The King James Only Debate

[The_Bible]

Do you realise that Tyndale did not issue an Old Testament, so the King James Old testament has only been refined 6 times. The Psalm 12:6-7 is also taken out of context, something that cults love to do, cherry pick a single verse and re-mould it into what they believe. Refined 7 times is simply stating how perfect and pure everything God says or does , it is not some abstract obscure prophecy for the King James bible.

We know the verse does not mean NECESSARILY the process of the KJV but is a hella of good evidence to say is the KJV. Tyndale did not make a complete bible but he did make roughly half of the OT and the entire NT. So yea it wasn't finished but the rest of the continous Bibles obviously had added what needed to be done which would basically include it as a bible. Also the KJV took 7 years to complete and uses the ORIGINAL manuscripts used from the Church of Antioch.

God promised to preserve his word so then I ask where is it? If is not the KJV where is it? All these new Bibles and manuscripts popping up mysteriously from Catholic monks sounds suspicious we already know what Jesus told us about that, for further evidence look at my signature.

Matthew 24:26 - Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he [the word] is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he [the word] is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[Yonah]

Here's the process.

1) Get saved (repent).
2) Get baptized. (immersed in the word).
3) Give birth to the spirit man (born agan).
4) Feed the spiritual baby milk.... any part of the bible that does not require chewing and is easily digestible.
5) Afer the baby is weaned, start feeding the spirit man meat... things in the bible that require chewing and digestion.

yes that is obvious but thank you, that still does not address why a certain version of the scriptures is needed , I myself use many versions when I study, the Hebrew OT is one of my favorite , but I always begin with the KJV, not because I thinks that version is infallible (because its not) but because its compatable with the strongs and the AHLB and is a good starting point, personally I think the Arimaic peshita is one of the most accurate, the Spetuigent is of but I preffer for deeper studies the stones addition of the Hebrew text.... I said all that to say this , as I said before the fathers arm is not shortened and he doesn't need the KJV or any other to reach the heart, many are led to our Savior before they even read a bible, in any version, the Father well knows the needs and ability to understand in each of His children and we should trust his wisdom above any mans opinions to be led to the truth in the way H3e chooses. there is no mandate in all of the 66 books we now have saying a certain version is superior and inerrant. if there is please post that text for study.

 

[The_Bible]

yes that is obvious but thank you, that still does not address why a certain version of the scriptures is needed , I myself use many versions when I study, the Hebrew OT is one of my favorite , but I always begin with the KJV, not because I thinks that version is infallible (because its not) but because its compatable with the strongs and the AHLB and is a good starting point, personally I think the Arimaic peshita is one of the most accurate, the Spetuigent is of but I preffer for deeper studies the stones addition of the Hebrew text.... I said all that to say this , as I said before the fathers arm is not shortened and he doesn't need the KJV or any other to reach the heart, many are led to our Savior before they even read a bible, in any version, the Father well knows the needs and ability to understand in each of His children and we should trust his wisdom above any mans opinions to be led to the truth in the way H3e chooses. there is no mandate in all of the 66 books we now have saying a certain version is superior and inerrant. if there is please post that text for study.

Brethren, I don't think the argument is whether the KJV is the only one needed to be saved, no ofc not. God can use the very devil to send you a message. So is not whether KJV is the only one that saves but rather that the KJV is the ONLY infallible word of God in ENGLISH. I would not trust any hebrew unless you are a very well scholar but even then the language has been changed so is very risky, if one knows english, why go and learn hebrew to "learn more"? if a book CANNOT be translated perfectly then it cannot be learned this book being not an ordinary book but the word of GOD. The hebrew Bible include the Talmud which is the very reason they did not understand Christ was the messiah. Jesus had condemned them as hypocrites and not following God's laws righteously due to the pharisees who created the Talmud.

 

[KJV1611]

How can you be saved/repent without being born again?

True repentance (not regret) produces a changed life and it comes from God. True repentance is salvation. Being born again is the literal birth or our inner man.

