what has been fulfilled?

[zone]

1.Both are responsible for the blood of the saints etc

Babylon:

Revelation 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered greatly.

Revelation 18:24 - "And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth."

Jerusalem:

Matthew 23:30 - "…and [you Pharisees] say, 'If we had been {living} in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in {shedding} the blood of the prophets.' (31) "So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. (32) "Fill up, then, the measure {of the guilt} of your fathers… (34) "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, (35) so that upon you may fall {the guilt of} all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. (36) "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (37) "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! ... (38) "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!"

(Incidentally, if Babylon were not Jerusalem or Israel, and was to be punished for the blood of the saints and prophets, then Jesus’ words in verse 35 would have proved false.)

1 Thessalonians 2:14 - For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they {did} from the Jews, (15) who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men, (16) hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost.

Babylon = Jerusalem

 

[PlainWord]

This coin is Roman, not Babylonian though

Note first the significance of the Babylonians using the sexagesimal (base-60) number system from which comes 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute, 360 (60×6) degrees in a circle and 60 degrees in each angle of an equilateral triangle etc. 360 divided by 10 = 36 (more on this number in a moment) and 6 * 6 = 36. From this came that mysterious number 666, which is directly linked with the worship practices of ancient Babylon from around the time of Daniel. See also Daniel 3:1. Babylon worshiped gods that were associated with the sun, moon, planets and stars involved with astrology. Babylonians were the principle developers of astrology as we know it today and the pagan priests wore amulets called “Sigilla Solis” or “Sun Seal” which symbolized 36 constellations. In this system of worship, they had 36 supreme gods plus the god associated with the sun, which they believed to be the father of all the other gods and so was supreme over all. They believed that numbers had power over the gods they worshiped so they assigned numbers to their gods so that they could have power over them. They did this by counting their gods and assigning a consecutive number to each of the 36 lesser supreme gods, and then added up these numbers (from 1 to 36) and assigned the sum to the sun god. If you have not guessed by now, the sum of the numbers from 1 to 36 totals 666, which they assigned to the god associated with the sun. The calculation is below. See also Murl Vance quote.
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19 + 20 + 21 + 22 + 23 + 24 + 25 + 26 + 27 + 28 + 29 + 30 + 31 + 32 + 33 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 666
However, they feared their gods as they believed they were primarily evil and thought that one of

them might strike them down sometime, so they made amulets with a 6 x 6 matrix with 1 through 36 on them which are called numeric matrixes magic squares today. The design of the amulets was to protect them from a god striking them down using his magic power so the amulets had to be as powerful as possible. In order to increase its power, they arranged these numbers in such a way that the sum of any given row, column or diagonal was 111, and therefore the sum of all six rows or all six columns was 666. This was supposed to provide extra protection including from the sun god since this god's sum was present on the amulet. The one above has the god of the sun standing on the lion. This indicated the sun's position in the constellation of Leo during the hot days of August. The back is inscribed “Nachyel,” meaning “intelligence of the sun” and the numbers 1 to 36.

