How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

ji · Oct 23, 2016

There was a video about a man jumping from a big height to make world record.In that they use camera which shows a curved ball or oblate or whatever earth surface.But weather balloons reaching higher altitudes than that show flat horizon?
Who is wrong?Fish eyed lens can show curvature...u tilt the camera and the curvature is shown on the opposite way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiIuq8-vhDQ

There are no videos of a tracking videos with a camera near the so called rocket launch.All of them are either attached or shown from ground which can be easily faked with cgi(Photo realistic animation).The day u see a video where common man can travel or are shown convincing proof that a rocket was seen going to distance above 200 miles with HD footage u can convince me and convince everyone truly about round blue marble earth...that's as simple as it can be...

Earth's curvature can only be seen fully at a distance or altitude above 250 kms.(says the fraud's space agency)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbN-cWe0A0
(fish eyed lens)
Here is an amateur balloon footage with flat horizon near to the altitude claimed(127.520 ft approx) by that man...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiIuq8-vhDQ
(no fish eyed lens)
Someone is wrong?Before telling am wrong check whether what is shown is fair enough or not...
The iss live stream can be cgi if they cannot put their fake videos in a better way that can be convincing..
[video=youtube;stbAlT4gqgc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stbAlT4gqgc[/video]
Here is what look like convincing...

- There never was a man involved mission after moon hoax in 1960's and there never will be....
- The hennessy beverage commercial i uploaded earlier shows a man who reached stratosphere's upper levels with just a baloon not a rocket..the year he went that also is mentioned.If u research u can get clear ideas that nasa is fraud..They broadcast a commercial well knowing no one will believe.They nuked the firmament many times to breach God made barrier and they are agitated that they cant go further.No matter how much evidence u wont believe...

- There are no planets mentioned in Holy Scripture....only stars and constellations(Amos 3:7 KJV)

- The fake moon landing paved way to a more godless society than it was before..
(There are enough videos out in the net showing fake paintings of earth and the fake earth photo from appollo during the moon landing hoax,its upto each and everyone to discern-disney worked with space faking image production in early years of international fraud space missions,they all are the same worshiping lucifer....
There is no solar system its sun worship that's why there is a SUNDAY!)

Interpretations can be many but there is one and only one God and is recorded as sitting right over the waters above firmament.(Mathew 5;18 KJV)

The corporate cult frauds are looting the common man's money world wide and no one cares... and you or any common man cannot travel southpole and circum navigate to north pole and come back to starting point.If you know a group of people who went like that and succeeded (whom you trust and not some advertising firm) please send videos (not fake gps tracks and documents).

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
(Revelation 22:16)

So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.
(2 Peter 1:19)

[TABLE="class: maintext, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2532 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καὶ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5459 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]phōsphoros[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]φωσφόρος[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"][the] morning star[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adj-NMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]393 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]anateilē[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀνατείλῃ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]should have arisen[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-ASA-3S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1722 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]en[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἐν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]in[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tais[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ταῖς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-DFP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kardiais[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καρδίαις[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]hearts[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-DFP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]4771 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hymōn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ὑμῶν·[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of you;[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]PPro-G2P[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5459: φωσφόρος

φωσφόρος, φωσφορον(φῶςand φέρω), light-bringing, giving light (Aristophanes, Euripides, Plato, Plutarch, others); as a substantive, ὁφωσφόρος(Latin Lucifer), the planet Venus, the morning-star, day-star (Plato, Tim. Locr., p. 96 e.; Plutarch, others): 2 Peter 1:19, on the meaning of this passage, see λύχνος.

ji · Oct 23, 2016

posthuman said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a77EAFttcec
In the video above from 2:06 own wards u can see how day and night is happening truly.Its all about perspective.The gif animation u showed regarding sunrise is actually a matter of perspective when the area u stand n is huge compared to u.

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame;
wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

(Jude 1:13)

[TABLE="class: maintext, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]792 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]asteres[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀστέρες[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]stars[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-NMP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]4107 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]planētai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]πλανῆται,[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]wandering,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-NMP[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4107: πλάνης

[πλάνης, πλανητός, ὁ, see πλανήτης.]
STRONGS NT 4107: πλανήτηςπλανήτης, πλανητου, ὁ (πλανάω), a wanderer: ἀστέρες πλανῆται, wandering stars (Aristotle,Plutarch, others), Jude 1:13(where WH marginal reading ἀστέρεςπλανῆται (Xenophon, mem. 4, 7, 5)); see ἀστήρ, at the end

planet (n.)

late Old English planete, from Old French planete (Modern French planète), from Late Latin planeta, from Greek planetes, from (asteres) planetai "wandering (stars)," from planasthai "to wander," of uncertain etymology, possibly from PIE *pele- (2) "flat, to spread" on notion of "spread out," which would make it a relative of plane (n.1), "but the semantics are highly problematic," according to Beekes, who adds, "The meaning strongly recalls" plazein"to make devious, repel, dissuade from the right path, bewilder" (see plague (n.)) "but it is hard to think of a formal connection." So called because they have apparent motion, unlike the "fixed" stars. Originally including also the moon and sun; modern scientific sense of "world that orbits a star" is from 1630s. An enlarged form of Greek planes, planetos "who wanders around, wanderer," also "wandering star, planet," in medicine "unstable temperature."

