Scientifically Proving the Existence of God

[BeyondET]

yes, but how did we find out about it in 2016. etc lol

god is not against learning or teaching others wisdom , the problem is what consequence will come from believing the wrong thing. if so, we would not have been born babies. etc

for example
who was the first human, to find out, when that human jumped off a cliff,from a great height and then hit the ground, they could die.. lol

How do we find out in 2016...

example
How do we know that Adam buried Eve after she died?

consequences happen when knowledge or technology is use for the wrong reasons. Expanding on knowledge of things isn't adding words to scripture rewriting the bible, reading a verse then exspanding on its meaning is good for learning, parables are a prime example. A Prophet wrote the creation account in Genesis, did He have a telescope to see the planet Mars or other planets in our solar system for they are not mentioned in the bible, do these planets exist IMO they do and later humans did start recognizing some stars were indeed planets. Did the Prophet have use for that info on other planets galaxies etc No.
can't teach new born babies on how the sun works aka nuclear fusion until they acquire science fundamentals.

 

[BeyondET]

This is not how science works though. "Science" is really just methodology. In an ideal scientific method, you set up repeatable, quantifiable experiments with controls, variables and stated hypotheses. Then you run repeatedly, make observations, do analysis and draw any conclusions.

Besides, you should know that the standard model is incomplete.

You typed and posted using science is that methodology?

 

[royalscot]

now let talk lingo . or the spoken word,.abomination
abomination
əbɒmɪˈneɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
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• a thing that causes disgust or loathing.
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  [TD]atrocity, disgrace, horror, obscenity, outrage, curse, torment, evil, crime, monstrosity,violation, bugbear, anathema, bane; bête noire
  "in both wars, internment was an abomination"
  
  
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  • a feeling of hatred.
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    [TD]detestation, loathing, hatred, aversion, antipathy, revulsion, repugnance, abhorrence,odium, execration, disgust, horror, hostility, disdain, contempt, distaste, dislike"he had a Calvinist abomination of indulgence"
    
    
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like an equation let me brake this up for you.

picture this around the year 19 44

a -bomb- a- nation.
and to think my best subject is writing lol.

 

[breno785au]

We are the Body of Christ.

Every Christian knows this...

Romans 12:5
"So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another"

Heck, this theme is even in the Old Testament...

Judges 20:11
"So all the men of Israel were gathered against the city, knit together as one man"

I believe in a literal interpretation of Scripture as well as metaphorical, historical, etc.

How dare you attempt to take that away from me, or other members!

If Members of the Church can be body parts, then so can the Twenty Four Elders.

If they wish to be God's Ribs, then I'm all for it.

Excuse me, I may not have expressed myself clearly..perhaps I can try again...Do you believe that there is a literal Throne Room and that God sits on a Throne which is surrounded by 24 elders just like it was revealed to John (and also to us)?

For further clarification, I do. I believe John saw that in the spirit. I believe it is a literal place. I also believe that God can and has established patterns. Going back to your post #44, God lives in our hearts as King and our heart is surrounded by 24 ribs, that's an awesome pattern of the literal place. BUT also, the role of our ribs is to protect, yes? I don't think God requires protection from the 24 elders obviously lol

 

[Base12]

Would anti- neutrino fit the bill?

Funny you say that.

When a Neutron beta decays into a Proton and Electron, it gives off an Anti-Neutrino.

The Neutron is the only particle that can 'begat' a Son...

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

 

[Base12]

IYO what could be some connections between the abundance of carbon and or the common forms of carbon?

I believe Nucleobases are *Key* to understanding Carbon and Scripture.

Nucleobases of course contain Carbon.

The term 'Terrible Crystal' I believe is a reference to Carbon and Diamonds...

Ezekiel 1:22
"And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above"

Also 'Ash' is a form of Carbon...

Genesis 18:27
"And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes"

Remember how I pointed out that Dust was DNA?

Now we see Abraham linking the word 'Ashes' to it.

In other words, Abraham is saying "I am but a Carbon Based Life Form".

Carbon is also 'Smoke of the Furnace'...

Revelation 9:2
"And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit"

Imagine the Bottomless Pit was a Test Tube in which a Chemist can create new Life Forms.

The 'Smoke' would be the Carbon Dioxide being exhaled by the creatures inside.

If we keep going with this hypothesis, we see that Ashes/Carbon/Dust can become a Biological Weapon...

Exodus 9:10
"And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast"

Why would Dust and Ashes become a disease if they weren't Biological?

This is the 'Code' God is trying to teach us, but He has to use Wisdom in order to make it stick.

It's everywhere...