The second illustration is also a solar seal, but it honours the star Basilisco, which was the diminutive form of the Greek basileus (king), thus meaning the same as the Latin regulus. Regulus is the only first magnitude star in the constellation of Leo. The sun and the moon are again clearly seen on this amulet and on the reverse side is the same arrangement of numerals with the actual figure 666 given as the total. See Murl Vance quote.
These amulets were usually made of gold being like the colour of the sun or baked clay tablets and were carried in yellow silk or hung around their neck, which they believed provided protection as long as they carried it with them.
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This table as illustrated has the same arrangement of numbers as the above images in a 6 x 6 matrix and is also referred to in numerology as the magic square of the Sun. There are similar magic squares for Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, all of which have been known for centuries.
The creating of amulets with this number arrangement that belongs to astrology appears to have continued well past the time of Christ. Archaeologists have found amulets with Latin inscriptions, so we know that the Romans were indulging in this practice. Therefore, the number 666 came from pagan worship practices of the Babylonians and their practice of astrology. The symbolism of sun worship is still used in many areas of the Catholic Church today, not always obvious but often packaged discreetly as to not be noticed by the untrained eye.
When the Medes and Persians conquered Babylon in 539 B.C, they came with their own religious practices and gods, so had no need of the priests of the Babylonian religious system. Although the Persians were sympathetic towards the Babylonian god Marduk and did accommodate the priests of this god for a while, it appears from history that they eventually fired the priests and used their own. The Babylonian priests left Babylon (probably because they were out of work) and most of them went to Pergamum and some to Egypt where they taught their religious practices to the Egyptians. The Egyptians readily picked up these Babylonian religious concepts and further extended and developed some of the ideas we find in astrology.
The teaching of the Babylonian religious practices by the Babylonian priests and their direct descendants went on in the city of Pergamum for centuries afterwards. They taught astrology and the making of amulets with the numbers 1 to 36 on them in the special arrangements they commonly used. This continued until about the year 133 B.C. when the last king of the Attalid Empire, (Eumenes’ son, Attalus III) who had his capital at Pergamum, died without an heir and bequeathed his kingdom to Rome. Rome accepted the kingdom and set up the province of Asia, which included Ionia and the territory of Pergamum by 129 B.C. Sometime soon after this, the priests who were still teaching the Babylonian religious practices saw their opportunity and went to Rome. The Romans often adopted the religious practices of other cultures, which also helped the empire survive as long as it did. The Babylonian priests rightly calculated that the Romans would be very willing to learn and follow their teachings. Soon all of Rome filled with their religious teachings and practices. It eventually became so pervasive that people called Rome the “New Babylon.” Early Christians also used the term Babylon as a veiled code word for a particular city, so as to avoid persecution from that pagan power. That city was also Rome. See also 1 Peter 5:13.

Rome lost power in the east when the Byzantine empire was conquored by the Ottomans in 1299. Of course, 600 years earler Muhammad originated ISLAM. By the time the Ottoman Empire formed it was an ISLAMIC empire. You see, the 7 headed beast carried the same (or very similar) religion from one beast empire to the next. The sun (which is our star) and moon were worshiped in every beast head empire from Egypt to Assyria to Babylon, to the Medes and Persians, to Greece, to Rome then finally to the Ottoman Empire.

In essence, ISLAM really goes back 4,000 years as they consider Abraham their father through Ishmael.

 

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Note first the significance of the Babylonians using the sexagesimal (base-60) number system from which comes 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute, 360 (60×6) degrees in a circle and 60 degrees in each angle of an equilateral triangle etc. 360 divided by 10 = 36 (more on this number in a moment) and 6 * 6 = 36. From this came that mysterious number 666, which is directly linked with the worship practices of ancient Babylon from around the time of Daniel. See also Daniel 3:1. Babylon worshiped gods that were associated with the sun, moon, planets and stars involved with astrology. Babylonians were the principle developers of astrology as we know it today and the pagan priests wore amulets called “Sigilla Solis” or “Sun Seal” which symbolized 36 constellations. In this system of worship, they had 36 supreme gods plus the god associated with the sun, which they believed to be the father of all the other gods and so was supreme over all. They believed that numbers had power over the gods they worshiped so they assigned numbers to their gods so that they could have power over them. They did this by counting their gods and assigning a consecutive number to each of the 36 lesser supreme gods, and then added up these numbers (from 1 to 36) and assigned the sum to the sun god. If you have not guessed by now, the sum of the numbers from 1 to 36 totals 666, which they assigned to the god associated with the sun. The calculation is below. See also Murl Vance quote.
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19 + 20 + 21 + 22 + 23 + 24 + 25 + 26 + 27 + 28 + 29 + 30 + 31 + 32 + 33 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 666
However, they feared their gods as they believed they were primarily evil and thought that one of

