Would You Take a Cure for Cancer--If It Had Been Developed By a Gay Doctor?

[seoulsearch]

Hello Everyone,

This thread was inspired by a conversation with a Christian friend who feels strongly convicted about refraining from buying products or services from companies who actively support gay rights (Disney would be a prime example.)

I am curious:

* Do you feel convicted to withhold your business from such companies (who support gay rights) as well?

* If a cure was made available for cancer, would you accept it for yourself or a family member--if the researcher responsible for the cure was gay?

* If so, what would be the difference?

* Would it make a difference to you if you needed the cure for a family member, such as a parent, sibling, or your own child, rather than yourself?

This is NOT meant as a criticism AT ALL. I am genuinely interested in people's answers, which is why I did not write a poll for this thread. I want to actually hear people's reasoning and explanations for their answers.

I'm posting this in Singles because as most know, the Singles Forum is pretty much my CC home , and because as a single person, I have the most control over what products, companies, and services I support. The question of how God is convicting me often comes up in my own heart and in my own day-to-day life.

Please let this thread be a place of respectful discussion. If Sally H. says she boycotts Disney but would accept the cure for cancer even if it was developed and administered by an entire team of gay doctors, please, just hear her out instead of criticizing what she believes. I'm hoping this thread will bring up some interesting thoughts WITHOUT turning in a war zone.

One of the things that helps me greatly in my own Christian walk is hearing about how other Christians deal with the same kinds of challenges and convictions.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts, and even more thanks for respecting the thoughts of others who post as well.

 

[Demi777]

I would stay away from companies who are actively pro Gay and reuse to work with them, they surely do not depend on me working with them and a companies influence..nope I do not want to be somehow related to a pro LGBT company and be put in a sentence with them. Plus they surely would try to influence others to join for political pressure and power pro LGBT.

I would not have a issue to go to a Gay doctor. This doctor is doing his job and no more. He needs to work and has a right to do so and if he wants to help me, sure. I just wont go to his marriage and if he would ask me about my thoughts on LGBT I would tell him. If he would try to force me into LGBT I would tell him to give his meds to someone else and bye. If he just does his job, sure go ahead.

I dont have a problem with the people who are gay. I have gay friends myself and I wouldnt trade them in for another person. But I will not encourage their life style and help them upholding the sin. I have no problem to help them if they are sick or need a shoulder to lean on though.
Hate the sin and not the sinner. Thats just me tho

 

[seoulsearch]

It also seems only right that I should share my own current thoughts as well, since I am asking others to do the same.

At this point, I have not felt convicted to stop patronizing entire companies, but for some reason, I often feel convicted by product names. For example, it's often considered to trendy to give the colors of products names such as "Lust", "Primal Urge," "Forbidden Love", etc. and I always feel convicted about things like that. I love color in general, but many times I'll come across something in a color (or even fragrance) I love, but can't buy it because of the name or label.

Even if it's just a color of nail polish, I just don't have peace with it if I know the name of the shade is something like, "Fornication at Noon"! (And there really are colors out there that have that crazy of names.)

I currently subscribe to 3 YouTube channels that most Christians would probably stone me for:

1. A girl who has transitioned into a guy.
2. A guy who has transitioned into a girl.
3. A girl who is very vocally not a Christian and wears things such a miniature playing piece from a Ouija Board around her neck.

Why have these people caught my eye? Because they express more love and compassion for other people than I often hear within the Christian community, and because of that, I feel moved to pray for each of them.

I don't watch all their videos or clips, but when I see that they've added something to their channel, it reminds me to pray for them. I would love to see every one of them get saved.

Now, if God convicted me to stop subscribing to these channels, and to stop buying products from companies known to support gay rights, of course, I would have to stop.

However, unless God somehow stopped me in a very big way, if the day ever came, I myself would take on a cure for cancer, no matter whom God blessed with the knowledge to come up with it, and I would SURELY accept it for ALL of the many people I have known who have had or currently have cancer.

But, these are just my OWN thoughts... and I would love to hear yours.