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

previously covered ad nauseum.

the "perspective" argument is demonstrably nonsense:

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
this is what every living thing on earth for the complete history of earth has seen and can see every night:

we call it "sunset"

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
however this is what flat earth predicts:

there is no such thing as "sunset"

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]

Q.E.D.

ji · Oct 23, 2016

<font size="2">[video=youtube;MB1Qnh1zuHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB1Qnh1zuHo[/video]
In the video above from 1:58 own wards shows the actual footage of a sun rise on a flat horizon and also explanation for the curved horizon and distant sun...u can send a balloon and check for yourself..
Here again the altitude is very high and the horizon is also flat.
Its all about common sense.

Now if u don't want to check things which u can easily do; then the prob is easily identifiable and whom to blame..
Colossians 3:2 KJV

There are no aliens,no global warming(because there is no globe), no wars and only rumors of wars everywhere...It's all right in-front of everyone... (Mathew 24:6 KJV)

Still if u cannot perceive no matter how much u have read the bible doesn't matter because its overall a matter of Faith and i Pray that God open your eyes and ears to perceive what is truly happening...

ji · Oct 23, 2016

posthuman said:

you are right,there is no such thing as sunset when you look from above but there is when you look from the ground...

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

have a look at the link please:

http://www.bibleandscience.com/bible/books/genesis/genesis1_wanderingstars.htm

every visible planet is mentioned or alluded to in scripture.

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

that is the perspective from the ground.

perspective cannot explain the easily observable sunset/sunrise moonset/moonrise.

if you think it does, you don't understand what you are talking about.

it really is that simple to see that "flat earth" is idiocy.

sorry.

ji · Oct 23, 2016

posthuman said:

Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame;
wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

(Jude 1:13)

[TABLE="class: maintext, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]792 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]asteres[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀστέρες[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]stars[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-NMP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]4107 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]planētai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]πλανῆται,[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]wandering,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-NMP[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4107: πλάνης

[πλάνης, πλανητός, ὁ, see πλανήτης.]
STRONGS NT 4107: πλανήτηςπλανήτης, πλανητου, ὁ (πλανάω), a wanderer: ἀστέρες πλανῆται, wandering stars (Aristotle,Plutarch, others), Jude 1:13(where WH marginal reading ἀστέρεςπλανῆται (Xenophon, mem. 4, 7, 5)); see ἀστήρ, at the end

planet (n.)

late Old English planete, from Old French planete (Modern French planète), from Late Latin planeta, from Greek planetes, from (asteres) planetai "wandering (stars)," from planasthai "to wander," of uncertain etymology, possibly from PIE *pele- (2) "flat, to spread" on notion of "spread out," which would make it a relative of plane (n.1), "but the semantics are highly problematic," according to Beekes, who adds, "The meaning strongly recalls" plazein"to make devious, repel, dissuade from the right path, bewilder" (see plague (n.)) "but it is hard to think of a formal connection." So called because they have apparent motion, unlike the "fixed" stars. Originally including also the moon and sun; modern scientific sense of "world that orbits a star" is from 1630s. An enlarged form of Greek planes, planetos "who wanders around, wanderer," also "wandering star, planet," in medicine "unstable temperature."

Does nasa claim wandering stars are planets?They claim black holes for the dying stars....another imaginary scary fantasy...

What does a wandering star with got anything to do with fixed moving so called planets which don't exist?Any ancients records claiming about existence of planets other than pagan gods like mercury venus earth mars etc..?

ji · Oct 23, 2016

posthuman said:

yes you win....there is no point in talking here..

* - am a fool if what you said is all true and earth is globe...sorry oblate like egg....sorry maybe round sphere whatever..only thing is its represented using a perfect sphere which when practically explained can have variable distance from one point to another point compared to oblate ...round whatever sphere earth

* - and if what i told is right then let time prove it...no hard feelings for me...

Anyways i feel really free knowing that God is seated right above all this and not in some distant galaxy somewhere.That's the greatest fact for me.Am no more bothered about fake aliens,global nonsense warming,rumors of wars etc...because its all a world wide deception.