them might strike them down sometime, so they made amulets with a 6 x 6 matrix with 1 through 36 on them which are called numeric matrixes magic squares today. The design of the amulets was to protect them from a god striking them down using his magic power so the amulets had to be as powerful as possible. In order to increase its power, they arranged these numbers in such a way that the sum of any given row, column or diagonal was 111, and therefore the sum of all six rows or all six columns was 666. This was supposed to provide extra protection including from the sun god since this god's sum was present on the amulet. The one above has the god of the sun standing on the lion. This indicated the sun's position in the constellation of Leo during the hot days of August. The back is inscribed “Nachyel,” meaning “intelligence of the sun” and the numbers 1 to 36.

The second illustration is also a solar seal, but it honours the star Basilisco, which was the diminutive form of the Greek basileus (king), thus meaning the same as the Latin regulus. Regulus is the only first magnitude star in the constellation of Leo. The sun and the moon are again clearly seen on this amulet and on the reverse side is the same arrangement of numerals with the actual figure 666 given as the total. See Murl Vance quote.
These amulets were usually made of gold being like the colour of the sun or baked clay tablets and were carried in yellow silk or hung around their neck, which they believed provided protection as long as they carried it with them.
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[TR]
[TD] [TABLE="class: seal center"]
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[TD]32[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
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[TD]8[/TD]
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[TD]14[/TD]
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[TD]15[/TD]
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[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
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[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
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[TD]36[/TD]
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[TD]33[/TD]
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[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
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This table as illustrated has the same arrangement of numbers as the above images in a 6 x 6 matrix and is also referred to in numerology as the magic square of the Sun. There are similar magic squares for Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, all of which have been known for centuries.
The creating of amulets with this number arrangement that belongs to astrology appears to have continued well past the time of Christ. Archaeologists have found amulets with Latin inscriptions, so we know that the Romans were indulging in this practice. Therefore, the number 666 came from pagan worship practices of the Babylonians and their practice of astrology. The symbolism of sun worship is still used in many areas of the Catholic Church today, not always obvious but often packaged discreetly as to not be noticed by the untrained eye.
When the Medes and Persians conquered Babylon in 539 B.C, they came with their own religious practices and gods, so had no need of the priests of the Babylonian religious system. Although the Persians were sympathetic towards the Babylonian god Marduk and did accommodate the priests of this god for a while, it appears from history that they eventually fired the priests and used their own. The Babylonian priests left Babylon (probably because they were out of work) and most of them went to Pergamum and some to Egypt where they taught their religious practices to the Egyptians. The Egyptians readily picked up these Babylonian religious concepts and further extended and developed some of the ideas we find in astrology.
The teaching of the Babylonian religious practices by the Babylonian priests and their direct descendants went on in the city of Pergamum for centuries afterwards. They taught astrology and the making of amulets with the numbers 1 to 36 on them in the special arrangements they commonly used. This continued until about the year 133 B.C. when the last king of the Attalid Empire, (Eumenes’ son, Attalus III) who had his capital at Pergamum, died without an heir and bequeathed his kingdom to Rome. Rome accepted the kingdom and set up the province of Asia, which included Ionia and the territory of Pergamum by 129 B.C. Sometime soon after this, the priests who were still teaching the Babylonian religious practices saw their opportunity and went to Rome. The Romans often adopted the religious practices of other cultures, which also helped the empire survive as long as it did. The Babylonian priests rightly calculated that the Romans would be very willing to learn and follow their teachings. Soon all of Rome filled with their religious teachings and practices. It eventually became so pervasive that people called Rome the “New Babylon.” Early Christians also used the term Babylon as a veiled code word for a particular city, so as to avoid persecution from that pagan power. That city was also Rome. See also 1 Peter 5:13.

