Revolutionizing Young Adult Ministries

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ChristianGuru

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I'm currently age 26, and I've attended Christian Young Adult Ministries since age 22.

My primary objectives years ago were: 1) break out of condemnation I felt and 2) date and get married. I accomplished one of these two goals. I broke out of the condemnation. The most important of the two goals.

In early 2009, I broke away from my ministry for further school education. My goal was to return in early 2010, which I did. Except, a shocker came into play during my time away. Mostly everyone had gotten married and left... or just downright left. Sending our ministry back into the dark ages of its roots. It was really striking to be at Easter service, having tons of friends in 2008, and now in 2010 everyone's gone.

In my time away I took a huge look at life. I broke Christian morals and broke all the rules. I was willing to go down in judgment hard if necessary. Life needed to be looked at from a reverse perspective. In 2009, I went out to clubs, had drinks, hit on overly made up girls, the works. I still balance the lifestyle of the world and church to this day, citing that I have no other choice, when confronted. Playing two sides of the ball. You get disrespected for your worldly life from Christians and Pastors, and disrepected for your Christian life from the world. Each side at odds with the other, demanding you play for their team.

It was over this chaotic balance that I saw through the smoke. Church and Christianity was the Christian's problem. Not the world. The world is always there and always will be there. Clubs and drinking is everywhere. I spoke candidly with a guy at a club I had met through my friend. He shared that he hated coming out to all these clubs. The only reason he was here was because he hated being alone. He said if he had a beautiful woman he wouldn't even care about all this. I could identify. Would I have ever gone to church as much as I did in the past if I was married? All my christian friends who got married skipped town at about 88mph.

Yet, it's hard to find a solid christian ministry... not just for growth or for dating but for a well balanced social life. The larger the young adult ministry the greater the room for more friends with common interests. Still, even if you find one, how well off are you? In a group of 10-20?

You need two primary things in a young adult ministry... 1) friends and 2) potential mates. That's before the whole spiritual realm of things. God and spirituality will be everpresent at church. It's like your Bible or Daystar. They're always there when you need them. You can pray to God anytime. Therefore, finding a place with 1) friend and 2) potential mates is where you need to be. That one hour of social a week, makes a huge difference. It opens you up to friends for Friday and Saturday nights. As Christians we spend enough time in our weeks reading the bible and praying.

I see a guy near 40, maybe over, bald who's all upset with himself at the end of a sermon. He openly complains about being single to one of the ushers who shares book suggestions with him. He acts like a chump and leaves like a chump as he heads back to his car. I smirk. I smirk because I know my data. What are the odds? How many single people are present? How many in my age range? Does the style of the evening provide social opportunities? In this jam packed church? There is a big difference between a sunday service and a group night. The answer is no. So why leave feeling like a failure? Instead attacks the odds like I did one night later, talking to one of the single women on the worship team who's absolutely adorable, setting the tone for future interactions.

In revolutionizing young adult ministries I realize that all of them may be limited by 1) vision and 2) church budgets. However, while examining all of the various clubs in cities. none of these are operating under church funding. Is it time to go outside the box as christians, as opposed to limiting ourselves to local and city churches?
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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#2
Wow I really enjoyed reading this, because unfortunatly I can relate.

Any youth ministry I've ever participated in was pretty lame. It was like daycare for high school: story time, activity, and snack. Even the college groups I've been to were pretty impersonal. Mostly kids not having much to do on a friday so they occationally show up then spend the week with their real friends.

The problem is that youth groups aren't being run like ministries. They're mostly supplimental places for youth to be while the grown ups tackle "real" spiritual issues. If any college group i've ever been to wasn't full of immature christians laughing about farts and judging what girl is cute enough to date- well maybe i'd attend.

What we need is real, passionate, gung-ho Christians who are willing to do outreach and have deep discussions about spiritual issues...and not just one night every other week. If I had to hear another lesson on being sexually pure, evangelism, or not drinking I was going to shoot myself. I'd much rather be talking about Jesus and who He is, or spirtual warefare and gifts, or an in depth-study on the history of the Bible.

