’t be equal outcomes. When government tries to manufacture equal outcomes, it brings everyone down. As people concentrate on the sizes of the pieces of the pie, the pie just keeps getting smaller. All the pieces get smaller and equal outcomes are still not achieved.

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His simplistic statement does not take into account that those with inherited or ill-gained capital have a built-in advantage that, barring redistribution through taxes or some other method, is unsustainable. Had Jesus seen the crowds as undeserving, he would have extracted the last pittance for his magical fish and bread.
David Hope then makes a very disingenuous statement based on today's reality.

Capitalism is the most compassionate system. Capitalism is the best way to reduce poverty. It gives every man a chance to succeed, and it promotes wealth into the hands of those who serve others and have a heart to give to those less fortunate.
It increases individual wealth, thus allowing individuals to give out of their increase. God has designed the needs of the poor to be met by Christians, not by the government. Government’s bureaucratic shuffling of wealth accomplishes nothing.


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Where in the tenets of capitalism are humanity, compassion, and generosity mentioned? Does Donald Trump fit the profile? Has he empowered and enriched others? Or did he simply use others as commodities to support his lifestyle of legalized theft? The pastor pulled a verifiable lie out of the air to misinform those who view his statements as fact.
This form of thinking is prevalent throughout the evangelical realm in the United States. It has taken too long for the Christian class to speak up about the destruction unfettered capitalism renders on the poor, the environment, and the world structure. The beloved Pope blasted the door wide open with his justifiable attack.
But then there is always the next media darling, ready to justify a system of legalized theft and commoditized humanity. Dave Ramsey thinks it’s heresy not to see a biblical justification for the wealthy few. Why is it heresy, according to him? Because God owns it all. He simply anointed a select few as managers of the wealth. Dave Ramsey made some other rather strange statements.
“This is about when you do things biblical with money,” Ramsey said. “You will end up with the responsibility to manage money for the kingdom.” He says this with authority and a straight face. Has he forgotten the thousands of investment bankers, loan officers, and investors who got rich and remain rich by pilfering the middle class, even as they brought the world’s economy to collapse? Are those God’s money managers? Is it really heresy to call them all out?
Many on the right get perturbed when one points out that Donald Trump is their creation. He absorbed the dichotomy of the right’s ideology and became its personification. Yes, it is incoherent. Yes, it is self-oppositional. But that is the evangelical right, now an outgrowth of the Powell Manifesto. It’s the right as brought to you by Donald Trump—and it may mean the eventual demise of religion.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

America will win because the people will eventually take this nation back from tyranny. There is an old story about an elephant. The elephant was just a baby and chained up to a stake. The stake was as big as he was. No matter how hard he pulled at this stake, it would never budge. So for years the elephant would walk in circles. Testing his chains began to make him lose hope. So the elephant gave up and the years went by until he was fully grown. The elephant lost hope a long time ago and now was 5x the size of the stake. But because the elephant had gotten so use to its chains, he never thought maybe this one time could set him free. So he stayed chained up and was sadly comfortable in his prison. Why? Because it was all the elephant ever knew.

America has been losing its freedom to liberals for years. We are not free any more. We have only grown comfortable to our chains. We slowly have lost our freedom and if Hillary is chosen then we must not allow America to become the adult elephant who gave up. Or America the land of the free will only be history.

 

[peacenik]

America has been losing its freedom to liberals for years. We are not free any more.

Liberals ended slavery.
They defeated Hitler & Stalin.
Gave us Social Security.
Ended child labor.
Provided regulatory agencies that protect against bad medicines, bad foods, and pollution.


Conservatives never gave us any of these. The only gave freedom to elitists to tyrannize everyone else.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Liberals ended slavery.
They defeated Hitler & Stalin.
Gave us Social Security.
Ended child labor.
Provided regulatory agencies that protect against bad medicines, bad foods, and pollution.


Conservatives never gave us any of these. The only gave freedom to elitists to tyrannize everyone else.

Liberals only half way cared about slavery. They only wanted to make a good looking reason to go to war. They mostly didn't want to lose all the agriculture benefits from the confederate states who wanted to leave the US. The Union could not let the south do this out of economical reasons. My family fought for the Confederate army. Did we own slaves ? No, we did not, actually only a very small percent did. Slaves were expensive. African Americans fought for the south also. The south saw the road this country was heading and wanted out. Sounds similar today. I am not supporting slavery only saying slavery was just the cover up.

