What is the strong delusion that would cause people to believe a lie?

[Hawkins]

I think the strong delusion is evolution. Because most of the world believes it, even many Christians.

I believe that it actually goes far beyond that. Satan introduced the lie through our education system (personally I believe that it's the 666) such that everyone without exception (i.e., except for Christians) is infected by the secular mindset (and for them to fight God). People today believe the lie that we should examine the evidence, that is scientifically, before we should believe anything. This turns out to be the biggest flat lie, as this is completely not how our reality works.

Scientifically speaking, most of us don't even have the evidence that earth is actually revolving around the sun or black holes exist. In reality, we don't examine evidence to establish what we believe. While certain kind of truth such as human history as a whole is virtually unsupported by evidence. History is basically made up of human accounts of witnessing which are mostly unsupported by evidence. You can actually grab randomly a history book to go through chapter by chapter then ask which chapter is actually supported by evidence. It's basically none!

 

[miknik5]

When HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way, the things which we long held to as constant, will no longer hold...

In that day, there will be those who will not understand that even in HIS natural every day GRACE upon all HIS CREATION, HE, in HIS GOODNESS, held things back from us so that we were never completely destroyed.

And when HE is taken out of the way, there will be those who will recognize this TRUTH...and then there will be those who won't...who will not repent, but will rather "curse/blame" GOD for the evil that will run rampant in that day

 

[Adstar]

This topic has been on the mind and heart of my wife and I lately. It is because we have been prompted to pray about this more and more. Not just for ourselves, but others.

It is simply our desire to not be deceived and we know that only God can prevent this. It is our desire that no one would fall prey to any deception and be caught off guard when it comes to God's plan for his people.

The question as to what is the lie that is warned about in 2 Thessalonians 2 has come up a lot lately.

Through prayer and meditating on this, we discovered that the answer is located right in that same chapter.

I have heard a lot of theories about what the lie is about. I just wanted to present this for others to study and discuss.

I have opened this topic as a place to discuss 2 Thessalonians 2. What is written there? What does it say not to be misled about?

Please try to refrain from debate about what you believe and stick to what is written in those scriptures. I hope that this will come to others as a blessing that might give understanding on this topic.

Grace and peace be to all of you through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

That is my favouite portion of scripture it says way the deceived will be deceived.. Because they have rejected the Love of the truth and i believe that is the Gospel message that we are saved 100% by grace received as a loving gift from God.. The scripture in question also says that God will send those who are to be deceived strong delusion so that they will believe the Lie.. I believe the lie will be that people will believe that the Wicked One (anti-christ) is the returned Messiah Jesus or for the Jews their long awaited Messiah.. Because this Wicked one will be able to perform lying signs and wonders to make people think that he must be off God or from God.. In the end the Bible says he will be worshiped by the deceived because they will believe he is God..

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here is thread I wrote which has to with the covering cherub "he" being taken out of the way, the mystery of iniquity having an end, and ungodliness finally being removed from Israel=Jacob---->>>>http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...odliness-removed-every-eye-shall-see-him.html

 

[Yet]

The information we are not to accept is someone giving a wrong order as to how it will occur. They had been deceived by someone who told them the day of Lord had already begun.

So he reiterated the order. First, the apostasy/forsaking/departure. (We aren't really given what this is forsaking is or who it is who does the forsaking until the later verse.) And then, AFTER this departure/forsaking, THEN the man of lawlessness will be revealed.
And he said, you KNOW what is restraining him from appearing, but once the Restrainer steps out of the way/departs/no longer restrains, only then can he be revealed.

The falling away is clearly shown us in the word. Started about 1800 years ago. Paul warnd that wolves would take over the ecclesia after his death. See my threads. One mark of this apostasy is that most of the believers would buck and rebel against anyone who dare try to clear the record by submitting scripture to the fact.

Who does take on this ministry of reformation, God will provide full armor and crash helmet......you'll need it.

 

[garee]

This topic has been on the mind and heart of my wife and I lately. It is because we have been prompted to pray about this more and more. Not just for ourselves, but others.