The first birth (physical man) is created by DNA (words).
The second birth (spirit man) is created the same way.... words (spiritual DNA).

The second birth is the birth of our inner man which is Christ formed in us. "Christ in us" does not mean that the literal spirit of Christ comes into a believer and posesses the beliver. Think about it, if the literal spirit of Christ entered into the believer, Christs' spirit would not be born into the believer, neither would that Christ need to be formed in the believer... it would just enter into us fully developed.

The Christ in us is the Christ of our mind... in other words our view of who Christ is. That Chirst is formed completely by A) What others tell us about Christ and B) what we read about Christ in the bible.

Trofimus I truly believe that you are saved but I also see that the Christ in you is different than the Christ in me... our views on Christ are different. This is a very complicated concept to explain and I probably didn't well.

 

[Yonah]

Brethren, I don't think the argument is whether the KJV is the only one needed to be saved, no ofc not. God can use the very devil to send you a message. So is not whether KJV is the only one that saves but rather that the KJV is the ONLY infallible word of God in ENGLISH. I would not trust any hebrew unless you are a very well scholar but even then the language has been changed so is very risky, if one knows english, why go and learn hebrew to "learn more"? if a book CANNOT be translated perfectly then it cannot be learned this book being not an ordinary book but the word of GOD. The hebrew Bible include the Talmud which is the very reason they did not understand Christ was the messiah. Jesus had condemned them as hypocrites and not following God's laws righteously due to the pharisees who created the Talmud.

actually my Hebrew bible does not include the Talmud, you do realize the Talmud is many volumes and would actually be impracticle to add to another... and the question wasn't about salvation... never was, the question is about the valididty of one version over another, and I agree the Word of the Almighty is alive no matter how it is translated or transliterated by man.

 

[The_Bible]

actually my Hebrew bible does not include the Talmud, you do realize the Talmud is many volumes and would actually be impracticle to add to another... and the question wasn't about salvation... never was, the question is about the valididty of one version over another, and I agree the Word of the Almighty is alive no matter how it is translated or transliterated by man.

The Hebrew Bible that ik Jews use the texts of Mishnah, Gemara, Midrash which MAKE UP the Talmud it won't actally say Talmud is what i meant. So it depends on the types of texts your Bible uses for the OT it SHOULD be the Masoretic Text from the Masoretes Jews themselves. There are soo many Bibles to say that each and every one of them are correct that's clear infiltration of the churches within the word of God. That's how we have cults like mormonism, JW, etc etc. They obviously all don't say fhe same like the NIV the most sold Bible beating the KJV, supposed easy to read but what you don't know is that it literally takes verses out, gives credit to a Jesus attribute to Satan, and the very company that produces the NIV produced the satanic bible & somodite books. Bible says a good tree would never beat bad fruit & vice versa. It's pretty clear and logical Satan would obviously have to attack the word of God and what did Jesus tell him?

Matthew 4:4 - But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 6:43 - For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


Romans 16:17 - Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

[KJV1611]

yes that is obvious but thank you, that still does not address why a certain version of the scriptures is needed , I myself use many versions when I study, the Hebrew OT is one of my favorite , but I always begin with the KJV, not because I thinks that version is infallible (because its not) but because its compatable with the strongs and the AHLB and is a good starting point, personally I think the Arimaic peshita is one of the most accurate, the Spetuigent is of but I preffer for deeper studies the stones addition of the Hebrew text.... I said all that to say this , as I said before the fathers arm is not shortened and he doesn't need the KJV or any other to reach the heart, many are led to our Savior before they even read a bible, in any version, the Father well knows the needs and ability to understand in each of His children and we should trust his wisdom above any mans opinions to be led to the truth in the way H3e chooses. there is no mandate in all of the 66 books we now have saying a certain version is superior and inerrant. if there is please post that text for study.

There is a mandate in scripture that says a certain version is superior and inerrant.