Rome lost power in the east when the Byzantine empire was conquored by the Ottomans in 1299. Of course, 600 years earler Muhammad originated ISLAM. By the time the Ottoman Empire formed it was an ISLAMIC empire. You see, the 7 headed beast carried the same (or very similar) religion from one beast empire to the next. The sun (which is our star) and moon were worshiped in every beast head empire from Egypt to Assyria to Babylon, to the Medes and Persians, to Greece, to Rome then finally to the Ottoman Empire.

In essence, ISLAM really goes back 4,000 years as they consider Abraham their father through Ishmael.

Very interesting! That was a good read until the very last sentence...

 

[PlainWord]

1.Both are responsible for the blood of the saints etc

Babylon:

Revelation 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered greatly.

Revelation 18:24 - "And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth."

Jerusalem:

Matthew 23:30 - "…and [you Pharisees] say, 'If we had been {living} in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in {shedding} the blood of the prophets.' (31) "So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. (32) "Fill up, then, the measure {of the guilt} of your fathers… (34) "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, (35) so that upon you may fall {the guilt of} all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. (36) "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (37) "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! ... (38) "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!"

(Incidentally, if Babylon were not Jerusalem or Israel, and was to be punished for the blood of the saints and prophets, then Jesus’ words in verse 35 would have proved false.)

1 Thessalonians 2:14 - For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they {did} from the Jews, (15) who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men, (16) hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost.

Babylon = Jerusalem

Where were the apostles killed? Only three died in Israel.

James, James and Matthias died in Israel

John and Andrew died in or near Turkey - TODAY ISLAMIC

Jude died in Iraq/Iran - TODAY ISLAMIC

Bartholomew died in Pakistan - TODAY ISLAMIC

Matthew died in Somolia - TODAY ISLAMIC

Thomas died in Northern India - TODAY ISLAMIC

Phillip died in Egypt - TODAY ISLAMIC

Peter and Paul died in Rome

Simon died in the UK

BABYLON = BABYLON

 

[PlainWord]

Very interesting! That was a good read until the very last sentence...

What's wrong with the last sentence? Ask any Muslim, they will lay claim to Abraham.

 

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What's wrong with the last sentence? Ask any Muslim, they will lay claim to Abraham.

Doesn't mean Islam dates back 4,000 years

Muslims idealize an adulterous war mongering pedophile known as Mohammed,
who lived during the seventh century and is responsible for the Koran, which he
claims to have received from the angel Gabriel after his wife and another relative
convinced him that is who the jinn (spirit) was. Islam is Satanic.

 

[ZEEK]

Who killed them - if it was by order of the synagogue, then it can be said to be of Jerusalem.

Where were the apostles killed? Only three died in Israel.

James, James and Matthias died in Israel

John and Andrew died in or near Turkey - TODAY ISLAMIC

Jude died in Iraq/Iran - TODAY ISLAMIC

Bartholomew died in Pakistan - TODAY ISLAMIC

Matthew died in Somolia - TODAY ISLAMIC

Thomas died in Northern India - TODAY ISLAMIC

Phillip died in Egypt - TODAY ISLAMIC

Peter and Paul died in Rome

Simon died in the UK

BABYLON = BABYLON

 

[PlainWord]

Doesn't mean Islam dates back 4,000 years

Muslims idealize an adulterous war mongering pedophile known as Mohammed,
who lived during the seventh century and is responsible for the Koran, which he
claims to have received from the angel Gabriel after his wife and another relative
convinced him that is who the jinn (spirit) was. Islam is Satanic.

All of this is true. However, they trace their ancestral roots back to Abraham and Ishmael. I'm not saying the religion goes back that far, I am saying their heritage goes back that far, not all of them clearly, but many of them.

Genesis 17:20

And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

These 12 princes settled much of Arabia, up through Egypt and into Syria. One of Ishmael's sons, Kedar, father of the Qedarites, a northern Arab tribe that controlled the area between the Persian Gulf and the Sinai Peninsula. According to tradition, Kedar is the ancestor of the Quraysh tribe, and thus Muhammad.