God bless!

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

I know my response will be looked at as a trolling attempt, but I'm going to say it anyhow.

A person's sexual orientation has almost no influence whatsoever on my views of them as a human being. In relation to the question posed in the OP, a doctor being a homosexual would not have any influence on whether or not I seek medical treatment from them. As an example, if I was ever in a medical emergency situation and needed trauma treatment in an ER, I would not care about how the attending physician gets his or her jollies, so long as they are competent to administer the care I require at the time and can adhere to my advance directives and DNR orders.

 

[HisHolly]

The last thing anyone needs is total exclusion.. it doesn't show the love of God and aids in condemnation which does no good in getting the lost to believe Jesus died for them.. enough people treat them like a problem.. we fight not against flesh and blood.. to exclude them is saying they all are under different spiritual laws than us. Satan got them into this and another into that.. bondage is bondage

 

[zeroturbulence]

I would take a cure for cancer if it was developed by a monkey.

 

[JonahLynx]

Still waiting to hear back from my sinless doctor to cure my polio.

 

[Ugly]

I shop where I want. Eat where I want. Not too hugely affected by the companies or individuals lives or stances. There may be some exceptions, but mostly I find it irrelevant.

God endorsed hard work. Frowns upon laziness. Would you rather support a lazy Christians company or a hard working sinners? So many of these sorts of questions. At the end of the day out choices are largely irrelevant to the ones we're supporting or refusing.

 

[Lenardzw]

Whose to say that some of the medicines we are already enjoy were not gay? Bruce Voeller [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif] American biologist and AIDS researcher made some important advances in HIV treatments. [/FONT]Alan Turing[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif], dubbed "The father of modern computer science" was gay too. I recently discovered that one of my favourite talk radio hosts (he is incredibly intelligent and articulate) is gay. If we peer into the lives of any person who has made significant contributions to society, we will probably find something that we consider unpleasant or downright sinful. God has allowed us to benefit from the talents of people whose lives are not being lived according to His will. [/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]Having said that, I think that a person is within their rights should they decide not to support a business (like Disney) on some grounds. If that is their conviction then I can respect that - even if I may or may not agree with their reasoning. I may reconsider my loyalty to a company that openly pushes LGBT agenda. If they simply say, [/FONT]"they have rights too don't bash them"[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif] then that's okay with me, but if they push the [/FONT]"marriage"[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif] and [/FONT]"they must minister in the church"[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif] view I may look elsewhere for an alternative product or service. [/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]I live in a very conservative society and have that upbringing. So homosexuality is frowned upon in general. I have a gay cousin who I grew up with and am close too. I tell him the Gospel message when I can and pray for him, but in the meantime I love him just like any of my relatives. I believe that its important for me to be salt and light and to love people who know that I have concerns about their lifestyle choices. But in the same way I want the person struggling with alcoholism or the thief I know from down the road in my old neighbourhood (He exists) to see Christ in me in not judging them (and they know my convictions).

With regard to cancer, my mom lost her life to it so I would accept a cure from a gay scientist.

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[seoulsearch]

Still waiting to hear back from my sinless doctor to cure my polio.

I want to take this answer and frame it.

Whose to say that some of the medicines we are already enjoy were not gay? Bruce Voeller American biologist and AIDS researcher made some important advances in HIV treatments. Alan Turing, dubbed "The father of modern computer science" was gay too. I recently discovered that one of my favourite talk radio hosts (he is incredibly intelligent and articulate) is gay. If we peer into the lives of any person who has made significant contributions to society, we will probably find something that we consider unpleasant or downright sinful. God has allowed us to benefit from the talents of people whose lives are not being lived according to His will.

Having said that, I think that a person is within their rights should they decide not to support a business (like Disney) on some grounds. If that is their conviction then I can respect that - even if I may or may not agree with their reasoning. I may reconsider my loyalty to a company that openly pushes LGBT agenda. If they simply say, "they have rights too don't bash them" then that's okay with me, but if they push the "marriage" and "they must minister in the church" view I may look elsewhere for an alternative product or service.