I gave up long ago thinking I'd find a mate in church. I really dont care that much anyway. All I want are kids really- and I can get them anytime I want to later in life. I want to grow up in Christ and youth ministrys always seemed like a huge disappointment. I'd much rather attend a wonderful church with great teaching...I'm getting too old to attend them anyways.
 
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I tried running a young adults ministry the way the two of you are suggesting. Here's the thing: almost no one of the targeted age-group attended even though I personally invited people. Tell me, how would one organize or run something like this when people don't even want to be there in the first place?

It sounds so easy and simple the way you've put it but when you actually get down in the dirt to do exactly what you suggested, you'll find that no one will help, no one will attend, and those who do attend will not return if there is at least one little thing that they didn't like. Nope, they won't give you suggestions. Nope, they won't help you improve things. Nope, they won't come back the next week to see if things have changed. They will just disappear.

Try running the type of ministry that you're suggesting and I can guarantee that you'll have a new appreciative perspective on youth and young adult ministries.

There are lots of people who care for your and my age group but there is no point to care if the people of those respective groups don't want anyone to care.

[/end rant]
 
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Wow I really enjoyed reading this, because unfortunatly I can relate.

Any youth ministry I've ever participated in was pretty lame. It was like daycare for high school: story time, activity, and snack. Even the college groups I've been to were pretty impersonal. Mostly kids not having much to do on a friday so they occationally show up then spend the week with their real friends.

The problem is that youth groups aren't being run like ministries. They're mostly supplimental places for youth to be while the grown ups tackle "real" spiritual issues. If any college group i've ever been to wasn't full of immature christians laughing about farts and judging what girl is cute enough to date- well maybe i'd attend.

What we need is real, passionate, gung-ho Christians who are willing to do outreach and have deep discussions about spiritual issues...and not just one night every other week. If I had to hear another lesson on being sexually pure, evangelism, or not drinking I was going to shoot myself. I'd much rather be talking about Jesus and who He is, or spirtual warefare and gifts, or an in depth-study on the history of the Bible.

I gave up long ago thinking I'd find a mate in church. I really dont care that much anyway. All I want are kids really- and I can get them anytime I want to later in life. I want to grow up in Christ and youth ministrys always seemed like a huge disappointment. I'd much rather attend a wonderful church with great teaching...I'm getting too old to attend them anyways.
Immaturity is the big problem I've got too. Not spiritually immaturity but psychological immaturity. I get so many cool points just off being someone who was put through a public high school and college. So many people spent their lives home taught or at christian schools. I literally met 20-40 yr old males dealing with problems... with girls... I had when I was 12/13!!! However, the worst part is being lumped into the category of such people.

I'm also tired of the sexual purity issues and not drinking. I spent too much time worried about these things in college. If I could go back and do it all over... I would've listened less to my Pastor's in high school. High school and College can be rough places, but youth leaders made it tougher. The moral of the story is that they quite simply just want to prevent teenage pregnancy from within the church.

I've also given up (in 2008) "finding my future wife" (aka might as well keep believing in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny) that I was told about. It amazes me that guys in their late 20s, 30s and 40s keep believing in this, the same source of their failure.
 
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I tried running a young adults ministry the way the two of you are suggesting. Here's the thing: almost no one of the targeted age-group attended even though I personally invited people. Tell me, how would one organize or run something like this when people don't even want to be there in the first place?

It sounds so easy and simple the way you've put it but when you actually get down in the dirt to do exactly what you suggested, you'll find that no one will help, no one will attend, and those who do attend will not return if there is at least one little thing that they didn't like. Nope, they won't give you suggestions. Nope, they won't help you improve things. Nope, they won't come back the next week to see if things have changed. They will just disappear.

Try running the type of ministry that you're suggesting and I can guarantee that you'll have a new appreciative perspective on youth and young adult ministries.

There are lots of people who care for your and my age group but there is no point to care if the people of those respective groups don't want anyone to care.

[/end rant]
Short of marketing the group to an internet audience through web engine advertising, I'm at a complete loss of how to even revolutionize the young adult ministry. I've made all my favorite points of yours in bold. It sounds very familiar. People leaving over the little things and never returning. That's exactly what happened to the young adult ministry I attended last year.