1 Peter 1:23-25 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

[24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

[25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

That's why I gave the order in the previous post. First get saved, next being born again by incorruptible seed. Incorruptible seed is inerrant.

 

[Dino246]

The Hebrew Bible that ik Jews use the texts of Mishnah, Gemara, Midrash which MAKE UP the Talmud it won't actally say Talmud is what i meant. So it depends on the types of texts your Bible uses for the OT it SHOULD be the Masoretic Text from the Masoretes Jews themselves. There are soo many Bibles to say that each and every one of them are correct that's clear infiltration of the churches within the word of God. That's how we have cults like mormonism, JW, etc etc. They obviously all don't say fhe same like the NIV the most sold Bible beating the KJV, supposed easy to read but what you don't know is that it literally takes verses out, gives credit to a Jesus attribute to Satan, and the very company that produces the NIV produced the satanic bible & somodite books. Bible says a good tree would never beat bad fruit & vice versa. It's pretty clear and logical Satan would obviously have to attack the word of God and what did Jesus tell him?

Matthew 4:4 - But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 6:43 - For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


Romans 16:17 - Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Proper punctuation and sentence structure would make your posts much easier to read. The KJV is a great example for this.

Don't confuse cults that claim other books are from God (Joseph Smith's fantasy novel for example) with Christians who simply hold views different from yours.

Your quote of Romans 16:17 could just as easily be pointed at you and other KJVo proponents. There is much division in the body of Christ brought in by people who hold to that view. If you're concerned about some causing division, don't cause it yourself. Calm rational discussion and disagreement is not division. Even Paul himself had arguments... read the end of Acts 15.

Do some more reading about the alleged "missing" verses. There are good reasons why some newer translations omit them. The KJV is not the standard against which all others are measured. It is just as valid to claim that the KJV translators added words and verses that didn't belong there.

 

[Dan_473]

1 CORINTHIANS 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect

how did these Christians, who couldn't access a perfect Bible, become perfect?

 

[notuptome]

There is a mandate in scripture that says a certain version is superior and inerrant.



That's why I gave the order in the previous post. First get saved, next being born again by incorruptible seed. Incorruptible seed is inerrant.

Sort of like get wet when you take a bath??

FYI Getting saved and being born again are the same thing not two separate events.

Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved


For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[John146]

yes that is obvious but thank you, that still does not address why a certain version of the scriptures is needed , I myself use many versions when I study, the Hebrew OT is one of my favorite , but I always begin with the KJV, not because I thinks that version is infallible (because its not) but because its compatable with the strongs and the AHLB and is a good starting point, personally I think the Arimaic peshita is one of the most accurate, the Spetuigent is of but I preffer for deeper studies the stones addition of the Hebrew text.... I said all that to say this , as I said before the fathers arm is not shortened and he doesn't need the KJV or any other to reach the heart, many are led to our Savior before they even read a bible, in any version, the Father well knows the needs and ability to understand in each of His children and we should trust his wisdom above any mans opinions to be led to the truth in the way H3e chooses. there is no mandate in all of the 66 books we now have saying a certain version is superior and inerrant. if there is please post that text for study.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Here's a command to sanctify us through the truth of the word of God. Is God's word truth? Do we have it? Can you provide a Bible where every word of it is true? If a Bible cannot be trusted in every word, then that Bible is not the word of truth.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

If I am to live for God, I need every word that He has given me. Do we have that? Do we have a Bible in which we can trust every word to be true?

 

[KJV1611]

Proper punctuation and sentence structure would make your posts much easier to read. The KJV is a great example for this.

Don't confuse cults that claim other books are from God (Joseph Smith's fantasy novel for example) with Christians who simply hold views different from yours.

Your quote of Romans 16:17 could just as easily be pointed at you and other KJVo proponents. There is much division in the body of Christ brought in by people who hold to that view. If you're concerned about some causing division, don't cause it yourself. Calm rational discussion and disagreement is not division. Even Paul himself had arguments... read the end of Acts 15.

