Is Thanksgiving satanic??

[hornetguy]

Well, I wouldn't say it's satanic, but it sure is hard on the women in my family. We have to start cooking the night before...lol

The women in your family cook? Cool.

 

[hornetguy]

Understandable. You may find it interesting to know that when the Most High commanded these, he said, forever, and even Paul honored them, and we know there is only one way now, that way is Yahshua/Jesus, not 2 ways one for Jew and one for Gentile. Finally ALL of them are about Yahshua/Jesus, created by Yah, and only 3 of the 7 have been fulfilled, the last 4 are about His return.

I'm sure Paul did honor Jewish feasts... he was a Pharisee, you know...

 

[hornetguy]

Understandable. You may find it interesting to know that when the Most High commanded these, he said, forever, and even Paul honored them, and we know there is only one way now, that way is Yahshua/Jesus, not 2 ways one for Jew and one for Gentile. Finally ALL of them are about Yahshua/Jesus, created by Yah, and only 3 of the 7 have been fulfilled, the last 4 are about His return.

I'm not sure what you mean by He "commanded" these days.... that scripture is only talking about how great it will be when all God's people are gathered together, and how their worship of God will be continuous.... it won't stop.

From new moon to new moon.... in other words ALL the time... from Sabbath to Sabbath... in other words ALL the time.

I see no "command" to "keep" those days, or celebrate them.. it was just saying "this is for how long the people will worship God"

“For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from sabbath to sabbath,
All [SUP][m][/SUP]mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

 

[Hizikyah]

I'm sure Paul did honor Jewish feasts... he was a Pharisee, you know...

How can you down something Yah created as bad? If you honor them or not does not make what Yah created wrong in someway, especially when they are all about Yahshua/Jesus, no worldly holiday can make that claim.

The pharisees did not honor YHWH, they made their own "feasts" and killed John the baptist father , the prophet Zecharyah for honor YHWH's feasts. Yahshua?jesus called them out for this...

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I mean post coming to Yahshua/Jesus, it's in Acts... and he did so with excitment:

Acts 18:21
But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that comes in Jerusalem: but I will return again to you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Acts 20:16
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hurried, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Acts 20:1-6
1 And after the uproar was ceased, Paul called to him the disciples, and embraced them, and departed for to go into Macedonia. 2 And when he had gone over those parts, and had given them much exhortation, he came into Greece, 3 And there stayed three months. And when the Jews laid wait for him, as he was about to sail into Syria, he purposed to return through Macedonia. 4 And there accompanied him into Asia Sopater of Berea; and of the Thessalonians, Aristarchus and Secundus; and Gaius of Derbe, and Timotheus; and of Asia, Tychicus and Trophimus. 5 These going before tarried for us at Troas. 6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came to them to Troas in five days; where we stayed seven days.

Acts 27:9
Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished them,"

3521. nésteia Strong's Concordance
nésteia: fasting, a fast
Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: nésteia
Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah)
Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement
Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.

 

[hornetguy]

Again.... Paul was a JEW. He did those things because it was his culture and heritage. We are not Jews, and we do not keep Jewish feasts... those feasts were simply a shadow of things to come... which was the new kingdom of Jesus...

[SUP]8 [/SUP]See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, [SUP][h][/SUP]rather than according to Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and in Him you have been made [SUP][i][/SUP]complete, and He is the head [SUP][j][/SUP]over all rule and authority; [SUP]11 [/SUP]and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; [SUP]12 [/SUP]having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]When you were dead [SUP][k][/SUP]in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]When He had [SUP][l][/SUP]disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through [SUP][m][/SUP]Him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore no one is to [SUP][n][/SUP]act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath [SUP][o][/SUP]day— [SUP]17 [/SUP]things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the [SUP][p][/SUP]substance [SUP][q][/SUP]belongs to Christ.

If you choose to keep Jewish festivals and new moons, etc.... good for you. If you try to make it binding on all believers, you are definitely wrong.

 

[Elizabeth619]

After reading this thread I've come The the conclusion most don't know the history of thanksgiving.
Heres a summary.... pilgrims came to America to escape religious persecution. They befriended some Indians and fellowshipped together thanking GOD and singing praises to Him.

 

[kaylagrl]

After reading this thread I've come The the conclusion most don't know the history of thanksgiving.
Heres a summary.... pilgrims came to America to escape religious persecution. They befriended some Indians and fellowshipped together thanking GOD and singing praises to Him.

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Check my post,you and I agree!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The women in your family cook? Cool.

Not so fast...they wear pants while they cook...

 

[Elizabeth619]

Since my boyfriend comes from a huge family I don't cook anymore. I just bring a dish to their thanksgiving. His moms family is sweet and quiet. Yet they love desert. The desert table is bigger than the meal table and they wonder why they're all diabetic.
Now his dad's family, they they crazy ones. There's always a fight. And it's always involving the aunts and over something stupid. As a matter of fact there's already a feud going on between 2 of Alaric's(the boyfriend) aunts now.
Bless his heart his aunts are so crazy I now know why his dad volunteered to go to Vietnam. It was a vacation for him.