I still can't understand why guys leave church frustrated when they can't find anyone to date? When they attend groups of 3-15 people. It's bad odds. I've been to huge colleges and gone a semester before finding a girl that was datable for me.
 
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Short of marketing the group to an internet audience through web engine advertising, I'm at a complete loss of how to even revolutionize the young adult ministry. I've made all my favorite points of yours in bold. It sounds very familiar. People leaving over the little things and never returning. That's exactly what happened to the young adult ministry I attended last year.
Sorry, I admit my rant was mostly frustration. I tried, I put my heart into it and no one cared - not even those I was trying to reach out to. All I can do is hope that God will take what little came out of it and impact these people in a positive way.

As for revolutionizing the young adult & youth ministry - I have no idea how but perhaps this will help you or someone in their quest. When I was running the ministry, I discovered the following:

1. Many of the adults do not realize how bad things are. They *think* they know what their children go through. They think their children are angels, haven't lost their virginity, do not have some kind of STD, do not have depression, have not attempted or thought of suicide, etc. etc. etc. the list goes on. What is their solution? Bible study. The youth & young adults don't want this because it's boring. So no one shows up and the ministry falls apart. I've met youth leaders who hold some Wii night and then pull the TV plug as soon as it's time for the Bible study. Fail.

2. Many of the youth & young adults can't see past their own beliefs. They *think* they know what the Bible says but if you show them the appropriate Scriptural verses & passages, they realize just how wrong they were and chalk it up to a preference of interpretation. They are also convinced that all Christians (except for themselves) need to lead a life pleasing to God. Only then, would they themselves need to live a life pleasing to God. Liberalism at its height.

For example, a few months ago, I asked for advice on how to deal with http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=9659. There's immaturity on all sides and all everyone could see were the specks of dust in each other's eye - of course, except for the giant plank. That is why you see me occasionally smacking down what I am now terming "Teen-Thought" with Kindergarten logic. Of course they understand (and most of them get offended) but they don't want to comprehend and use it as a mirror for their own lives. That is a key - use other people's errors as a mirror to your own shortcomings. I don't always do it but at least I am aware of it and (usually) reflect when the Holy Spirit reminds me.

The youth & young adults don't realize that they are setting themselves up for a colossal spanking from God. But I suppose that would be a good thing. I mean, I got my spanking so I guess when the time comes, they will wake up and fulfill God's calling.

3. The best way to reach out to them is to actively witness in their lives. This is a full-time job - one we should all be doing. But if you purposefully take up on the task, keep in mind that your faith and theology needs to be rock solid and you should at least have the basement built. There's no compromising on God's Word if this is your vocation because they will test your knowledge - you have my word on that. For example, they will test you on basic things such as topics of sexuality (they'll want to see how far you are willing to twist Scripture - they're not stupid - they know what the Bible says and what is right and what is wrong), theft (my own younger brother tested me to see how far I would go to eliminate software and media piracy from my life - that is, music, movies, software, etc.), and how you change (this one is the hardest - it has to come from God, no exceptions - so if you're not ready, it won't work).

Also, you cannot help anyone if you yourself have not understood and felt Christ's suffering (the word "felt" used in a semi-metaphorical sense). I'm not talking about some sad feelings when you read a Bible story that spring tears to your eyes. I'm not talking about how you had to turn to Jesus for comfort after a breakup with your girlfriend. I'm talking about a powerful testimony that you can share with the youth and young adults that relates to their lives: real pain administered by God. Basically, you need to share personal details on how God spanked you.

Best of luck and for the record, I have not given up on the ministry - I just feel that God has instructed me to approach it differently. Perhaps that is the "revolutionary method" you are looking for. ;)

I still can't understand why guys leave church frustrated when they can't find anyone to date? When they attend groups of 3-15 people. It's bad odds. I've been to huge colleges and gone a semester before finding a girl that was datable for me.
In fairness, I know where you are coming from on this issue. Since grade 7, I stopped joining youth/young adult groups. I found them to be pointless. I would meet a bunch of people my age then at school, they would pretend they didn't know me. Actually, I hate teens more than anyone else. I think the lot of them need to be shipped to Rwanda for a year. Maybe they'll behave after that. How ironic that I'm called (at least I think I got this right) to minister to the same age-group that tormented me and gave me the worst years of high-school life! God has a sense of humour, eh?

