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Originally Posted by Grace777x70


Here is a good teaching on where the word "repentance" came from originally. It is really a latin word that got transposed over into the New Testament scripture. It actually means "To do penance ".

[video=vimeo;112172173]https://vimeo.com/112172173[/video]




Don't you think it's a litte one-sided to post only from hypergrace sites?:rolleyes:
Did you listen to it?...I know you didn't because it is 43 minutes long.

You don't have to listen to it.

Others may actually want to know where the word "repentance" came from. It is easily verified - it may "conflict" with some of our religious teachings and traditions - but hey....it happens to all of us!

Sometimes our sacred cows need to be slaughtered.

I hope to have my sacred cows killed off too as the Holy Spirit reveals the wonderful truths of the Lord Jesus Christ to me. Personally I can't wait to "repent" as He shows me Christ.

Knowing Christ Himself is very exciting and I look forward to "seeing" Him for who He really is and what He has done for us in His great love and grace.
 
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Here is proof what Mr Twister believes---->>>>
Originally Posted by Grace777x70

New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce. New Covenant preaching about the gospel of grace had NO words of telling people to repent. ….So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind and turn to God and believe in Jesus and what He has done.
 
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Originally Posted by Grace777x70


Here is a good teaching on where the word "repentance" came from originally. It is really a latin word that got transposed over into the New Testament scripture. It actually means "To do penance ".

[video=vimeo;112172173]https://vimeo.com/112172173[/video]






Did you listen to it?...I know you didn't because it is 43 minutes long.

You don't have to listen to it.

Others may actually want to know where the word "repentance" came from. It is easily verified - it may "conflict" with some of our religious teachings and traditions - but hey....it happens to all of us!

Sometimes our sacred cows need to be slaughtered.

I hope to have my sacred cows killed off too as the Holy Spirit reveals the wonderful truths of the Lord Jesus Christ to me. Personally I can't wait to "repent" as He shows me Christ.

Knowing Christ Himself is very exciting and I look forward to "seeing" Him for who He really is and what He has done for us in His great love and grace.
No I didn't..... because I checked out the website instead.:)
 
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Here is proof what Mr Twister believes---->>>>

Originally Posted by Grace777x70


New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce. New Covenant preaching about the gospel of grace had NO words of telling people to repent. ….So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind and turn to God and believe in Jesus and what He has done.
I love it when you take my posts out of context as it gives me another change to preach Christ. Thank you!

I'll post the rest of my post to show what is being said. Although I must say you are consistent in your deceitful way of only putting up parts of people's posts to give it that "one-sided view" in order to distort what is really being said.

I have included the fact that we do agree that we change our view towards sinning as a fruit of having already repented.

Let's look at it through what scripture has to say about repentance ( changing our mind - the way we think ) concerning preaching the gospel. I know we have been taught differently through our religious upbringing and beliefs handed down to us. Let's let God's word speak life to us.

Peter preached the gospel of the grace of Christ. to Cornelius ..no word used for repentence was said

Acts 10:43-44 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

They were not told to "repent" here.

I love how the Holy Spirit "falls upon " them as soon as they hear about the forgiveness of sins proclaimed to them because of Christ!

Peter got in trouble with the Jewish Christians when he went back because he went into a gentile's house and preached the gospel to them...he says in Acts 11:17,18

Acts 11:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"

[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

What was there repentance even tho the word "repent" was not used?...they changed their mind toward God and had faith in Jesus and in His complete forgiveness of sins. This is the gospel message.

Notice that
it was God that granted them repentance.

New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce.

2 Tim 2:24-25 says that God may grant them repentance so that they may know the truth. God grants the repentance..not a work we do on our own.


Paul preached the gospel of grace here in the only recorded time in scripture.

Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Again ..no telling them to "repent" was voiced here either by Paul...but Paul did tell them .."
urged them to continue in the grace of God"

Both of the examples we have of New Covenant preaching about the gospel of grace had NO words of telling people to repent.

These clearly show that "repentance " was not told to them and yet they did repent.



So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind ( change your way of thinking and rely on God only for things dealing with your life) and turn to God and believe in Jesus and what He has already done.