And I am pretty sure both liberals and conservatives defeated both Hitler. It was kinda a whole country thing lol


And I don't feel like looking the other stuff you mentioned but that's okay there is nothing anyone can say to make me think like a liberal.

 

[RickyZ]

Who won the Presidential debate?

I don't care who won the debate. I just know that with either of these two clowns WE LOSE!!!

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I don't care who won the debate. I just know that with either of these two clowns WE LOSE!!!

Third party candidates are not any better. Their stance on issues is ridiculous compared to Trump.

 

[RickyZ]

Actually, I like Chris Keniston of the Veterans Party. Sounds a lot like Trump, without the head-up-his-@ss component.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Actually, I like Chris Keniston of the Veterans Party. Sounds a lot like Trump, without the head-up-his-@ss component.

Never heard of him though.

 

[RickyZ]

That's because people are brainwashed to think there are only 2 choices.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I have only heard of Johnson and stien. That's 4 choices. But the third party is a wasted vote no time ever in history has the 3rd party been chosen. To my conclusion it will either be Trump or Clinton.

 

[peacenik]

Liberals only half way cared about slavery. They only wanted to make a good looking reason to go to war. They mostly didn't want to lose all the agriculture benefits from the confederate states who wanted to leave the US. The Union could not let the south do this out of economical reasons. My family fought for the Confederate army. Did we own slaves ? No, we did not, actually only a very small percent did. Slaves were expensive. African Americans fought for the south also. The south saw the road this country was heading and wanted out. Sounds similar today. I am not supporting slavery only saying slavery was just the cover up.

And I am pretty sure both liberals and conservatives defeated both Hitler. It was kinda a whole country thing lol


And I don't feel like looking the other stuff you mentioned but that's okay there is nothing anyone can say to make me think like a liberal.

Conservatives didn't care about ending slavery at all.

As for liberals, think of people like FDR, HST, JFK, MLK, Gandhi, Thomas Merton, the Pope, and a few others and you will see why they are a great class of people.

 

[tanakh]

Some of your answers remind me of the remain people who lost the EU referendom here last summer. We had a clear majority in favour of leaving but they are still whining about it like kids deprived of their candy

 

[peacenik]

Some of your answers remind me of the remain people who lost the EU referendom here last summer. We had a clear majority in favour of leaving but they are still whining about it like kids deprived of their candy

Not quite sure what you are referring to but perhaps you might be aware that while there are more registered Democrats, Republicans tend to vote more. Some say this may be attributed to polls closing early or Dem votes not being counted for whatever reason. But the actual answer is not known.

As for whining about losing their candy, Republicans made it known that their intention was to make Mr Obama a one term president. In their attempt to make his administration a failure, they proved to be the actual failures.

 

[Tommy379]

Not quite sure what you are referring to but perhaps you might be aware that while there are more registered Democrats, Republicans tend to vote more. Some say this may be attributed to polls closing early or Dem votes not being counted for whatever reason. But the actual answer is not known.

As for whining about losing their candy, Republicans made it known that their intention was to make Mr Obama a one term president. In their attempt to make his administration a failure, they proved to be the actual failures.

Even Billy Bob Clinton knows Obama's greatest achievement has been a failure.

Bill Clinton on Obamacare: 'The craziest thing in the world' - LA Times

 

[popeye]

[video=youtube;VMFtZtd9Am4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMFtZtd9Am4[/video]

 

[peacenik]

Even Billy Bob Clinton knows Obama's greatest achievement has been a failure.

Bill Clinton on Obamacare: 'The craziest thing in the world' - LA Times

Clinton was calling for a public option and universal health care which is what was called for during the 2008 DNC.

 

[Tommy379]

Clinton was calling for a public option and universal health care which is what was called for during the 2008 DNC.

Not according to the democrat run la times who wrote the article.

 

[peacenik]

Not according to the democrat run la times who wrote the article.

You forgot that it was Hillary who called for that during his administration back in the early 2000s. He stands by it to this day.

 

[Tommy379]

Where's Mitspa been? I don't know what the polls been doing without him.