Then last year, I decided that I should join some kind of young adults group with like-minded and like-aged individuals who shared the same faith. Though you're looking for dating, I was looking for a potential wife. Hey, why not go the whole nine yards since I'm at it? ;) My requirement is simple. I was looking for a God-fearing Christian woman who earnestly seeks after Christ on a full-time basis particularly when it was most inconvenient to do so. I guess I set my bar a bit too high. Now I worry about something else: that I won't find such an individual until I'm 50.

Sigh, life is so unfair sometimes lol
 
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Sorry, I admit my rant was mostly frustration. I tried, I put my heart into it and no one cared - not even those I was trying to reach out to. All I can do is hope that God will take what little came out of it and impact these people in a positive way.

As for revolutionizing the young adult & youth ministry - I have no idea how but perhaps this will help you or someone in their quest. When I was running the ministry, I discovered the following:

1. Many of the adults do not realize how bad things are. They *think* they know what their children go through. They think their children are angels, haven't lost their virginity, do not have some kind of STD, do not have depression, have not attempted or thought of suicide, etc. etc. etc. the list goes on. What is their solution? Bible study. The youth & young adults don't want this because it's boring. So no one shows up and the ministry falls apart. I've met youth leaders who hold some Wii night and then pull the TV plug as soon as it's time for the Bible study. Fail.

2. Many of the youth & young adults can't see past their own beliefs. They *think* they know what the Bible says but if you show them the appropriate Scriptural verses & passages, they realize just how wrong they were and chalk it up to a preference of interpretation. They are also convinced that all Christians (except for themselves) need to lead a life pleasing to God. Only then, would they themselves need to live a life pleasing to God. Liberalism at its height.

For example, a few months ago, I asked for advice on how to deal with http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=9659. There's immaturity on all sides and all everyone could see were the specks of dust in each other's eye - of course, except for the giant plank. That is why you see me occasionally smacking down what I am now terming "Teen-Thought" with Kindergarten logic. Of course they understand (and most of them get offended) but they don't want to comprehend and use it as a mirror for their own lives. That is a key - use other people's errors as a mirror to your own shortcomings. I don't always do it but at least I am aware of it and (usually) reflect when the Holy Spirit reminds me.

The youth & young adults don't realize that they are setting themselves up for a colossal spanking from God. But I suppose that would be a good thing. I mean, I got my spanking so I guess when the time comes, they will wake up and fulfill God's calling.

3. The best way to reach out to them is to actively witness in their lives. This is a full-time job - one we should all be doing. But if you purposefully take up on the task, keep in mind that your faith and theology needs to be rock solid and you should at least have the basement built. There's no compromising on God's Word if this is your vocation because they will test your knowledge - you have my word on that. For example, they will test you on basic things such as topics of sexuality (they'll want to see how far you are willing to twist Scripture - they're not stupid - they know what the Bible says and what is right and what is wrong), theft (my own younger brother tested me to see how far I would go to eliminate software and media piracy from my life - that is, music, movies, software, etc.), and how you change (this one is the hardest - it has to come from God, no exceptions - so if you're not ready, it won't work).

Also, you cannot help anyone if you yourself have not understood and felt Christ's suffering (the word "felt" used in a semi-metaphorical sense). I'm not talking about some sad feelings when you read a Bible story that spring tears to your eyes. I'm not talking about how you had to turn to Jesus for comfort after a breakup with your girlfriend. I'm talking about a powerful testimony that you can share with the youth and young adults that relates to their lives: real pain administered by God. Basically, you need to share personal details on how God spanked you.

Best of luck and for the record, I have not given up on the ministry - I just feel that God has instructed me to approach it differently. Perhaps that is the "revolutionary method" you are looking for. ;)



In fairness, I know where you are coming from on this issue. Since grade 7, I stopped joining youth/young adult groups. I found them to be pointless. I would meet a bunch of people my age then at school, they would pretend they didn't know me. Actually, I hate teens more than anyone else. I think the lot of them need to be shipped to Rwanda for a year. Maybe they'll behave after that. How ironic that I'm called (at least I think I got this right) to minister to the same age-group that tormented me and gave me the worst years of high-school life! God has a sense of humour, eh?