It is simply our desire to not be deceived and we know that only God can prevent this. It is our desire that no one would fall prey to any deception and be caught off guard when it comes to God's plan for his people.

The question as to what is the lie that is warned about in 2 Thessalonians 2 has come up a lot lately.

Through prayer and meditating on this, we discovered that the answer is located right in that same chapter.

I have heard a lot of theories about what the lie is about. I just wanted to present this for others to study and discuss.

I have opened this topic as a place to discuss 2 Thessalonians 2. What is written there? What does it say not to be misled about?

Please try to refrain from debate about what you believe and stick to what is written in those scriptures. I hope that this will come to others as a blessing that might give understanding on this topic.

Grace and peace be to all of you through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

Anything that is not of Christ's faith working in us....... is sin.The beginning of the strong delusion.

Anything that does not come by the same spirit of faith according as it is written will receive a strong delusion from God to believe the lie. Every time a Christian sins in unbelief God sends one. But because he cannot deny himself that he has finished all the work necessary to forgive all our sin. He sends a spirit of repentance ....turning us toward his voice so that we can repent. and continue the relationship they do have with God until the last day on earth. .

The unbeliever hears no call to repentance and will not turn and therefore cannot not repent

Either Christ does all the work of salvation or He has accomplished nothing.

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth Jer 31:18

 

[Tintin]

I believe that it actually goes far beyond that. Satan introduced the lie through our education system (personally I believe that it's the 666) such that everyone without exception (i.e., except for Christians) is infected by the secular mindset (and for them to fight God). People today believe the lie that we should examine the evidence, that is scientifically, before we should believe anything. This turns out to be the biggest flat lie, as this is completely not how our reality works.

Scientifically speaking, most of us don't even have the evidence that earth is actually revolving around the sun or black holes exist. In reality, we don't examine evidence to establish what we believe. While certain kind of truth such as human history as a whole is virtually unsupported by evidence. History is basically made up of human accounts of witnessing which are mostly unsupported by evidence. You can actually grab randomly a history book to go through chapter by chapter then ask which chapter is actually supported by evidence. It's basically none!

I think we can broaden the delusion to cultural Marxism (which incorporates much), but non-Christians certainly look at the same evidence as Christians. They just begin with different presuppositions (based on their worldview) and so they arrive at different conclusions. That's the problem, really. There are only two worldviews - that belonging to God and that belonging to mankind.

 

[Stephen63]

I think the strong delusion is evolution. Because most of the world believes it, even many Christians.

No, it's false doctrine, because it's at the core of the falling away.

 

[Stephen63]

Believers cannot be deceived by this delusion. That is why the Holy Spirit is in us as believers. When the church is taken from the earth prior to the great tribulation the delusion will come upon the world and almost deceive the elect of God who is Israel.

Believers as in the church that is the body and bride of Christ will not be deceived.

Because of all the false professors and false teachers in the world the ground work for this deception is well under way. A socializing evangelism and no biblical discipleship will doubtless make many defenseless against the deception of the devil.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You offer no scripture for your statement. Besides, WHY WOULD A SINNER NEED DELUSION TO LEAD THEM AWAY? WHAT WILL A SINNER NEED TO BE LED AWAY FROM? They're already where the devil wants them.

 

[Stephen63]

It helps when we read scripture in it's context as in 1 Tim. 4:1-5 illustrates beautifully to see just what this "falling away is".

1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away ( apostesontai ) from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

[SUP]3 [/SUP] men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;

[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

What is going to cause this "falling away" ( apostasy )...people who forbid others to marry...and not to eat certain foods...why is this departing from the faith?...it's in verse 3, 4 and 5.

verse 3 = which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

It's in knowing who you are in Christ - who is the truth and the faith....this not marrying and not eating certain foods to keep yourself "separated" from others..is a form of self-effort and reliance on a D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindset.

This is "departing from the faith - apostasy"....... is people creating their own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness through their works of the flesh by self-effort...

It has the "appearance " of good but it denies the power to effect real change ...which is Christ in us and His life.