Didn't start reasoning to win a game and if what you claim is right then its going to be established .Truth never changes.Word of God never changes...and everyone's conscience will show what they heard and believed was right or wrong.

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

((not surprisingly)) you seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

"planet" or "planets" is a word that means "wanderer" or "wandering stars"
((i just demonstrated that for you))

Jude and Peter both had words for them both specifically and in aggregate in their vocabularies.

because from the surface of the earth, these heavenly bodies appear as stars, shining lights in the sky ((though they don't twinkle)) but they track in very odd, predictable, retrogadade-motion paths, unlike stars. i.e. they appear to wander.

the heliocentric model of the solar system perfectly explains their motion according to identifiable, universal, testable laws of gravity and motion. geocentric models can be made to mathematically match the observed motion of the planets, but only in the limit form, if you allow infinite cartoid paths looping infinitesimally, and in this case no observable, testable, demonstrable law explains their motion -- similarly in the disc-earth paradigm there are no identifiable physical laws that can explain any heavenly motions and even more damning, there are no more laws of optics ((and much more niggly details i'm going to go ahead and guess are way too far over your head to bother discussing)).

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

false.

But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
(1 Kings 8:27)

[TABLE="class: maintext, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2009 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hin-nêh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הִ֠נֵּה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]Behold[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]8064 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]haš-šā-ma-yim[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הַשָּׁמַ֜יִם[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the heaven[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]8064 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ū-šə-mê[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וּשְׁמֵ֤י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and heaven[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]8064 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]haš-šā-ma-yim[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הַשָּׁמַ֙יִם֙[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of heavens[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3808 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]lō[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]לֹ֣א[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]not[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3557 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]yə-ḵal-kə-lū-ḵā,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]יְכַלְכְּל֔וּךָ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]do contain you[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

are you serious?

there's an enormous amount of information about that.

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

i think i said before --

"you're nuts."

ji · Oct 23, 2016

posthuman said:

There is no science only scientology(its a pagan religion)..there are no names of any planet mentioned in Holy Scripture..if so mention...not vague descriptions.Bible clearly talks about so many stars and constellations,no planets...twisting words in bible and making one's own interpretation is wrong... like u said

http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/nh-pluto-charon-
v2-10-1-15.jpg?itok=v7myNOVY

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6068894.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/pluto-on-pluto.jpg

Check these two links and discern..and i think u wont get it still...by he way there was a news sometime back that pluto is not a planet sometime back(This is the problem with the so called science,there is no foundation..story is updated all the time)
Word of God never changes...and the man made fabricated science tells exactly opposite of what Bible says because its antichrist mockery of Christian Foundations.

ji · Oct 23, 2016

posthuman said:

No one is dear when u place God far away in some isolated darkness by letting your own imagination go wild on star wars and deep space nonsense.And i very well know that u dint check any of the videos or info i showed you because you are afraid of letting go what that has been deep rooted in u in the form of globe earth.

Let time prove everything and u must be aware that u have been sarcastic all the time u talked instead of reasoning sharply...and like i told am not arguing further when there is clear evidence that u dont want to pluck urslef out of deep space fantasies...
Also am getting out of this chat site and was looking for a time to do so..so no more probs from me.
And let time show everything...u can take the winners trophy for the best debater
For me Truth matters and about wars,....the history that we learned is not the actually that happened...It's all twisted..maybe someday u will realize it all.

ji · Oct 23, 2016

posthuman said:

Show one that goes according to biblical point of view....

posthuman · Oct 23, 2016

ji said:

none of this has anything to do with the ((demonstrated)) fact that every visible planet is either mentioned by name ((Venus, 'the morning star' or 'day star')) or is directly alluded to by the names of pagan gods directly associated ((via an enormous weight of history)) with particular planets ((a.k.a. "wandering stars")).

ergo your claim that "no planets mentioned in scripture" is false.

also your claim that there is no footage of objects leaving the surface, in orbit around the planet, or whizzing by that clearly show a spherical planet below them is false.

and your claim that perspective explains the apparent setting of the sun is false.

and your claim that the Bible says the earth is flat is false.

everything you've said so far is completely false.
lies.

that's all you've got -- and i've shown you several instances of it clearly.

but you keep talking? you're nuts. you've lost it. bonkers. there is something fundamentally not working correctly in your mind. i think we just established that here.

How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

ji

Guest

Senior Member

Senior Member

ji

Guest

Senior Member

Senior Member

ji

Guest

ji

Guest

Senior Member

Senior Member

ji

Guest

ji

Guest

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

ji

Guest

ji

Guest

ji

Guest

Senior Member