The King James Only Debate
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I guess... but I know way too many that would testify to the contrary. Including myself. I teach God's Word and the reason I don't use the paraphrase bibles is bc I feel like I have to translate for the bible bc they paraphrase key words, so I agree with you there. But the NASB, NKJV or the ESV? No they teach just fine and are accurate. I know about certain passages like the reference to the Seed and the seeds in the OT contrary to the NT referring to Abraham and Sarah and hagar.
It's the same spirit. You don't need a version to fire you up. You just need thespirit. Sorry you can't blame Him for your lack of fire! No can do.
Jesus be like, "oh if this dude would only study a better version then I would fill him. But since he's reading the NKJV....dang I guess it'll be 15 years until someone introduces the KJV to him. Gee, I wish my word was more powerful. " too bad. I don't think so.!!!!
Your boredom had little to do with the version you used. Statements like that don't work for discipleship or evangelism.
It's the same spirit. You don't need a version to fire you up. You just need thespirit. Sorry you can't blame Him for your lack of fire! No can do.
Jesus be like, "oh if this dude would only study a better version then I would fill him. But since he's reading the NKJV....dang I guess it'll be 15 years until someone introduces the KJV to him. Gee, I wish my word was more powerful. " too bad. I don't think so.!!!!
Your boredom had little to do with the version you used. Statements like that don't work for discipleship or evangelism.
You're chasing a pipe dream... there is no such thing as the originals. You have a mix of pure manuscripts and corrupt manuscripts and you have to decide which is good and which is bad.
I don't care if 50000 manuscripts say Satan is lord and only one says Jesus is lord, Jesus is lord and the other 50000 manuscripts are wrong.
I don't care if 50000 manuscripts say Satan is lord and only one says Jesus is lord, Jesus is lord and the other 50000 manuscripts are wrong.
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"Since when does man put God on a leash?" 
He is God.
He does not need to - and, is not going to - have His Word translated every five years so that people - who do not happen to use the word 'ye' in their everyday social speech - can understand the Word of God. He had it translated once [ into English ] - and, in effect - tells us to "learn the language - and study the scriptures"...
'learn the language' => "learn the [ English ] 'biblical language' [ of the KJV ]"
In other words --- God wants everyone to "grow up with it"...
( Don't give me any petty CRAP about my use of the word 'everyone'. Understand the context. I am referring to people who [ can ] read and speak English. )
He is God.
He does not need to - and, is not going to - have His Word translated every five years so that people - who do not happen to use the word 'ye' in their everyday social speech - can understand the Word of God. He had it translated once [ into English ] - and, in effect - tells us to "learn the language - and study the scriptures"...
'learn the language' => "learn the [ English ] 'biblical language' [ of the KJV ]"
In other words --- God wants everyone to "grow up with it"...
( Don't give me any petty CRAP about my use of the word 'everyone'. Understand the context. I am referring to people who [ can ] read and speak English. )
Can you show me in scripture where it says God wants EVERYONE to grow up with the King James Version?
Seems like your talking for God here. 5 years? Did you not know the KJV was interpreted 400 years ago. How do you get 5 to come close to 400.. You just did what I spoke of earlier about the argument.
lol. Whatever dude, Spoken like a true fanboy who is worshiping one text over another. No basis of fact here..
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It is not outdated! { Actually, the exact opposite is true. }
And, it is not [ that ] difficult to understand! { People CHOOSE to not understand it. ( believe it or not ! ) }
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so when did you start reading the KJV?
The bible uses words and terms which
1. Have differing meanings today
2. Are not even used today
3. Have been replaced by other words today.
yet you say it is outdated.
See what I mean.. The whole argument is flawed. And the whole debate in decisive and does NOTHING at all to promote GOD and his kingdom to today's children. All it does is alienate
When Satan discovered that God was not going to let him "stamp out" the bible, he decided to try to destroy it by creating 'corrupted' / 'perverted' / "watered-down" manuscripts ( i.e. - via Wescott and Hort ) from which humpteen-zillion 'corrupted' / 'perverted' / "watered-down" bibles could be "translated" -- in hopes of "overtaking" the [ KJV ] -- so that people would "throw away" the [ KJV ].
Satan wants everyone to "thow it away"...
And -- he knew / knows what he was / is doing -- because, "it is working"...
Satan wants everyone to "thow it away"...
And -- he knew / knows what he was / is doing -- because, "it is working"...
SATAN is winning, because yeti out band I are arguing nonsense
If your arguing wit us about the KJV not being perfect, or any Bible for that matter, then why would I accept the beliefs of a man who openly states that God preserved his word but in the original manuscripts which are long gone.
GOD'S words will never pass away. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but MY words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)
Psalm (12:6-7) - The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
I dont know about you but that sounds like your calling God a lier when he says he WILL preserve them forever and he WILL NEVER let them pass away. That would mean his words would be kept preserved SINCE the time he had stated this in the bible until now. They never were lost, but copied over and over again to be kept fresh and able to be translated languages which is how we got the king james. These modern versions of the Bible are lazy and uses codexes that are MISSING alot and barely even agree with EACH OTHER.