 

[Elizabeth619]

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Check my post,you and I agree!

You and I generally agree anyway lol. I betcha if we knew each other in real life we would probably be close friends. That's the bummer about this site. Great people but they all love too far away.

 

[Hizikyah]

Again.... Paul was a JEW. He did those things because it was his culture and heritage. We are not Jews, and we do not keep Jewish feasts... those feasts were simply a shadow of things to come... which was the new kingdom of Jesus...



If you choose to keep Jewish festivals and new moons, etc.... good for you. If you try to make it binding on all believers, you are definitely wrong.

Everyone is free to choose what they want. All I have done is provide Scriptual evidence for the reasons I believe what I do, and as I have shown, using Scripture*, since Exodus the Feast's were made for Hebrew and Gentile alike.

One last question if I may, there is only one way to Yahshua/Jesus, Paul had accepted Yahshua/Jesus and still honored the Feast days, if it is as you say, would Paul not be wrong for preaching one thing and doing another and "returning to the Law"? Can he be a Jew (he was actually a Benjamite, not a Jew) following the "old ways" and be doing the will of Jesus at the same time? Im not trying to be smart, I'm really wanting you view, because you seem certian in this matter, and this is something I always wonder for people that had a different view than me, you see I can not see out of others eyes, so I need to ask, or I will neer know what others think.

*Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place; ministering position with power, and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; de filing, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16 Parallel Verses
The Scriptures
Numbers 15:15-16, "One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה.One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”

John (Yahanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

" except through Me." Paul knew this and still kept Feasts, and feasts were always for Gentiles too, shown above.

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[Stunnedbygrace]

Paul also said something like this...if one man thinks certain days are holy and another thinks every day is holy, let every man follow his conscience, because if he thinks something would be sinning and he does it anyway (or doesn't) then for him, it IS sin, because he isn't following his conscience.

That is highly paraphrased and I may be mashing together different verses, but this is how I understand it and how He taught me to see it. God is looking for men who will worship Him in spirit and truth and give Him their whole heart. If they do that, God is pleased. We are not leaving anything undone if we give Him our whole heart and seek Him every day.

We have to let men follow their own conscience and what the Spirit speaks to them. We have to.

 

[renewed_hope]

This year I will probably have Thanksgiving dinner later in the evening with my in-laws.

Look at you, looking on the positive side of things....it's nice

 

[kaylagrl]

You and I generally agree anyway lol. I betcha if we knew each other in real life we would probably be close friends. That's the bummer about this site. Great people but they all love too far away.

I know I have a couple ladies on here like that. It stinks because I really dont have a Christian lady friend to hang around with. The ladies in my church are all older,as sweet as they are. Ive often asked the Lord if he could send me a good Christian friend. So far Ive met some wonderful ladies here at CC so that will have to do.

 

[FlSnookman7]

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[FlSnookman7]

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Rom 14:5
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[FlSnookman7]

Paul also said something like this...if one man thinks certain days are holy and another thinks every day is holy, let every man follow his conscience, because if he thinks something would be sinning and he does it anyway (or doesn't) then for him, it IS sin, because he isn't following his conscience.

That is highly paraphrased and I may be mashing together different verses, but this is how I understand it and how He taught me to see it. God is looking for men who will worship Him in spirit and truth and give Him their whole heart. If they do that, God is pleased. We are not leaving anything undone if we give Him our whole heart and seek Him every day.

We have to let men follow their own conscience and what the Spirit speaks to them. We have to.

Romans 14 is what you might be referring to..

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Romans 14 is what you might be referring to..

Yes, thank you snook!
I still think I am bringing another verse in also, but I don't know how on earth to find it. When He recalls verses to my mind He doesn't tell me how to find them again!

 

[Hizikyah]

You do realize the Pharisees would persecute those who kept Feast days according to Scripture because the Jews changed them? Also does that not go both ways if it is how most read it? Why am I told, by some, that Im in trouble/doing the wrong thing for believing in Sabbath and High Sabbath?

 

[pottersclay]

Huh

​Apparently people do not know the history of thanksgiving. The Pilgrims, giving thanks for the first harvest after a long hard winter after leaving the tyranny of England to come to a new world with freedom of religion were the first to establish a day of thanks. George Washington also established a day of thanks,

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and—Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me “to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:”

Lincoln also established a national day of thanks during the civil war...

...at the height of the Civil War, in a proclamation entreating all Americans to ask God to “commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife” and to “heal the wounds of the nation.” He scheduled Thanksgiving for the final Thursday in November, and it was celebrated on that day every year until 1939 from the History Channel

Thanksgiving was not about taking only one day of the year to be thankful,it was and is about a national day of Thanksgiving. It happened after the first hard winter the Pilgrims survived,it happened during civil war, it happened during peace. It was nationally acknowledging the providence and provision of God. Because it has been corrupted by merchandising does not change the reason for the holiday. My family has never shopped on black Friday either.

Another interesting fact is the Jews sought refuge in the new land also, 2 or 3 years after the Plymouth rock thing.
They were escaping persecution from Europe. Columbus made the voyage several times.