Job 13:12
"Your remembrances are like unto ashes, your bodies to bodies of clay"

Bodies and Clay related to Ashes.

Job 30:19
"He hath cast me into the mire, and I am become like dust and ashes"

Carbon Based Life Form.

Carbon as food...

Psalms 102:9
"For I have eaten ashes like bread, and mingled my drink with weeping"

Over and Over, Carbon begin related to DNA, usually of Man...

Malachi 4:3
"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts"

 

[Base12]

Back to carbon here a verse on a diamond, could there be a verse or similar for graphite as well?
Jeremiah 17:1
The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the tablet of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars

There is something very special about that Verse.

Too much to explain, so I will be brief...

Iron = Iron Kingdom = Electromagnetism/Technology
Diamond = Carbon = 666
Tablet of Their Heart = Word of God = DNA
Horns of Altars = Seed of a Woman and Man at the Moment of Conception

 

[Base12]

What you posted isn't "scientifically" proving anything because you have not used an appropriate method"

Of course I have!

It's just that the method I use is very unusual because it is used to decipher a 'Code' rather than solve an equation or form a chemical compound.

I assure you, the work I present here has gone through rigorous amounts of Methodology. If the theory doesn't conform to them, I reject it.

Part of the Methodology is this...

Fuzzy Logic

"Fuzzy logic is a form of many-valued logic in which the truth values of variables may be any real number between 0 and 1, considered to be "fuzzy""
"By contrast, in Boolean logic, the truth values of variables may only be the "crisp" values 0 or 1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic

See, most people try and apply the latter Boolean Logic to this type of research, and fail because the Bible is 'Quantum' in nature. It uses Spread Spectrum Technology to maintain it's integrity, which is an extremely advanced way of communicating!

I also use 'Odds of Probability'.

For example... if I theorize that the Godhead is the generic structure of an Atom and that the Holy Ghost would represent the Electron, I need to prove that right?

Just because I think three of one thing, might be three of another, doesn't make it so.

So how do I 'prove' it?

Begin with a bit of Fuzzy Logic and increase the Odds of Probability until it goes beyond just a mere coincidence.

It's like flipping a coin and coming up with heads 90% of the time. Although it's not 100% (Boolean Logic), you know there is something unordinary about the odds (Fuzzy Logic). Something is rigging the game or whatever.

Thus... I can prove with at least a 90% chance that the Holy Ghost is representative of an Electron.

Observe:

We all know that the flow of Electrons creates Power, so...

Luke 1:35
"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God"

Acts 1:8
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth"

Acts 8:19
"Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost"
Acts 10:38
"How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him"

Romans 15:13
"Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost"

1 Thessalonians 1:5
"For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake"

Are you getting the idea?

How many times must Holy Ghost and Power be used together in the same Verse before we can honestly say to ourselves... "yeah, I think God is teaching us about the Electron"?

And what if Electrons actually looked like Ghosts?

At what point do we concede?

Not yet? Still not convinced? OK... what about the "flow" of Electrons... you know like Water and Current?

Mark 1:8
"I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost"

Are our bodies Electrical? Does not the Holy Ghost encompass every Cell in our Bodies?

Luke 3:22
"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased"

See what I'm saying?

How much of this will it take to place the Odds of Probability over 50%? 70% 90%?

Besides, you should know that the standard model is incomplete.

Lol, that's why I put Dark Matter in there, and perhaps one day... the Umim and Thumim.

I wonder what those Particles are?

 

[Base12]

Now then...

I've demonstrated how the Holy Ghost can be likened to the Electron.

Great, what about the rest of the Godhead?

What are the odds now that the Proton can match the Word or Son of God?

Then...

What are the odds that the Neutron would match up with the Father?

Do you folks understand what I'm getting at here?

At some point one has to say... "Yes, this is a perfect match!", but not after lots of study of the Word of God and Scientific Principles.

If One is too lazy to read what I'm posting, then sure it's easy to dismiss it all as 'babble' and 'poppycock'.

But Truly... who is the ignorant One?

OK, so let's do the Proton.

Every Chemist knows that it is the Proton that determines what Chemical Element an Atom is.

So for example:

1 Proton = Hydrogen
2 Protons = Helium
6 Protons = Carbon
7 Protons = Nitrogen

It is always this way, no exceptions.

Thus, the Proton is the "Word of God" that determines what an Atom is...

1 Word of God = Hydrogen
2 Words of God = Helium
6 Words of God = Carbon
7 Words of God= Nitrogen

OK, maybe we are at 50% probability that the Proton is the Son.

Now keep going with this assumption...