I live in a very conservative society and have that upbringing. So homosexuality is frowned upon in general. I have a gay cousin who I grew up with and am close too. I tell him the Gospel message when I can and pray for him, but in the meantime I love him just like any of my relatives. I believe that its important for me to be salt and light and to love people who know that I have concerns about their lifestyle choices. But in the same way I want the person struggling with alcoholism or the thief I know from down the road in my old neighbourhood (He exists) to see Christ in me in not judging them (and they know my convictions).

With regard to cancer, my mom lost her life to it so I would accept a cure from a gay scientist.

I am so sorry about your mom.

May God bring you comfort.


Thank you so much, everyone, for the kind, insightful answers.

Please... keep 'em coming!

 

[Lynx]

The appropriate question is, "By doing this am I tacitly or otherwise endorsing sin?"

If I were running a bakery and somebody I knew was gay walked in and bought a loaf of bread, I would sell him a loaf. If he walked in and asked me to make a wedding cake for his marriage to his boyfriend, I would not accept the commission.

Ever heard of rainbow doritos? Here's a link if you haven't:
Doritos Introduces Rainbow Doritos to Help the LGBT Community | US News
Would I buy those? No. Am I going to stop eating doritos in general? Well... I don't eat them anyway. But if I did like them, I wouldn't stop eating them. "So if you would eat regular doritos, why would you not buy rainbow doritos?" Because that particular product is a deliberate, overt and frankly quite blatant endorsement of something God calls sin.

 

[Fenner]

I don't care if a person is gay or straight. I have a lot of gay friends, have for years. I don't see them that often anymore but a couple of them are still close friends. We don't text each other about gay or straight stuff and unless it was made public you wouldn't know if the person who made a cure for cancer was gay or straight.

 

[Jilly81]

I'm similar to you, Kim. I can't imagine refusing treatment because the researcher was homosexual. After reading a bit of this thread, a specific cross-dresser came to mind, so I sent up a prayer for him. I had seen him on a police show a decade ago and have prayed for him whenever he comes to mind. He seemed sad, like he wished he could stop wanting to do what he was doing, but was drawn to drag parties. Funny, he kind of struck me the same way that the sweeter straight guys do, it's just that he was wearing a dress and heels. Like, the expression on his face made me feel bad for him and mentally put him in the "sweet" group.

Concerning following youtube channels of those with blatantly unbiblical lifestyles, my MO is pray for the person (if it comes to mind) and move on, praying more when/if they come to mind again. However, if I felt fairly strong leading to do so, I'd subscribe to his/her channel.

Could you please give us the first names of each of the 3 folks you mentioned, and maybe we can all pray for them? Would be great if there was a mini revival due to long-distance love.

Or even if they just came a little closer to accepting Jesus for him/her/gender neutral self

 

[blue_ladybug]

I've had cancer and thankfully, an operation took care of it and I didn't have to take chemo or rads. But personally, if it ever comes back, I won't do anything for it. I don't understand the concept of taking chemo or rads, and make yourself even sicker, with no absolute guarantee that it will work. But I digress.

Personally, if I WERE to take a cure, like zero said, I wouldn't care if it came from a straight doctor, a gay doctor, or a celebrity.. lol.. A cure is a cure, regardless of who gives it to you or what their sexual preference is.

 

[PopClick]

Oh man, this thread totally reminded me of Alan Turing, and now I see Lenard already mentioned him. Alan Turing was a very eccentric fellow, but he was a mathematical genius who helped the allies crack German codes during WWII. It has been estimated that the work he headed up may have shortened the war by two years and saved fourteen million lives. But after the war, the authorities found out he was gay, and he was (in my opinion) treated quite appallingly after that. Was he any less brilliant after it was discovered that he was gay? Did his accomplishments amount to any less? Should we have dismissed him and not allowed him to help the war effort if it was known beforehand that he was gay? I don't think so. I think every one of us is imperfect, including the boycotters, and if we started boycotting everything over some sin or other that was committed by an individual or company, we'd never buy anything or go anywhere. I believe we need to keep our eyes on our own behavior, and be in the world and not of it.

