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You are not speaking what God said, you are just parroting what Joseph Prince has taught you falsely.
Nope, that is JP's brainwashing tactic teaching you to "imagine" yourself as something you are not. You cannot be reborn again by the Spirit of God by just "imagining yourself" as perfect like JP says, and you do not renew your own mind, that is also done by the power of God's Spirit giving us a new heart and mind. Dump JP and start listening to JC.
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eph610
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I think the right question is lose it or walk away from it....covenant relationship is hard this way
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Many people and even the devil have used scripture many times for a variety of reasons, and many use it and claim it proves this or that point, in their opinion.
My question in response to your statement about salvation is, 'In who's mind or opinion, do you believe, have they exposed and proven OSAS, (whatever that actually means), to be untrue?
I already showed this statement of yours to be wrong by scripture--->>>
So no, you cannot prove the words of God to be wrong.
Yeah that's what I thought.
It's true that's God's word cannot be proven wrong.
However, your interpretation of it....
You're missing one key ingredient. But if you're not willing to listen and consider I won't bother you with it.
And frankly, for 99.9% of us this is a moot issue anyway
Man, it seems we have been on this merry go round a lot lately!
This is what you have to believe if you don't believe in eternal security or OSAS if you want to call it that.
1. A person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Realizing that Jesus paid the price for their sin. (You now HAVE Salvation and are a new creation filled with the Holy Spirit)
2. You then either sin too much, and that nullifies Christ's Sacrifice and Grace, or you simply no longer believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior. You CANNOT lose what you didn't have, so you MUST believe the person was saved to begin with.
3. Some non-OSAS people take it a step further and say you can then repent of your sin again at which point you will be REFILLED with the Holy Spirit. BUT if you screw up again, the cycle repeats itself.
[h=1]Ephesians 2:8-9New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][FONT="]8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
4. Now if you believe this verse, and don't believe in eternal security, then the faith that GOD GAVE YOU, which was gift, IS THEN TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU!
So God gave you the faith to believe as a free gift, YOU NOW POSSESS THE FREE GIFT OF FAITH, You believe, you have the faith, NOW GOD TAKES THAT GIFT AWAY, and you no longer believe because you don't have the faith that He gave you to begin with?
This DOES NOT mean that our sin, and the enemy won't cause thoughts of doubt. That is why it is so vitally important that we do walk in the Spirit and NOT in the flesh. All sorts of bad things can and do happen to the Christian who sins. BUT ONE OF THEM IS NOT LOST SALVATION!
Let's put this baby to rest and build each other up in love and the joy of the Lord![/FONT]
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This is what you have to believe if you don't believe in eternal security or OSAS if you want to call it that.
1. A person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Realizing that Jesus paid the price for their sin. (You now HAVE Salvation and are a new creation filled with the Holy Spirit)
2. You then either sin too much, and that nullifies Christ's Sacrifice and Grace, or you simply no longer believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior. You CANNOT lose what you didn't have, so you MUST believe the person was saved to begin with.
3. Some non-OSAS people take it a step further and say you can then repent of your sin again at which point you will be REFILLED with the Holy Spirit. BUT if you screw up again, the cycle repeats itself.
[h=1]Ephesians 2:8-9New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][FONT="]8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
4. Now if you believe this verse, and don't believe in eternal security, then the faith that GOD GAVE YOU, which was gift, IS THEN TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU!
So God gave you the faith to believe as a free gift, YOU NOW POSSESS THE FREE GIFT OF FAITH, You believe, you have the faith, NOW GOD TAKES THAT GIFT AWAY, and you no longer believe because you don't have the faith that He gave you to begin with?
This DOES NOT mean that our sin, and the enemy won't cause thoughts of doubt. That is why it is so vitally important that we do walk in the Spirit and NOT in the flesh. All sorts of bad things can and do happen to the Christian who sins. BUT ONE OF THEM IS NOT LOST SALVATION!
Let's put this baby to rest and build each other up in love and the joy of the Lord![/FONT]
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There are various pastors who made videos on youtube about it I dont remember their names.
Many times the Lord told his own people mind you Do not be deceived, Do not be led astray. Yet you have people believing in this osas stuff thinking no matter what they do / they can do anything & they are saved. That is very dangerous because as the Christ said many will say Lord Lord & he will tell them depart of me. Only those who does the will of the father will enter his kingdom. Christ said pick up your cross & follow me. Paul said I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, There is none of that in the osas doctrine
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Covenant relationship requires one to abide, not to the Law or works, but abide in relationship...
John 15 makes this very clear....
I am always willing to listen, but you cannot prove God's words wrong. I posted bunches of scripture to prove you were wrong already. Now if you think all those scriptures I posted were "interpreted" wrong then post scripture that you think prove those scriptures wrong by "your interpretation" because I know the words of God do not contradict. But consider, all scripture need be taken into account, not just cherry picking a few select verses.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Who can break the seal of the Holy Spirit?
Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
To lose our salvation we would need to die to Christ and be raised again in death.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Who can break the seal of the Holy Spirit?
Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
To lose our salvation we would need to die to Christ and be raised again in death.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Great post, brother! Almost as good as mine in #60 . Lol,
just kidding. This was really well said, and could have ended it , but Nnnooooooo!!! The negativity continues. Some folks are just Determined to rob others of the joy of salvation, it seems. GBUWelllll, ... Since various pastors have posted videos on youtube, that must be true, then, right??? !!! ......
You say that we have people believing osas 'stuff' thinking they can do anything and they are saved.
And you say this is very dangerous, but it's not important enough to remember any of these pastors names so we can talk to them and verify what they teach so we can correct them if need be.
And what do you mean by 'DO anything?' Do mean certain sins in particular?
Are they saved by what they DON'T do? And do they then 'lose their salvation' by what they DO do? (ok, no jokes
)Come onnnnn, YOU know better. You know we're saved by grace, right? And that it's a gift, right?
Be of good cheer, friend....Jesus has overcome the world. He conquered sin, the devil, and death, and no one can take His victory away from Him, or from those He gives it too! And that includes you and me, brother. Praise the Lord!
You are not speaking what God said, you are just parroting what Joseph Prince has taught you falsely.
We are to speak what God says is the truth.
We have to "see" them first in our own spirit and then we get our minds renewed to the truth of what Christ has done for us.
Nope, that is JP's brainwashing tactic teaching you to "imagine" yourself as something you are not. You cannot be reborn again by the Spirit of God by just "imagining yourself" as perfect like JP says, and you do not renew your own mind, that is also done by the power of God's Spirit giving us a new heart and mind. Dump JP and start listening to JC.
Nonsense...that is just more of your malice acting up again..here is my full post # 58. You obviously need to go back and read it again.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...rsus-questioning-our-faith-3.html#post2842364
Do you not see in your spirit the truths about Christ?
John 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Romans 7:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Ephesians 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
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pottersclay
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[FONT="]‘These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]4 Nevertheless I have thisagainst you, that you have left your first love.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Remove your lampstand from its place?
Yup potters ap is working . What is ment by this?[/FONT]
Remove your lampstand from its place?
Yup potters ap is working . What is ment by this?[/FONT]
I know right off the bat that it is not talking about individuals but the lampstand is the whole church. It would appear to be talking about the light as a church in an area. We can see this has happened in many places in the past. Look at the great English churches that are now empty.
Revelation 1:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
I can "see" you know how to use a Bible search engine to search the word "see." Rofl!