.. man-made religion denying the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ is the real "departing from the faith"

How can you make statements about apostasy when your doctrine says it can't happen? You want it both ways?

 

[OneFaith]

I believe that the delusion that God put in the earth are dinosaur bones. Because the Bible says let every man be a liar and God be right. Man says dinosaurs lived billions of years before humans. God says He created all in six days, and rested on the seventh. Who you gonna believe? Mankind wants to see and nail everything down to specifics. But without faith it's impossible to please God.

 

[Tintin]

No, it's false doctrine, because it's at the core of the falling away.

But false doctrine isn't new or even relatively new. It's been around for yonks.

 

[Tintin]

I believe that the delusion that God put in the earth are dinosaur bones. Because the Bible says let every man be a liar and God be right. Man says dinosaurs lived billions of years before humans. God says He created all in six days, and rested on the seventh. Who you gonna believe? Mankind wants to see and nail everything down to specifics. But without faith it's impossible to please God.

This belief actually originated with pagan cultures. The gods (or in our case, God) didn't put fossils in the ground (and this idea presents a disturbing view of God). The vast majority of fossils are the result of the global Flood that happened roughly 4,500 years ago in the time of Noah. God created everything in six days and rested on the seventh. God created animals on day 6 and we see fossil evidence for dinosaurs existing in the past. Therefore, because dinosaurs are considered animals, they must have been created just before Adam and Eve on day 6. And these animals (along with everything else, save those on the Ark) died during the Flood.

 

[OneFaith]

This belief actually originated with pagan cultures. The gods (or in our case, God) didn't put fossils in the ground (and this idea presents a disturbing view of God). The vast majority of fossils are the result of the global Flood that happened roughly 4,500 years ago in the time of Noah. God created everything in six days and rested on the seventh. God created animals on day 6 and we see fossil evidence for dinosaurs existing in the past. Therefore, because dinosaurs are considered animals, they must have been created just before Adam and Eve on day 6. And these animals (along with everything else, save those on the Ark) died during the Flood.

I did not get that idea from pagan cultures, it was my thought during studying that scripture. I have witnessed mankind saying that dinosaurs lived billions of years before humans, and the earth isn't even 15,000 years old. It is from within the earth that they dig up the "evidence" to their claim that there is no God, and that a Big Bang created earth.

 

[Tintin]

I did not get that idea from pagan cultures, it was my thought during studying that scripture. I have witnessed mankind saying that dinosaurs lived billions of years before humans, and the earth isn't even 15,000 years old. It is from within the earth that they dig up the "evidence" to their claim that there is no God, and that a Big Bang created earth.

Maybe you didn't get that idea from pagan cultures, but that's where it originated. I've never heard anyone say that dinosaurs lived billions of years before humans. 165 million years before, yes. And that they died out 65 million years ago. But they're wrong and the Bible is right and we know that dinosaurs existed. The universe is only about 6,000 years old and the fossil record shows signs of not only death but disease. The sin of Adam cursed all of creation. So that leaves us with the logical conclusion that dinosaurs were created on day 6, just a little before the first two people. Then humanity fell. Some 1,500 years later the Great Flood occurred and led to geological conditions we find today. Uniformitarian understandings don't work. It was a great catastrophe that laid down the fossils. The Great Flood of Noah's time.

 

[Cee]

2 Thes 2:9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Believers are not perishing. Unbelievers are perishing and they refuse to love the truth and be saved.

What is this strong delusion? That they don't need God to be saved.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I think the strong delusion is evolution. Because most of the world believes it, even many Christians.

Any kind of false doctrine given by the spirit of a lie that deceives can fit this description as leading people into error. Look at the word used....And [SUP]G2532[/SUP] for this [SUP]G5124[/SUP] cause [SUP]G1223[/SUP] God [SUP]G2316[/SUP] shall send [SUP]G3992[/SUP] them [SUP]G846[/SUP] strong [SUP]G1753[/SUP] delusion, [SUP]G4106[/SUP] that [SUP]G1519[/SUP] they [SUP]G846[/SUP] should believe [SUP]G4100[/SUP] a lie: [SUP]G5579[/SUP]

The KJV translates Strongs G4106 in the following manner: error (7x), to deceive (1x), deceit (1x), delusion (1x).