Then last year, I decided that I should join some kind of young adults group with like-minded and like-aged individuals who shared the same faith. Though you're looking for dating, I was looking for a potential wife. Hey, why not go the whole nine yards since I'm at it? ;) My requirement is simple. I was looking for a God-fearing Christian woman who earnestly seeks after Christ on a full-time basis particularly when it was most inconvenient to do so. I guess I set my bar a bit too high. Now I worry about something else: that I won't find such an individual until I'm 50.

Sigh, life is so unfair sometimes lol
Awesome post.

I don't think someone should join a ministry with intentions of dating or finding a "future" wife. It'll become a game almost.

Also, for me, I don't see marriage as something I expect out of life, regardless of how much I want to be married (well not now of course but give me ten-fifteen years). I just live my life and if I happen to get married, then I'll see it as a pleasant surprise not a requirement.
 
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#8
Sorry, I admit my rant was mostly frustration. I tried, I put my heart into it and no one cared - not even those I was trying to reach out to. All I can do is hope that God will take what little came out of it and impact these people in a positive way.

As for revolutionizing the young adult & youth ministry - I have no idea how but perhaps this will help you or someone in their quest. When I was running the ministry, I discovered the following:

1. Many of the adults do not realize how bad things are. They *think* they know what their children go through. They think their children are angels, haven't lost their virginity, do not have some kind of STD, do not have depression, have not attempted or thought of suicide, etc. etc. etc. the list goes on. What is their solution? Bible study. The youth & young adults don't want this because it's boring. So no one shows up and the ministry falls apart. I've met youth leaders who hold some Wii night and then pull the TV plug as soon as it's time for the Bible study. Fail.

2. Many of the youth & young adults can't see past their own beliefs. They *think* they know what the Bible says but if you show them the appropriate Scriptural verses & passages, they realize just how wrong they were and chalk it up to a preference of interpretation. They are also convinced that all Christians (except for themselves) need to lead a life pleasing to God. Only then, would they themselves need to live a life pleasing to God. Liberalism at its height.

For example, a few months ago, I asked for advice on how to deal with http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=9659. There's immaturity on all sides and all everyone could see were the specks of dust in each other's eye - of course, except for the giant plank. That is why you see me occasionally smacking down what I am now terming "Teen-Thought" with Kindergarten logic. Of course they understand (and most of them get offended) but they don't want to comprehend and use it as a mirror for their own lives. That is a key - use other people's errors as a mirror to your own shortcomings. I don't always do it but at least I am aware of it and (usually) reflect when the Holy Spirit reminds me.

The youth & young adults don't realize that they are setting themselves up for a colossal spanking from God. But I suppose that would be a good thing. I mean, I got my spanking so I guess when the time comes, they will wake up and fulfill God's calling.

3. The best way to reach out to them is to actively witness in their lives. This is a full-time job - one we should all be doing. But if you purposefully take up on the task, keep in mind that your faith and theology needs to be rock solid and you should at least have the basement built. There's no compromising on God's Word if this is your vocation because they will test your knowledge - you have my word on that. For example, they will test you on basic things such as topics of sexuality (they'll want to see how far you are willing to twist Scripture - they're not stupid - they know what the Bible says and what is right and what is wrong), theft (my own younger brother tested me to see how far I would go to eliminate software and media piracy from my life - that is, music, movies, software, etc.), and how you change (this one is the hardest - it has to come from God, no exceptions - so if you're not ready, it won't work).

Also, you cannot help anyone if you yourself have not understood and felt Christ's suffering (the word "felt" used in a semi-metaphorical sense). I'm not talking about some sad feelings when you read a Bible story that spring tears to your eyes. I'm not talking about how you had to turn to Jesus for comfort after a breakup with your girlfriend. I'm talking about a powerful testimony that you can share with the youth and young adults that relates to their lives: real pain administered by God. Basically, you need to share personal details on how God spanked you.

