Debate 2

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it's hard to give someone a compliment when they have no redeeming qualities...hillary did the best she could with what they gave her to work with... ;)
Donald showed class by not using the question to shine the light on himself.
 
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ladylynn

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#84
Donald is pretty witty sometimes, and he's in such a hurry to speak - or has so much to say - that he frequently doesn't finish sentences.


Probably another reason why so many people like him. He is doing and saying much of what the average American has already said for years about politicians and WISHES they could say if given half a chance! But liberals have gagged everyone from saying anything that might be "offensive" to special interest groups for the sake of "political correctness"

Most average Americans are not part of the special interest groups so we can't figure out why these questions are never asked OR answered. Most average Americans are not into PC. We just want to go to work., be able to take care of our families and not be taxed out of the water.
 

JesusLives

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Since when is making it harder to get a gun taking away your gun rights?

Why is it so terrible to help a country out when they are being obliterated and innocent people are being killed and their homes are being destroyed and they are looking for a safe place to run to and they happen to be called refugees and are being labeled terrorists when they are just looking for a safe haven to go to? All of these refugees are not terrorists there are many children and families that are just seeking a new place to live as they don't have anywhere to go.

Do we really need a reminder that America is the melting pot of the world and our ancestors migrated over here from all around the world? You start separating people groups and we have a real problem. Not all Muslims are bad people just as there is no people group that are all bad. There are bad and good in each group this is the world we live in.

We don't have too far back to look when you start being afraid of a people group as we had Japanese camps after the war started and these people were Americans, but put in camps because we were afraid.... Let's not repeat our mistakes of the past.

The words love one another as I have loved you comes to mind.... even the candidates.... even though it is hard....
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Since when is making it harder to get a gun taking away your gun rights?

Why is it so terrible to help a country out when they are being obliterated and innocent people are being killed and their homes are being destroyed and they are looking for a safe place to run to and they happen to be called refugees and are being labeled terrorists when they are just looking for a safe haven to go to? All of these refugees are not terrorists there are many children and families that are just seeking a new place to live as they don't have anywhere to go.

Do we really need a reminder that America is the melting pot of the world and our ancestors migrated over here from all around the world? You start separating people groups and we have a real problem. Not all Muslims are bad people just as there is no people group that are all bad. There are bad and good in each group this is the world we live in.

We don't have too far back to look when you start being afraid of a people group as we had Japanese camps after the war started and these people were Americans, but put in camps because we were afraid.... Let's not repeat our mistakes of the past.

The words love one another as I have loved you comes to mind.... even the candidates.... even though it is hard....
the bible also says to be kind to the alien...not to deport them and build walls to keep them out...

but regarding guns...anything that makes it more difficult for most people to get a gun is going to make it -impossible- for some people to get a gun...and that is a violation of the second amendment...

on that issue however both trump and clinton are guilty...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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for the record...my view on gun control is that the only citizens who should be deprived of the right to bear arms of any kind are traitors or insurrectionists...
 
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ladylynn

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#88
wouldn't they throw you in jail if you sexually assaulted multiple women and there was a confession video in the public record?


I'm not sure why people don't hold Clinton to the very same standard?? I thought it was EPIC the way Trump's advisers (or who ever had the idea) to bring all those women to the debate and sit them right up front!! EPIC!! The Clinton's have abused woman and others for years who have never had a day where they could actually be defended OR help defend another who is being attached the same way they were.

It was EPIC. As an female American citizen who has seen all this political junk for years I was very pleased with Trump's performance. And it was good to see the Clinton's in the same room with the victims AND the questions FINALLY asked. The come backs Trump had about how Hillary would have been in jail had he been the Prez and then hearing Hillary try to use Lincoln as an excuse....EPIC!! LOL
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I'm not sure why people don't hold Clinton to the very same standard??
i do...this is like choosing between two barabbases...both belong in prison but we are being told we can only jail one and we must crown the other...
 
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i do...this is like choosing between two barabbases...both belong in prison but we are being told we can only jail one and we must crown the other...