Do some more reading about the alleged "missing" verses. There are good reasons why some newer translations omit them. The KJV is not the standard against which all others are measured. It is just as valid to claim that the KJV translators added words and verses that didn't belong there.

The KJV transloators did add and change words, the question is did they do it of their own accord or did God inspire them to do so. The way to know who's responsible is to examine the changes, do the changes contradict any other doctrine and do they bring more light or less light than the original languages.

 

[KJV1611]

1 CORINTHIANS 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect

how did these Christians, who couldn't access a perfect Bible, become perfect?

Anybody who is saved is perfect.

 

[KJV1611]

Sort of like get wet when you take a bath??

FYI Getting saved and being born again are the same thing not two separate events.

Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved


For the cause of Christ
Roger

It's not a debateable point, they are not the same. Paul talking to saved Galatians was travailing in birth to form Christ in them. Christ in us is the born again part of us.

Galatians 4:19 KJV
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

 

[The_Bible]

Proper punctuation and sentence structure would make your posts much easier to read. The KJV is a great example for this.

Don't confuse cults that claim other books are from God (Joseph Smith's fantasy novel for example) with Christians who simply hold views different from yours.

Your quote of Romans 16:17 could just as easily be pointed at you and other KJVo proponents. There is much division in the body of Christ brought in by people who hold to that view. If you're concerned about some causing division, don't cause it yourself. Calm rational discussion and disagreement is not division. Even Paul himself had arguments... read the end of Acts 15.

Do some more reading about the alleged "missing" verses. There are good reasons why some newer translations omit them. The KJV is not the standard against which all others are measured. It is just as valid to claim that the KJV translators added words and verses that didn't belong there.

Difference is I'm giving evidence as to why Bibles should be KJV only. I am not discussing this bc you are not being calm but bc you seem to lack the knowledge of the corruptions on Bibles. For example, "Do some more reading about the alleged "missing" verses. There are good reasons why some newer translations omit them" you can easily tell me what you know and continue the debate.

The KJV is in FACT what all other Bibles has been measured it says so in the KJV preface and been said by masons as well. If this was the fundamental Bible based on the original manuscripts how can you come and say well it's not infallible "these news ones are better"?

KJV = King James Version
OT = Old Testament
NT = New Testament

 

[The_Bible]

"To make things right WE will have to undo much that is cherished error. The problem of revising the Bible shows how difficult it is to do this. For the last hundred years WE have been trying to get out an edition of the Bible that is reasonably correct; but nobody wants it. What's wanted is the good old King James version, every jot and tittle of it, because most people are convinced that God dictated the Bible to King James in English."

"In the next ten years WE will have to rebuild a world civilization. I hope for some psychologists and even philosophers to be among those appointed to administer this problem."

"WE will sit at a council table and figure how to iron out the troubles on the earth."

"The way of that conditioning would be the one used in Central Europe to condition Nazi Minds. There the circulation of an ideology began in the public schools, began with the small child; which is where WE will have to begin, and educate not only our own people but the peoples of the world."

In 1944, occultist Manly P. Hall said these quotes in his article Asia in the Balance of the Scales. In the coming years the theory of evolution started to get accepted into schools which would accomplish his goals as a freemason to indoctrinate the children in schools with the ideology of evolution much of what Hitler supported.

"Let me control the textbooks, and I will control the state." – Adolf Hitler

He wanted a New World Order & in the first quote he mentioned something about making revisions of the bible in the last hundred years while always mentioning "we" in the next quotes. This would only mean that those "we" had to be people in real occultic & political power. And the main things preventing him from doing that was the minds of the people & the KJV.

Since this was written in 1944, 100 hundred years back would be 1844, the year the manuscript Sinaiticus behind all the new modern bible versions was "discovered". Manly P. Hall wrote strongly in preference of the Sinaiticus in his quote from the same 1944 article.