Best of luck and for the record, I have not given up on the ministry - I just feel that God has instructed me to approach it differently. Perhaps that is the "revolutionary method" you are looking for. ;)



In fairness, I know where you are coming from on this issue. Since grade 7, I stopped joining youth/young adult groups. I found them to be pointless. I would meet a bunch of people my age then at school, they would pretend they didn't know me. Actually, I hate teens more than anyone else. I think the lot of them need to be shipped to Rwanda for a year. Maybe they'll behave after that. How ironic that I'm called (at least I think I got this right) to minister to the same age-group that tormented me and gave me the worst years of high-school life! God has a sense of humour, eh?

Then last year, I decided that I should join some kind of young adults group with like-minded and like-aged individuals who shared the same faith. Though you're looking for dating, I was looking for a potential wife. Hey, why not go the whole nine yards since I'm at it? ;) My requirement is simple. I was looking for a God-fearing Christian woman who earnestly seeks after Christ on a full-time basis particularly when it was most inconvenient to do so. I guess I set my bar a bit too high. Now I worry about something else: that I won't find such an individual until I'm 50.

Sigh, life is so unfair sometimes lol

I can certainly understand where you're coming from. You're completely right- theres almost no way to "win" in the youth ministry situation without divine intervention. You just need all the right people at all the right time.

One thing I have noticed is that most youth ministries dont work out because the idividuals have other friends that they are close to outside that ministry. Literally, no one is keeping them there. Danny might hang out at church this friday because Joey was busy. However if Danny is invited to Joey's house next week dont expect to find him at church.

When I was growing up, I was required every single sunday to attend church...unless I was gravely ill. Even then, I'd practically have to argue my way out of it. If that kind of dicipline was instilled in youth ministries you wouldn't have attendence problems and people might become closer friends.

I think the movie and video games lure is a tired way to appeal to youth. I mean some of them practically do those things everyday. If I were in charge I'd try to plan something crazy to get people excited. Ren fair or photography shoot with friends or kayaking or tea party with crazy french food you can't identify or making a statue out of toilet paper rolls contest-something that would be different for teens.
 
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ChristianGuru

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I think the movie and video games lure is a tired way to appeal to youth. I mean some of them practically do those things everyday. If I were in charge I'd try to plan something crazy to get people excited. Ren fair or photography shoot with friends or kayaking or tea party with crazy french food you can't identify or making a statue out of toilet paper rolls contest-something that would be different for teens.
This is a riot of truth to me. I play video games for 0 - an hour on any given day, have so for most of my life. When people ask me to play video games with me at church or even at their house I have zero ambitiion. I can play games anytime I want.
 
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ChristianGuru

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Awesome post.

I don't think someone should join a ministry with intentions of dating or finding a "future" wife. It'll become a game almost.
It is a game. Always will be a game. Like poker. The back of the cards are visible and read "Christian persona" and on the other side hidden from us read "Who would be ideal to date and get married too"
 
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ChristianGuru

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How ironic that I'm called (at least I think I got this right) to minister to the same age-group that tormented me and gave me the worst years of high-school life! God has a sense of humour, eh?

Then last year, I decided that I should join some kind of young adults group with like-minded and like-aged individuals who shared the same faith. Though you're looking for dating, I was looking for a potential wife. Hey, why not go the whole nine yards since I'm at it? ;) My requirement is simple. I was looking for a God-fearing Christian woman who earnestly seeks after Christ on a full-time basis particularly when it was most inconvenient to do so. I guess I set my bar a bit too high. Now I worry about something else: that I won't find such an individual until I'm 50.

Sigh, life is so unfair sometimes lol
Are you not ministering people that age due to your trials during that time in your life? That you feel you somehow can relate?

I don't look for a potential wife for a few reasons. I just look for potential girlfriends and see where it goes from there. I can't see the future.
 
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Are you not ministering people that age due to your trials during that time in your life? That you feel you somehow can relate?
Possibly, who knows (except for God)? Or perhaps I don't relate to their specific situations but understand that they take out their frustrations on others. The understanding could be awareness that something deeper is going on in their lives leading to empathy. Sometimes, it is harder to forgive and empathize than it is to sympathize.

Edit: Oh, I did not answer to your first question - I'm ministering to the older group: college and career age.
 