GOD'S words will never pass away. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but MY words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)
Psalm (12:6-7) - The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
I dont know about you but that sounds like your calling God a lier when he says he WILL preserve them forever and he WILL NEVER let them pass away. That would mean his words would be kept preserved SINCE the time he had stated this in the bible until now. They never were lost, but copied over and over again to be kept fresh and able to be translated languages which is how we got the king james. These modern versions of the Bible are lazy and uses codexes that are MISSING alot and barely even agree with EACH OTHER.
You don't like using paraphrasing Bibles , so you rather have a bible indoctrinate you on the meaning itself, rather than have critical thinking? Somebody HAD to translate the meaning of the paraphrase TO YOU which would make you a hypocrite when you say YOU, YOURSELF do not like explaining the paraphrase. You have the holy spirit so if there would to be some type of incomprehensible information you can pray. Now vice versa, that wouldn't work, bc the verses would be corrupted, so the holy spirit would only guide you into getting a real bible.
Matthew 13:13 - Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Matthew 13:34 - All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matthew (15:15-17) - Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Luke 18:1 - And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
James 1:5 - If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Matthew 13:13 - Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Matthew 13:34 - All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matthew (15:15-17) - Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Luke 18:1 - And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
James 1:5 - If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
so when did you start reading the KJV?
The bible uses words and terms which
1. Have differing meanings today
2. Are not even used today
3. Have been replaced by other words today.
yet you say it is outdated.
See what I mean.. The whole argument is flawed. And the whole debate in decisive and does NOTHING at all to promote GOD and his kingdom to today's children. All it does is alienate
what is working is people like you are making Gods word debater able. And alienating people who have learned from Gods word who never read the KJV.
SATAN is winning, because yeti out band I are arguing nonsense[/QUOTE]
"To make things right WE will have to undo much that is cherished error. The problem of revising the Bible shows how difficult it is to do this. For the last hundred years WE have been trying to get out an edition of the Bible that is reasonably correct; but nobody wants it. What's wanted is the good old King James version, every jot and tittle of it, because most people are convinced that God dictated the Bible to King James in English."
"In the next ten years WE will have to rebuild a world civilization. I hope for some psychologists and even philosophers to be among those appointed to administer this problem."
"WE will sit at a council table and figure how to iron out the troubles on the earth."
"The way of that conditioning would be the one used in Central Europe to condition Nazi Minds. There the circulation of an ideology began in the public schools, began with the small child; which is where WE will have to begin, and educate not only our own people but the peoples of the world."
In 1944, occultist Manly P. Hall said these quotes in his article Asia in the Balance of the Scales. In the coming years the theory of evolution started to get accepted into schools which would accomplish his goals as a freemason to indoctrinate the children in schools with the ideology of evolution much of what Hitler supported.
"Let me control the textbooks, and I will control the state." – Adolf Hitler
He wanted a New World Order & in the first quote he mentioned something about making revisions of the bible in the last hundred years while always mentioning "we" in the next quotes. This would only mean that those "we" had to be people in real occultic & political power. And the main things preventing him from doing that was the minds of the people & the KJV. Which proves that the KJV has been for a long time the authorized version of the people, this is not a new saying.
Since this was written in 1944, 100 hundred years back would be 1844, the year the manuscript Sinaiticus behind all the new modern bible versions was "discovered". Manly P. Hall wrote strongly in preference of the Sinaiticus in his quote from the same 1944 article.
"The Codex Sinaiticus is a manuscript of the 4th Century of about the same date as the Codex Vaticanus...."
"This manuscript is one of the great books of the world..."
"...it is sufficiently important to justify considerable revision of our popular conception of the Scriptural writings"
These are monthly letters he wrote expressing his thoughts on the KJV.
"Of importance to students of occultism is the fact that the Codex Sinaiticus contains many passages suppressed from the published Gospels. These passages in many cases greatly alter the significance of the text.".
"But what does this mean to the average Bible student? This enthusiastic jot and tittle worshiper will insist that the words of the King James version are the very words of God Himself."
"...the King James version of the Holy Bible. This translation teems with error and is hopelessly unreliable from a scholastic viewpoint, yet popular acceptance has caused this mis-version of holy writ to come to be recognized as infallible so that the religious public would now reject correct translation. In fact it has already shown its attitude in the matter by refusing a revised edition. For over 300 years erroneous theological notions have been circulated, deriving their authority from the King James translation of the Bible."
Do you want to be a part of the New World Order? Then don't trust your King James Bible. By Hall's standards, YOU are "intolerant" and a hindrance to a One World Government. There must be some pretty deep spiritual messages only found in the KJV, to get occultists and NWO people so riled up. I hope this information will encourage you to gain motivation to get a King James, pray to God for understanding, and put your trust in its holy words.