Bible usage....

1. a wandering, a straying about
   1. one led astray from the right way, roams hither and thither
2. metaph.
   1. mental straying
      1. error, wrong opinion relative to morals or religion
   2. error which shows itself in action, a wrong mode of acting
   3. error, that which leads into error, deceit or fraud
      
      More verses with G4106....That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [SUP]G4106
      
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      [TD][/TD]
      [TD]For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. [SUP]G4106
      
      [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error G4106 of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
      
      We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. [SUP]G4106[/SUP]
      
      Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error [SUP]G4106[/SUP] of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
      
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[InSpiritInTruth]

You offer no scripture for your statement. Besides, WHY WOULD A SINNER NEED DELUSION TO LEAD THEM AWAY? WHAT WILL A SINNER NEED TO BE LED AWAY FROM? They're already where the devil wants them.

How can you make statements about apostasy when your doctrine says it can't happen? You want it both ways?

That's right, it's more of that same double talk. They say believers cannot fall away from the faith, but the Holy Spirit says there is to come a falling away from the faith. How could they not have been previous "believers" in order to fall away from the faith? Their argument makes no sense, how can a branch not fall away from a tree it was previously attached to? They claim it was never really attached to the tree it fell away from. LOL This false doctrine and is also a part of the strong delusion that is ongoing in twistianity.

Falling away from the faith means just that, but many refuse to believe it is even possible despite all the scriptures that foretell of it happening.

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[TD]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away [SUP]G646[/SUP] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

Notice Jesus said some were "believers"---->>>[SUP]G1161[/SUP] They on [SUP]G1909[/SUP] the rock [SUP]G4073[/SUP] are they, which, [SUP]G3739[/SUP] when [SUP]G3752[/SUP] they hear, [SUP]G191[/SUP] receive [SUP]G1209[/SUP] the word [SUP]G3056[/SUP] with [SUP]G3326[/SUP] joy; [SUP]G5479[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] these [SUP]G3778[/SUP] have [SUP]G2192[/SUP] no [SUP]G3756[/SUP] root, [SUP]G4491[/SUP] which [SUP]G3739[/SUP] for [SUP]G4314[/SUP] a while [SUP]G2540[/SUP] believe, [SUP]G4100[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] in [SUP]G1722[/SUP] time [SUP]G2540[/SUP] of temptation [SUP]G3986[/SUP] fall away. [SUP]G868[/SUP][/TD]
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If [SUP]G2532[/SUP] they shall fall away, [SUP]G3895[/SUP] to renew them [SUP]G340[/SUP] again [SUP]G3825[/SUP] unto [SUP]G1519[/SUP] repentance; [SUP]G3341[/SUP] seeing they crucify [SUP]G388[/SUP] [SUP]G0[/SUP] to themselves [SUP]G1438[/SUP] the Son [SUP]G5207[/SUP] of God [SUP]G2316[/SUP] afresh, [SUP]G388[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] put him to an open shame. [SUP]G3856[/SUP]

Bible usage...."to fall away (from the true faith): from worship of Jehovah"

παραπίπτω parapíptō, par-ap-ip'-to; from G3844 and G4098; to fall aside, i.e. (figuratively) to apostatize:—fall away.

 

[notuptome]

You offer no scripture for your statement. Besides, WHY WOULD A SINNER NEED DELUSION TO LEAD THEM AWAY? WHAT WILL A SINNER NEED TO BE LED AWAY FROM? They're already where the devil wants them.

2 Thes 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Not talking about saints here but the unsaved. Sinners can and will get a lot worse when the Holy Spirit is withdrawn.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Cee]

In my opinion, the "falling away" is the Holy Spirit being lifted off the son of perdition. We see this here:

2 Thes 2:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

When Holy Spirit is out of the way, the lawless one will be revealed, whom Jesus will kill with His mere breath.