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It is a game. Always will be a game. Like poker. The back of the cards are visible and read "Christian persona" and on the other side hidden from us read "Who would be ideal to date and get married too"
Maybe that's why many relationships are short-lived - there's no sense of commitment or desire to something long-term. If I were to date, I'd choose anyone that's rather friendly and keeps their faith. But if I want someone to spend the rest of my life with, I would raise the bar high to ensure they are committed. Quite often, the ideal person to get married to is not the same as the ideal person to date.
 
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I can certainly understand where you're coming from. You're completely right- theres almost no way to "win" in the youth ministry situation without divine intervention. You just need all the right people at all the right time.
Yea but hey, that's like most things, right? We leave it up to God! :D

One thing I have noticed is that most youth ministries dont work out because the idividuals have other friends that they are close to outside that ministry. Literally, no one is keeping them there. Danny might hang out at church this friday because Joey was busy. However if Danny is invited to Joey's house next week dont expect to find him at church.
I didn't find that to be a big problem - I found that those who used to attend these things (those who grew up with Christianity at home) apparently had problems in their relationships with their parents. In turn, they don't attend and when they don't attend, it kinda rubs off on their friends not to bother either. I wouldn't go as far as to accuse someone of telling others not to come... but I also wouldn't be surprised if they did it without (not a spelling error) malicious intent.

When I was growing up, I was required every single sunday to attend church...unless I was gravely ill. Even then, I'd practically have to argue my way out of it. If that kind of dicipline was instilled in youth ministries you wouldn't have attendence problems and people might become closer friends.
So was I. You can force anyone under 18 to go but as soon as they leave home for college, you can't force them to come - not even the parents.

I think the movie and video games lure is a tired way to appeal to youth. I mean some of them practically do those things everyday. If I were in charge I'd try to plan something crazy to get people excited. Ren fair or photography shoot with friends or kayaking or tea party with crazy french food you can't identify or making a statue out of toilet paper rolls contest-something that would be different for teens.
Those are good ideas. I think it will not work if there is anything "Bible-study" about the whole thing. But perhaps something that's a more hands-on practice of living the faith would help. So, if we do the video games thing, perhaps we can try to take the equipment and setup at some orphanage. It's video games, but it's hands-on pragmatic practice of one's faith. Then maybe you can throw in a Bible verse here and there. ;) Maybe that's more meaningful?
 
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Those are good ideas. I think it will not work if there is anything "Bible-study" about the whole thing. But perhaps something that's a more hands-on practice of living the faith would help. So, if we do the video games thing, perhaps we can try to take the equipment and setup at some orphanage. It's video games, but it's hands-on pragmatic practice of one's faith. Then maybe you can throw in a Bible verse here and there. ;) Maybe that's more meaningful?
On reflection, that's a good idea! Do you think people will get offended if I don't tell them the venue and what we're really doing but make it some big hush hush secret surprise?
 
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Maybe that's why many relationships are short-lived - there's no sense of commitment or desire to something long-term. If I were to date, I'd choose anyone that's rather friendly and keeps their faith. But if I want someone to spend the rest of my life with, I would raise the bar high to ensure they are committed. Quite often, the ideal person to get married to is not the same as the ideal person to date.
Meet person - talk to person - get to know person

- Friendship or Relationship path will be defined by this point, how far it goes depends solely on the two individuals.
 
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Those are good ideas. I think it will not work if there is anything "Bible-study" about the whole thing. But perhaps something that's a more hands-on practice of living the faith would help. So, if we do the video games thing, perhaps we can try to take the equipment and setup at some orphanage. It's video games, but it's hands-on pragmatic practice of one's faith. Then maybe you can throw in a Bible verse here and there. ;) Maybe that's more meaningful?
Thats definately a sweet idea! Hey I'd attend if I lived near ya.
 
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I never enjoyed bible studies... especially because since they were being held on Friday nights! Who wants to work all week and then sit down on a Friday night at 7pm and study until 8:30pm with predominantly introverts?
 
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I never enjoyed bible studies... especially because since they were being held on Friday nights! Who wants to work all week and then sit down on a Friday night at 7pm and study until 8:30pm with predominantly introverts?
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