There is a change after we come to Christ and His life in us transforms us. This is where we see the "fruit" of repentance. Fruit is not the "root" of repentance. And Yes!...this does mean to stop sinning as we rely on the life of Christ to transforms us by the Holy Spirit within us

Fruit of an exchanged life comes after we have "repented " - changed our thinking to rely on Christ's work only for salvation and this does include our view of sinning.

We all need to repent every day as we hear the beauty of our Lord proclaimed!

Brethern ...I urge you to believe in the awesome greatness and splendor of our Lord's magnificent finished work on our behalf!

 
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I love it when you take my posts out of context as it gives me another change to preach Christ. Thank you!
I just removed all the fluff and candy coating to expose the poison center and lies at the root of this heresy. And copy pasting lies from Joseph Prince doctrine, and copy pasting hyper grace doctrine and videos is not preaching Christ.




 
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I love it when you take my posts out of context as it gives me another change to preach Christ. Thank you!

I'll post the rest of my post to show what is being said. Although I must say you are consistent in your deceitful way of only putting up parts of people's posts to give it that "one-sided view" in order to distort what is really being said.

I have included the fact that we do agree that we change our view towards sinning as a fruit of having already repented.

Let's look at it through what scripture has to say about repentance ( changing our mind - the way we think ) concerning preaching the gospel. I know we have been taught differently through our religious upbringing and beliefs handed down to us. Let's let God's word speak life to us.

Peter preached the gospel of the grace of Christ. to Cornelius ..no word used for repentence was said

Acts 10:43-44 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

They were not told to "repent" here.

I love how the Holy Spirit "falls upon " them as soon as they hear about the forgiveness of sins proclaimed to them because of Christ!

Peter got in trouble with the Jewish Christians when he went back because he went into a gentile's house and preached the gospel to them...he says in Acts 11:17,18

Acts 11:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"

[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

What was there repentance even tho the word "repent" was not used?...they changed their mind toward God and had faith in Jesus and in His complete forgiveness of sins. This is the gospel message.

Notice that
it was God that granted them repentance.

New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce.

2 Tim 2:24-25 says that God may grant them repentance so that they may know the truth. God grants the repentance..not a work we do on our own.


Paul preached the gospel of grace here in the only recorded time in scripture.

Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Again ..no telling them to "repent" was voiced here either by Paul...but Paul did tell them .."
urged them to continue in the grace of God"

Both of the examples we have of New Covenant preaching about the gospel of grace had NO words of telling people to repent.

These clearly show that "repentance " was not told to them and yet they did repent.



So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind ( change your way of thinking and rely on God only for things dealing with your life) and turn to God and believe in Jesus and what He has already done.

There is a change after we come to Christ and His life in us transforms us. This is where we see the "fruit" of repentance. Fruit is not the "root" of repentance. And Yes!...this does mean to stop sinning as we rely on the life of Christ to transforms us by the Holy Spirit within us

Fruit of an exchanged life comes after we have "repented " - changed our thinking to rely on Christ's work only for salvation and this does include our view of sinning.

We all need to repent every day as we hear the beauty of our Lord proclaimed!

Brethern ...I urge you to believe in the awesome greatness and splendor of our Lord's magnificent finished work on our behalf!

I read through this post really carefully and I don't think your position is actually different from what others are stating. I think some have the impression that you don't believe in repentance at all.

I think we have to read every individual's statements separately as not everyone who likes JP is in total agreement on everything or even in total agreement with JP. Same goes for the other side. I don't personally agree with some of the excerpts or videos in this thread, but I don't disagree with your points in this post.

You might explain some aspects slightly differently, but your final conclusion is the same : that we stop sinning as we rely on the life of Christ to transform us by the Holy Spirit within us. That is what is truly important to take away from this discussion. I come away from reading your posts with the conclusion that you do believe in repentance for believers ( even after our initial conversion).
 
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I read through this post really carefully and I don't think your position is actually different from what others are stating. I think some have the impression that you don't believe in repentance at all.

I think we have to read every individual's statements separately as not everyone who likes JP is in total agreement on everything or even in total agreement with JP. Same goes for the other side. I don't personally agree with some of the excerpts or videos in this thread, but I don't disagree with your points in this post.