"The Codex Sinaiticus is a manuscript of the 4th Century of about the same date as the Codex Vaticanus...."

"This manuscript is one of the great books of the world..."

"...it is sufficiently important to justify considerable revision of our popular conception of the Scriptural writings"

These are monthly letters he wrote expressing his thoughts on the KJV.

"Of importance to students of occultism is the fact that the Codex Sinaiticus contains many passages suppressed from the published Gospels. These passages in many cases greatly alter the significance of the text.".

"But what does this mean to the average Bible student? This enthusiastic jot and tittle worshiper will insist that the words of the King James version are the very words of God Himself."

"...the King James version of the Holy Bible. This translation teems with error and is hopelessly unreliable from a scholastic viewpoint, yet popular acceptance has caused this mis-version of holy writ to come to be recognized as infallible so that the religious public would now reject correct translation. In fact it has already shown its attitude in the matter by refusing a revised edition. For over 300 years erroneous theological notions have been circulated, deriving their authority from the King James translation of the Bible."

Do you want to be a part of the New World Order? Then don't trust your King James Bible. By Hall's standards, YOU are "intolerant" and a hindrance to a One World Government. There must be some pretty deep spiritual messages only found in the KJV, to get occultists and NWO people so riled up. I hope this information will encourage you to gain motivation to get a King James, pray to God for understanding, and put your trust in its holy words.

 

[trofimus]

True repentance (not regret) produces a changed life and it comes from God. True repentance is salvation. Being born again is the literal birth or our inner man.

The first birth (physical man) is created by DNA (words).
The second birth (spirit man) is created the same way.... words (spiritual DNA).

The second birth is the birth of our inner man which is Christ formed in us. "Christ in us" does not mean that the literal spirit of Christ comes into a believer and posesses the beliver. Think about it, if the literal spirit of Christ entered into the believer, Christs' spirit would not be born into the believer, neither would that Christ need to be formed in the believer... it would just enter into us fully developed.

The Christ in us is the Christ of our mind... in other words our view of who Christ is. That Chirst is formed completely by A) What others tell us about Christ and B) what we read about Christ in the bible.

Trofimus I truly believe that you are saved but I also see that the Christ in you is different than the Christ in me... our views on Christ are different. This is a very complicated concept to explain and I probably didn't well.

I do not follow you... all that "words" and "DNA" and "different Christ" stuff.

How can you repent, regret your sins and believe the gospel if you are not born again first?

 

[Stephen63]

The KJV transloators did add and change words, the question is did they do it of their own accord or did God inspire them to do so. The way to know who's responsible is to examine the changes, do the changes contradict any other doctrine and do they bring more light or less light than the original languages.

You DO know that the KJV was overseen by the Archbishop of Canterbury, yes? Did you know he put a religious slant in it to help him solidify authoritarian leadership of the church of England & the archbishop's title & position? He even put in the words "bishop", "bishopprick", & "office". There were no such terms in the manuscript they used. He did that all by his little self.

Now we have churches with power-wielding elders, ministers, & deacons thanks to him.

 

[Dan_473]

Anybody who is saved is perfect.

Paul spoke wisdom only to some

1 CORINTHIANS 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech
or of wisdom,
declaring unto you the testimony of God.


Christians mature at different rates, and hear different things
1 CORINTHIANS 2:6 However, we do use wisdom to speak to those who are mature.

 

[The_Bible]

You DO know that the KJV was overseen by the Archbishop of Canterbury, yes? Did you know he put a religious slant in it to help him solidify authoritarian leadership of the church of England & the archbishop's title & position? He even put in the words "bishop", "bishopprick", & "office". There were no such terms in the manuscript they used. He did that all by his little self.

Now we have churches with power-wielding elders, ministers, & deacons thanks to him.

Churches with Bishops, Arch-Bishops, Deacons, Cardinals, Elders, Vicars etc etc. been existed