I don't think that a person needs to be perfect or above some arbitrary measuring line in order for them to be used for good. I think Wilhelm Reich was honestly quite kooky, but even a stopped Wilhelm Reich is right twice a day, and I found a (very) few of his ideas to be interesting and maybe even a little bit useful. God used a donkey to speak once, and I doubt it was a particularly righteous donkey (by the way, what would a righteous donkey even look like?) And I have been struck by the words spoken by a bisexual man, in a rather deep way, and I personally believe that those words were used by God.

I'm also gonna drop these verses here because I think they apply.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. ~ 1 Corinthians 5: 9-11

 

[Fenner]

Popclick is that the guy the movie the Imitation Game was about?

 

[CharlieGrown]

* If a cure was made available for cancer, would you accept it for yourself or a family member--if the researcher responsible for the cure was gay?

Have you ever watched a loved one die of cancer? That's my answer.

 

[PopClick]

Popclick is that the guy the movie the Imitation Game was about?

Yes, although I did not see the movie and don't know if it was an accurate portrayal or anything.

 

[seoulsearch]

Could you please give us the first names of each of the 3 folks you mentioned, and maybe we can all pray for them? Would be great if there was a mini revival due to long-distance love.

Or even if they just came a little closer to accepting Jesus for him/her/gender neutral self

Awesome thought, Jilly.

I know it'll seem strange for me to want to keep their privacy (since they're on YouTube anyway), but for some reason I feel moved to only give out initials. I feel protective of them, even though I don't know them, and unfortunately, I could see a lot of unwholesome attention/judgment being thrown their way from other "well-meaning" "Christians" if I posted their names.

So, I'll just say that:

1. The person in "male to female" transition is "S".
2. The person in "female to male" transition is "J".
3. And the person I mentioned who is not a Christian is "M".

Thank you so much for your prayers for them. <3

 

[seoulsearch]

The appropriate question is, "By doing this am I tacitly or otherwise endorsing sin?"

If I were running a bakery and somebody I knew was gay walked in and bought a loaf of bread, I would sell him a loaf. If he walked in and asked me to make a wedding cake for his marriage to his boyfriend, I would not accept the commission.

Ever heard of rainbow doritos? Here's a link if you haven't:
Doritos Introduces Rainbow Doritos to Help the LGBT Community | US News
Would I buy those? No. Am I going to stop eating doritos in general? Well... I don't eat them anyway. But if I did like them, I wouldn't stop eating them. "So if you would eat regular doritos, why would you not buy rainbow doritos?" Because that particular product is a deliberate, overt and frankly quite blatant endorsement of something God calls sin.

One of the reasons this question and entire subject is interesting to me is because I've read several articles/instances of Christians calling for boycotts of Disney.

I understand that by purchasing Disney merchandise, attending their theme parks, etc., they believe their money would be supporting a company that provides equal rights (including spousal benefits) to employees who are both straight and gay.

But what's the real difference between that and accepting (paying for, in one way or the other, whether it's through insurance or not) medical treatment that financially enables/supports facilities and corporations that are doing the exact same thing?

Is it wrong in one incidence simply because it's pop culture and entertainment, but if our lives, or a loved one's life is at stake--does that suddenly sway, or change, our convictions?

If God told me I could no longer buy anything from Disney (because of their support of gay employees), I'd have a hard time believing He would then tell me it was perfectly ok to accept and pay for medical supplies, medicines, or treatments that give equal treatment to their straight/gay employees as well.


Please understand, I am NOT knocking anyone who would refuse Disney but gladly do business with a major medical corporation that could save their own, or their loved one's lives.

All I'm saying is, these are the kinds of dilemmas I think about in my own heart when it comes to living out our faith... and being "a light to the world."

And I wondered what everyone else thought as well.

Again, thank you all so much for the polite, respectful discussion--you have no idea how much I appreciate that--and I certainly hope it will continue.

Please, keep on sharing your thoughts.