You might explain some aspects slightly differently, but your final conclusion is the same : that we stop sinning as we rely on the life of Christ to transform us by the Holy Spirit within us. That is what is truly important to take away from this discussion. I come away from reading your posts with the conclusion that you do believe in repentance for believers ( even after our initial conversion).
This is the same basic conclusion I have come to talking with Grace777x7 as well. I also think your second paragraph is spot on too. I too think we should try to talk "TO" each other more, and talk "PAST" each other less, not that it would fix everything, but it would be so much better than the methods I see used now. (not that I'm saying I haven't employed those very methods myself, just want to learn a better way now)
 
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Grace777x70, do you believe in repentance for believers after conversion..... you know, the kind that where you get convicted of your sins & repent according to the established greek definition of repentance? Just a simple yes or no will do..... no pages please.
 

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I read through this post really carefully and I don't think your position is actually different from what others are stating. I think some have the impression that you don't believe in repentance at all.

I think we have to read every individual's statements separately as not everyone who likes JP is in total agreement on everything or even in total agreement with JP. Same goes for the other side. I don't personally agree with some of the excerpts or videos in this thread, but I don't disagree with your points in this post.

You might explain some aspects slightly differently, but your final conclusion is the same : that we stop sinning as we rely on the life of Christ to transform us by the Holy Spirit within us. That is what is truly important to take away from this discussion. I come away from reading your posts with the conclusion that you do believe in repentance for believers ( even after our initial conversion).
Thats the thing, that both groups have the same goal but have different methods of attaining it. The problem is that one group disagrees with the other's methods and define them as "from their father the devil". They do not even acknowledge Grace777x70 as a fellow believer, or brother in Christ. To them he is the enemy and stands opposed to the Gospel.

VVhat unity can be had, or what correction given to a brother or sister in Christ if said person isn't even considered part of the family of God? They have ostracized him.

Both people desire to stop sinning, but go about it through different means. One may profess victory over sin completely while the other is honest about his process of sanctification. One accuses the other of living like a heathen and the other speaks of God's grace being sufficient. Not so that they may continue in sin, but that they may be assured that there is therefore now no condemnation in Christ, Jesus. This revelation being a catalyst to victorious living under God's grace rather than law.

You have those with self-righteous intent opposing the humble who rely upon God's grace. You have those striving for what God has already given and those just willing to receive all that Christ purchased on their behalf. They are at odds, but at least one considers the other redeemable as opposed to condemned. It seems unity is hard when the other is dead set on defaming the other instead of correcting them in love. But as I said, there is no correction for a brother or sister in Christ when such a person isn't even considered to be a son by the Spirit of Adoption. They simply are ostracized and condemned.
 
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The established Greek definition means " to change the mind" so I do change my mind concerning all that is revealed to me which includes things like sinning...also things like what Christ has done for me in His finished work.

God grants me repentance which I am thankful of.

I love repenting. I believe in hyper-repenting ( I have just coined a new term ...:) ) as I see new truths about Christ and the true nature of the Father.

Repentance is a life long event.

[FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]μετανοέω[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]metanoeō[/FONT] verb
To repent, change one’s mind

Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.


Here is Vine's definition of repentance.

[FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]μετανοέω[/FONT], [FONT="Gentium" !important]metanoeō
[/FONT]

Usage Notes: lit., "to perceive afterwards

hence signifies "to change one's mind or purpose,"

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
 

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Grace777x70, do you believe in repentance for believers after conversion..... you know, the kind that where you get convicted of your sins & repent according to the established greek definition of repentance? Just a simple yes or no will do..... no pages please.
He does believe in repentance, how else does one get victory over sin? You already know he believes this. You simply just disagree with his method of victory over sin. Instead of a boast in the flesh or a promise to God that is empty through sin confession/repentance he understands that true victory is found in identity. VVho we are in Christ, and the fact that we have been made new creations (with the old man being crucified) in Christ, Jesus.

Again, same goal different methods. My question to you is do you consider Grace777x70 to be your brother in Christ?
 
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There's the poison pill hid under all the fluff---->>>>
Originally Posted by Grace777x70

So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind and turn to God and believe in Jesus and what He has done.
People don't give Satan a whole lot of credit when it comes to how good he is at deception. Do you think a murderer who wants to poison people would openly put the poison in plain view, and say eat up and die? Or do you think Satan being the most subtle of all God's creatures might try to feed you a little poison at a time mixed in with your healthy food?