As a Christian woman., I do not expect 2 unsaved people to be like Jesus. We are making a choice between 2 unsaved human beings. I'm voting based on the issues at hand like I always do. I'm against the liberal agenda 100% and will vote for the candidate who is also against the known liberal agenda like I am and have been for years. I know what liberals want to do and am totally against the liberal agenda.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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As a Christian woman., I do not expect 2 unsaved people to be like Jesus. We are making a choice between 2 unsaved human beings. I'm voting based on the issues at hand like I always do. I'm against the liberal agenda 100% and will vote for the candidate who is also against the known liberal agenda.
as a bare minimum i expect two unsaved people to be like decent human beings...

i vote based on character...respect for the constitution...shared values...and issues...

as far as i am concerned -neither- candidate is acceptable on -any- of those criteria...

i am also against the liberal agenda and i see -both- candidates as furthering the liberal agenda in different ways...
 

Roughsoul1991

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He he..... You do know, don't you, that "justice" in the Bible, is making wrong things right, NOT getting even with people, or paying them back?

Just sayin'. LOL
[h=3]A Christian’s Duties to the State[/h][FONT=&quot]13 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval. 4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. 5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience. 6 And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks.[a] 7 Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor.

What about this verse though? [/FONT]
 

Roughsoul1991

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Agreed. Trump is in favor of stop and frisk is a 4th amendment violation and the no fly lists are a terrible way of finding and preventing terrorism because too many innocent people get put on the list for stupid reasons and that is also a violation of the 4th amendment.
The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation.

Probable cause gives the police the right to search something or someone when they have to act quick or suspect someone is doing something illegal in which they will have to defend their case afterwards if the search was legal under probable cause.

 
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ladylynn

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This is the 'game' of politics where humans are going to be at their very worse. The love of power and prestige and money. Having observed the Clinton's for many years already., there is no doubt in my mind who the better candidate is...Trump., he isn't a career politician. He is a greedy Capitalist.

The Clinton's had no one to protect them tonight and many Americans are saying "hoooraaay" they are being held accountable for a few brief moments. Someone is finally holding them accountable. They tried to get Trump for his sins but have always ignored and or had their own covered up many many times.

And remember., these career politicians have been doing the political dance taxing us for years. It's just good to see a political high power liberal couple being held accountable (as short lived as it might be) for their many crimes against society. Politics is just a crap shoot. One day they are up the next day they are down.

It was quite shocking to see Trump come back after such a defeat. But that is politics.



 

Roughsoul1991

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how do we know that refugees are enemies? the ones committing the acts of terrorism have all been american citizens...
all soldiers start out as 'civilians who are not trained'...
and russia has attempted to meddle in our elections and therefore undermine our democracy...there can be no greater threat to a free country...

i don't like clinton but at least criticize her views on the issues with things that can't be rebutted in a few lines...
How do we not know that the refugees are enemies? We must protect Americans first. And because of the open borders, that means a terrorist can become an American citizen and fit right into our daily lives until one day....boom. And we start to wonder why no heavy background checks were done on these people coming into the country. Clinton does not care she says let them all in! Prove Russia meddled into our democracy? Your rebutted was only your opinion and poorly researched.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I also dont call a rigged first debate a win for Hillary. I still think he won. Where he stands on the issues only prove that.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Again only evidence is of his words not actions.
under normal circumstances 'words' like his bragging are considered a -confession- not under duress...
 

Roughsoul1991

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As a Christian woman., I do not expect 2 unsaved people to be like Jesus. We are making a choice between 2 unsaved human beings. I'm voting based on the issues at hand like I always do. I'm against the liberal agenda 100% and will vote for the candidate who is also against the known liberal agenda like I am and have been for years. I know what liberals want to do and am totally against the liberal agenda.
Thank you for saying this! We Christians that support Trump not because we expect him to be a saint. But because neither candidate is a saint then we are forced to make an educated decision to protect our freedoms and our country. And we only have two choices and it's sure not going to be Hillary for me. Anyone for Hillary I just do not understand your logic.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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It was an entertaining debate. I got a few laughs out of it and a few times I was provoked to think. Overall I enjoyed watching it and am glad I chose to watch it instead of SNF.