The bible uses words and terms which
1. Have differing meanings today
2. Are not even used today
3. Have been replaced by other words today.
yet you say it is outdated.
See what I mean.. The whole argument is flawed. And the whole debate in decisive and does NOTHING at all to promote GOD and his kingdom to today's children. All it does is alienate
what is working is people like you are making Gods word debater able. And alienating people who have learned from Gods word who never read the KJV.
SATAN is winning, because yeti out band I are arguing nonsense[/QUOTE]
"To make things right WE will have to undo much that is cherished error. The problem of revising the Bible shows how difficult it is to do this. For the last hundred years WE have been trying to get out an edition of the Bible that is reasonably correct; but nobody wants it. What's wanted is the good old King James version, every jot and tittle of it, because most people are convinced that God dictated the Bible to King James in English."
"In the next ten years WE will have to rebuild a world civilization. I hope for some psychologists and even philosophers to be among those appointed to administer this problem."
"WE will sit at a council table and figure how to iron out the troubles on the earth."
"The way of that conditioning would be the one used in Central Europe to condition Nazi Minds. There the circulation of an ideology began in the public schools, began with the small child; which is where WE will have to begin, and educate not only our own people but the peoples of the world."
In 1944, occultist Manly P. Hall said these quotes in his article Asia in the Balance of the Scales. In the coming years the theory of evolution started to get accepted into schools which would accomplish his goals as a freemason to indoctrinate the children in schools with the ideology of evolution much of what Hitler supported.
"Let me control the textbooks, and I will control the state." – Adolf Hitler
He wanted a New World Order & in the first quote he mentioned something about making revisions of the bible in the last hundred years while always mentioning "we" in the next quotes. This would only mean that those "we" had to be people in real occultic & political power. And the main things preventing him from doing that was the minds of the people & the KJV. Which proves that the KJV has been for a long time the authorized version of the people, this is not a new saying.
Since this was written in 1944, 100 hundred years back would be 1844, the year the manuscript Sinaiticus behind all the new modern bible versions was "discovered". Manly P. Hall wrote strongly in preference of the Sinaiticus in his quote from the same 1944 article.
"The Codex Sinaiticus is a manuscript of the 4th Century of about the same date as the Codex Vaticanus...."
"This manuscript is one of the great books of the world..."
"...it is sufficiently important to justify considerable revision of our popular conception of the Scriptural writings"
These are monthly letters he wrote expressing his thoughts on the KJV.
"Of importance to students of occultism is the fact that the Codex Sinaiticus contains many passages suppressed from the published Gospels. These passages in many cases greatly alter the significance of the text.".
"But what does this mean to the average Bible student? This enthusiastic jot and tittle worshiper will insist that the words of the King James version are the very words of God Himself."
"...the King James version of the Holy Bible. This translation teems with error and is hopelessly unreliable from a scholastic viewpoint, yet popular acceptance has caused this mis-version of holy writ to come to be recognized as infallible so that the religious public would now reject correct translation. In fact it has already shown its attitude in the matter by refusing a revised edition. For over 300 years erroneous theological notions have been circulated, deriving their authority from the King James translation of the Bible."
Do you want to be a part of the New World Order? Then don't trust your King James Bible. By Hall's standards, YOU are "intolerant" and a hindrance to a One World Government. There must be some pretty deep spiritual messages only found in the KJV, to get occultists and NWO people so riled up. I hope this information will encourage you to gain motivation to get a King James, pray to God for understanding, and put your trust in its holy words.
E
well you would be wrong in so many ways. But I will just name a few
1. KJV English does not have a perfect tense
2. KJV still has only one word "Love" which can be more accurately written in the many Greek words, which are translated by that one word.
These two FACTS alone, prove the KJV is using a less than perfect language, when compared to the Greek text alone. Of course they ar enjoy the only two. There are many more. Nice try though. .
Of course! And, if anyone can study the original Greek / Hebrew, they may obtain a better understanding. However, we are talking about having, reading, and studying an English Bible.
So we can get a "BETTER" more precise understanding. But that is not important. You just admitted the flaw of your own bible..
The opposite is true.
Every copy makes some error. When you copy the copy, you receives the errors of the predecessor copy and make your own errors.
The third generation of copies will have 2 generations of errors and will make the 3rd one.
So to say the older is the more accurate is the most logical way under the sun.
Not true. How can you decide which reading is the right one just from the content:
TR: “Why is He eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners?” Mk 2:16
NA27: “Why is He eating with tax collectors and sinners?” Mk 2:16
Every copy makes some error. When you copy the copy, you receives the errors of the predecessor copy and make your own errors.
The third generation of copies will have 2 generations of errors and will make the 3rd one.
So to say the older is the more accurate is the most logical way under the sun.
Not true. How can you decide which reading is the right one just from the content:
TR: “Why is He eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners?” Mk 2:16
NA27: “Why is He eating with tax collectors and sinners?” Mk 2:16