A little poison (leaven) here and there mixed in will do the trick just fine,and will still lead to death and Satan knows this. Be not deceived by all the fluff and candy coating these deceivers try to use to mask this false doctrine. Research this false doctrine so you know what to look for, because often times it is presented with words smoother than oil. If it does not line up with the words of God 100% then stay away from it.
 

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There's the poison pill hid under all the fluff---->>>>

People don't give Satan a whole lot of credit when it comes to how good he is at deception. Do you think a murderer who wants to poison people would openly put the poison in plain view, and say eat up and die? Or do you think Satan being the most subtle of all God's creatures might try to feed you a little poison at a time mixed in with your healthy food?

A little poison (leaven) here and there mixed in will do the trick just fine,and will still lead to death and Satan knows this. Be not deceived by all the fluff and candy coating these deceivers try to use to mask this false doctrine. Research this false doctrine so you know what to look for, because often times it is presented with words smoother than oil. If it does not line up with the words of God 100% then stay away from it.
You failed to connect the dots. A repentance that changes one's mind, turns to God, and believes in what Christ has accomplished for believers will inevitably have the fruit of turning from sin. VVe are dead to sin and alive unto God. VVe died with Christ and have rose with Him unto newness of life (symbolized in baptism). You see, you think morality is the means to sanctification. This is of the flesh and a carnal mindset. It is through the Spirit that we get sanctified. Think of the Galatians.
 
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You failed to connect the dots. A repentance that changes one's mind, turns to God, and believes in what Christ has accomplished for believers will inevitably have the fruit of turning from sin. VVe are dead to sin and alive unto God. VVe died with Christ and have rose with Him unto newness of life (symbolized in baptism). You see, you think morality is the means to sanctification. This is of the flesh and a carnal mindset. It is through the Spirit that we get sanctified. Think of the Galatians.

Amen...turning from sin is a fruit of already having repented to believe in Christ and His life in us changes us by the Holy Spirit.

Some deceitful people will distort what is said and just post "parts" of what is said but that is par for the course. I wouldn't be trying to convince this type of mindset otherwise....that takes repentance from God to show this deceitfulness and malice....in the meantime we will just forgive them and bless them.....All is well...:)
 
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You failed to connect the dots. A repentance that changes one's mind, turns to God, and believes in what Christ has accomplished for believers will inevitably have the fruit of turning from sin.
Then why even say this--->>>>
Originally Posted by Grace777x70

So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind and turn to God and believe in Jesus and what He has done.
What I have seen in the past from this group is a constant flip flopping on what they say, and have said, even denying things they have said in the past. But after they say they do not really believe this or that, they go right back to saying it again. So it is more like damage control and trying to save face than anything else. They promote a false doctrine like JP's, but then later say they don't really believe that. So stop posting all his false doctrine via constant copy pastes if you guys do not really believe that.
 
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Let's hear from the "horse's mouth" exactly what he does say about repentance.


[video=youtube;ZEKZ2lErEoo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEKZ2lErEoo[/video]
 
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The established Greek definition means " to change the mind" so I do change my mind concerning all that is revealed to me which includes things like sinning...also things like what Christ has done for me in His finished work.

God grants me repentance which I am thankful of.

I love repenting. I believe in hyper-repenting ( I have just coined a new term ...:) ) as I see new truths about Christ and the true nature of the Father.

Repentance is a life long event.

[FONT=&quot]μετανοέω[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]metanoeō[/FONT] verb
To repent, change one’s mind

Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.


Here is Vine's definition of repentance.

[FONT=&quot]μετανοέω[/FONT], [FONT=&quot]metanoeō
[/FONT]

Usage Notes: lit., "to perceive afterwards

hence signifies "to change one's mind or purpose,"

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
IN OTHER WORDS, NO. Sorry, PinkDiamond.:(
 
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Repentance biblical meaning

But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
Ezek 18:21-22

It for me is meaningless to take what the greek word repentance means.
Repentance, turning from sin and doing righteousness is the meaning of repentance.

It is what John the Baptist preached. The farce is HG wants to change the key issue
within our faith because of a language dictionary and not Gods intention.