Scientifically Proving the Existence of God
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there's this, and there's also i think he's being very sloppy with actual science, forcing analogies and metaphors into places they really don't fit. in some places, he's dropping the truth in favor of glorifying a metaphor, with a thin knowledge of nature that he picks up or drops according to how he wants to use it.
glorifying analogy with disregard in some cases for the truth. within the space of just a few posts, he's latched onto the outdated Bohr model of the atom as it suits his purpose, then switched to a quantum model and totally misrepresented it. there are contradictory models all over the place in here side by side without reconciliation.
this thread has not been a place to learn science.
it's like these sketchy analogies are what matters, not the truth.
and like i said much earlier in the thread, and recently repeated -- no matter how many awkward analogies one can draw out by misrepresenting the Bible and misrepresenting the truth of the natural world, even no matter how many beautiful ones actually fit, none of this is "proof" -- the thread title is total misnomer.
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i do like the basic concept of the website he's copy-pasting into our forum, but in order for such talk to be meaningful, i really think we ought to be much more careful and honest about what the truth of nature actually is.
but is this actual talk? or flooding?
by the way, here's a paper about what would actually happen if a black hole the size of an atom were to collide with the earth:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1203.3806
short answer: mild tremors detectable by seismograph if you knew just what to look for. not much else.
and at places like CERN? it's possible at higher energies than what they are currently capable of, a black hole millions of times smaller than that might be created. at quantum scales. which would disintegrate around 10[SUP]-27[/SUP] seconds after forming, and could easily be missed even by the most sensitive detectors.
"zeal without knowledge" is dangerous, dude. i'm telling ya
https://arxiv.org/abs/1203.3806
short answer: mild tremors detectable by seismograph if you knew just what to look for. not much else.
and at places like CERN? it's possible at higher energies than what they are currently capable of, a black hole millions of times smaller than that might be created. at quantum scales. which would disintegrate around 10[SUP]-27[/SUP] seconds after forming, and could easily be missed even by the most sensitive detectors.
"zeal without knowledge" is dangerous, dude. i'm telling ya
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You bring up a good point brother about knowledge of science did they know about what makes up the air in our atmosphere not likely. What we call Air is a combination of elements that allows people to live/breath by God design. The air we breathe is made up of lots of other things besides oxygen. Oxygen only makes up about 21% of air. About 78% of the air we breathe is made up of another gas nitrogen. There are also tiny amounts of other gases like argon,carbon dioxide and methane.
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Romans 10: 10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
All the science and knowledge will not convince the unbeliever.
The Bible says that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God
So don't look to science for proof of God instead look to see where science is validated by the Bible.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
All the science and knowledge will not convince the unbeliever.
The Bible says that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God
So don't look to science for proof of God instead look to see where science is validated by the Bible.
R
i appreciate the intent of the person wanting to show various spiritual concepts being illustrated in God's creation...
unfortunately most of what i have seen in this thread involves serious stretches of imagination and often unjustified analogy...along with some plain good old junk science...
also as someone with experience of new age belief systems...i have also not failed to notice the way the claims being made resemble similar claims in kabbalism and hermeticism and other mystical or occult teachings...the ice is very thin...
unfortunately most of what i have seen in this thread involves serious stretches of imagination and often unjustified analogy...along with some plain good old junk science...
also as someone with experience of new age belief systems...i have also not failed to notice the way the claims being made resemble similar claims in kabbalism and hermeticism and other mystical or occult teachings...the ice is very thin...
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Re:21:1: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Re:21:2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Re:21:3: And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Re:21:4: And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Re:21:5: And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Re:21:6: And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Re:21:7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Re:21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Re:21:9: And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Re:21:10: And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Re:21:11: Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Re:21:12: And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Re:21:13: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Re:21:14: And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Re:21:15: And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Re:21:16: And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Re:21:17: And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Re:21:18: And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Re:21:19: And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Re:21:20: The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Re:21:21: And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Re:21:22: And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Re:21:23: And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Re:21:24: And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Re:21:25: And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Re:21:26: And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Re:21:27: And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
R
while i don't believe high energy physicists can unlock gateways for antimatter demons to come through...i do wonder if there are any causal parallels between the spiritual realm as described in scripture and the still puzzling realm of modern physics...
entropy and the curse of sin for example...
or if 'faith' can -truly- be quantified as in 'the size of a mustard seed'...
entropy and the curse of sin for example...
or if 'faith' can -truly- be quantified as in 'the size of a mustard seed'...
god is also a key teacher. i had an epiphany when i visited a building in gles gy .
two 8pus in jam jars with a sign next to them , the 8pus when anger is red, when the 8pus ie really mad it turn white.
and in the class case, was two octopus, in jam jars, white in colour.
even naive need taught. etc
two 8pus in jam jars with a sign next to them , the 8pus when anger is red, when the 8pus ie really mad it turn white.
and in the class case, was two octopus, in jam jars, white in colour.
even naive need taught. etc
yes, me too. Paul writes in Romans that the whole creation was "subject to frustration" and waits for His glory to be revealed in us. is entropy part in that? maybe, but it's not the whole story, and it's not clear to me that what that part is, if it is part.
and faith quantifiable? most certainly so: how many times does Jesus lament over the "little faith" so many have, and how He rejoiced over the "great faith" of a few!
but while i would love to discuss and muse about such things, i'm not about to go manufacture a meme and start spreading it everywhere as though it is the revealing of great mysteries, with imperfect understanding. not on those subjects. IMHO these are things to be discussed, learned about, sought after - not spoken of as though i am some sort of prophet, even though i have had education in science and He has opened my eyes to some truth.
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what i find interesting about entropy is that the increasing 'groanings' of creation seem to track the increase in the entropy of the universe...could they be two sides of the same thing? i don't know...
about faith being quantifiable...i meant -literally- quantifiable...does the notion of 'faith the size of a mustard seed' imply that faith is a thing with mass or volume? is there some kind of undiscovered subatomic particle of faith? again i don't know...
i agree that these ideas are for enigmatic puzzles and fleeting glimpses of mysteries for those who like to contemplate and speculate both scientifically and spiritually...not something that anyone is qualified or knowledgeable to teach as the 'true system of the universe'...
about faith being quantifiable...i meant -literally- quantifiable...does the notion of 'faith the size of a mustard seed' imply that faith is a thing with mass or volume? is there some kind of undiscovered subatomic particle of faith? again i don't know...
i agree that these ideas are for enigmatic puzzles and fleeting glimpses of mysteries for those who like to contemplate and speculate both scientifically and spiritually...not something that anyone is qualified or knowledgeable to teach as the 'true system of the universe'...
how many people read this and miss vvs. 9-10?
the city is not the dwelling place of men -- it is us, the Bride, the dwelling place of God even now being fashioned
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
(1 Peter 2:5)
12 gates: each a single pearl. (1 Peter 2:5)
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls,who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.
(Matthew 13:45-46)
(Matthew 13:45-46)
He set aside His glory, and gave Himself, to purchase us
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the faith that is always growing (devotion) is the sower parable but when it becomes taller than any other tree, it is wise to be aware of the birds that might come nest in its branches.
The Faith that moves a mountain is Faith in (motion) but how little faith they had if they knew what a small thing it is to really accomplishing things in that little is much when it comes from God.
The Faith that moves a mountain is Faith in (motion) but how little faith they had if they knew what a small thing it is to really accomplishing things in that little is much when it comes from God.