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

Did you know that the Neutron is the only Sub-Atomic Particle that can 'begat' a Proton?

So now we are at 60% probability.

What else?

Hebrews 1:3
"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"

The Son sits at the right hand of the Father.

You know what that's called?

A Nucleus.

So now we are at 70% probability.

Do you get it now?

 

[Base12]

a -bomb- a- nation

 

[Base12]

 

[Base12]

now let talk lingo . or the spoken word, abomination

Abomination.

Now there's a Can of Worms.



The Good Book says...

Matthew 24:15
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)"

Of course we all know that once the above happens, it's over... that's all folks.

It is the end of the World as we know it.

Why?

Why would an abomination sitting inside the Temple be such a big deal?

I mean come on... God is going to exterminate the entire Human Race, along with all life on the planet, because some shmuck decided to walk into the Temple and say "neener neener... I'm in the Temple, ha ha".

Really?

That's the straw that broke the camels back?

Everything gets destroyed?

Yes!

For we all know that the Temple is the Human Body...

1 Corinthians 6:19
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

And how does a Body or Temple begin it's life?

AS SINGLE CELL ORGANISM AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION...

Remember People... Fuzzy Logic and Odds of Probability.

Meditate on those two slides and read this...

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"

That my friends is called Genetic Engineering.

Transhumanism.

Prophesied thousands of years ago!

An Abomination in the Holy Place is non other than GMO.

Ever eat any GMO foods?

Yeah... now is the time for all good Christians to 'chat' about these things.

 

[BrokenSparrow]

This is kind of interesting. However, I think some people should proceed with caution on this type of study. A lot of times science has been set up to disprove the existence of God and if someone who is not secure in their belief of God does a study like this it may cause them to conclude with nothing but unnecessary questions of their faith.

All of this is a little bit higher than my understanding. All I really know is that they will never be able to disprove the existence of God.

 

[pottersclay]

This is way above my understanding, but I like it. It shows that God has a design in his creation. That all things are possible. But what it could never prove is how God controls all of it which brings us to the conclusion " there is a God.".
The appointed times in the bible are proof of that.
God himself had no beginning and surly has no end, stepping out of the box here is found in genesis 1 verse one, in the beginning God, also " every thing made was made by him".
This may be evidence of how things take place and it surly points to a more profound existence that we cannot comprehend but never forget that before all this was he is.
As God is the creator of all things seen and unseen we could never pen the words " the beginning of God". But only " in the beginning God.

 

[BeyondET]

Two other elements in the mix as well are Oxygen third most abundant element in universe along with the fifth most abundant Neon.

 

[royalscot]

all thing possable. etc

why did you not use the word air. how many of the bible writers would know the meaning of Oxygen.

42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead Acts 10

they are not dead yet, if we are living.etc

 

[posthuman]

Two other elements in the mix as well are Oxygen third most abundant element in universe along with the fifth most abundant Neon.

not counting photons.

((because they don't seem to have mass))

((or maybe they do))

 

[posthuman]

And what if Electrons actually looked like Ghosts?

this is ridiculous. inviting ridicule.

what do you know of what "ghosts" look like? & these aren't even images of electrons -- they are ((rather, might be - what's this image source, please?)) probability distribution maps of the possible location of an electron.

and electrons don't "create power" -- the electromagnetic force isn't even the strongest force in an atom, and power is a force over a distance per unit time: the rate of work.

you're being very sloppy with physics, not "proving" anything but stretching analogies very very thin.

 

[posthuman]

these aren't even images of electrons -- they are ((rather, might be - what's this image source, please?)) probability distribution maps of the possible location of an electron.

found it.



a selection of cross-sectional location probability diagrams for stable orbits in an hydrogen atom generated by David Manthey's free Orbital Viewer software, available here:

http://www.orbitals.com/orb/ov.htm

slices of a three-dimensional plot of a wave function.
2-d slices revealing interior views of a complex cloud. not a full picture. from the outside? it looks like a fuzzy orb.
are you going to tell us this is the Holy Spirit next?



"ghosts" ?

you know they thought Jesus Christ was a ghost when He appeared in the upper room. i sincerely doubt He looked like this.

"zeal without knowledge" can get people into very bad positions.

 

[psalm6819]

@Base12, I've found this VERY informative as I love physics. Quatum mechanics bring to mind the verse about the greatest being the least, however, where I have the issue is sometimes it seems a bit like glorifying the creation over the Creator.

While there are things beyond my understanding, my attitude is science will catch up with the Bible so I don't struggle when something doesn't fit the model or force it to fit....that's where faith comes in.