 

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Note first the significance of the Babylonians using the sexagesimal (base-60) number system from which comes 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute, 360 (60×6) degrees in a circle and 60 degrees in each angle of an equilateral triangle etc. .....

THE GEMATRIA OF THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST-666

Revelation 13:18 "There is need for shrewdness here: anyone clever may interpret the number of the beast: it is the number of a human being, the number 666."

For a Jew this number was a fearful image. The Old Testament image that would immediately connect with Jews or Messianic Jews would be the fall of King Solomon, Israel's greatest ruler, as he led his people into apostasy. We'll discuss those passages at the end of this section.

As you will remember we discussed the concept of "Rome is Caesar and Caesar is Rome"; that a ruler and his empire is one and the same. John clearly shows us this connection in the riddle of the number of the Beast. In the ancient world there was no separate set of symbols representing number value. Letters of the alphabet carried numerical value. The 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet all had number value just as the 24 letters of the Greek alphabet each had a number equivalent. But as for the Romans, only six letters carried number value: 1for the letter I, 5 for the letter V, 10 for the letter X, 50 for the letter L, 100 for the letter C, and 500 for the letter D. Contrary to popular belief there was no single letter value for 1000. That number was represented by back to back Ds and so resembled the letter M.

John warns us that to solve this puzzle takes shrewdness and cleverness! The Roman Emperor we know as Nero Caesar had two common spelling for his name in the first century. One form was Nero Kesar but the Hebrew spelling is Neron Kesar. This is important because some ancient MSS (handwritten manuscripts) instead of using the number 666 have the number 616. If you add up the letter values in Hebrew (that's why it takes shrewdness-most people did not know Hebrew) Neron Caesar (Neron Kaisar) adds up to 666. Neron Kaisar = Nrwn Q(K)sr in Hebrew which used no vowels, was the linguistically correct Hebrew form and is found in the Jewish Talmud, in the writings of the community at Qumran where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, and other rabbinical writings. No Jew would ever have thought of Nero except as rsq nwrn (Hebrew read left to right). But Nero Caesar (rsq nwr), the other spelling (alternate spellings were very common), adds up to 616, which is exactly the variant reading in a few New Testament Revelation manuscripts for the number of the Beast.

Gemetria and the Number of the Beast 666

 

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Where is Babylon and what is the religion of those who live there? It is called "Mystery Babylon" for a reason. It is not called, "Mystery Jerusalem" or "Mystery Rome."

Islam's manner of worship is the same as those of the original Babylon.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up...

What other religion uses music as the call for its followers to face the same place, bow down and worship? They all face Mecca, where their image (the holy Kaaba), is set up.

Mystery babylon comprise all the 4 beasts of Daniel 7. Daniel 7 defines many words used in prophecy, like beast. There is only ONE interpretation of prophecy, and the keys to their interpretation is in defining the words used like woman, beast, waters, etc. Here is an example of what I mean. In Daniel:7:17: "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth." This definition of "beast" can and should be used consistently throughout all prophecy. A "beast" is a king or kingdom.

 

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Who killed them - if it was by order of the synagogue, then it can be said to be of Jerusalem.

You remain focused on circa AD 70 events. Fast forward to today.

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Which religion beheads? This has been going on since the 7th century and continues to this day. Jews do not behead and they have little interest in proselytizing.

 

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Mystery babylon comprise all the 4 beasts of Daniel 7. Daniel 7 defines many words used in prophecy, like beast. There is only ONE interpretation of prophecy, and the keys to their interpretation is in defining the words used like woman, beast, waters, etc. Here is an example of what I mean. In Daniel:7:17: "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth." This definition of "beast" can and should be used consistently throughout all prophecy. A "beast" is a king or kingdom.

4 beast kings - Babylon; Persia; Greece; Rome.
the end

 

[PlainWord]

Mystery babylon comprise all the 4 beasts of Daniel 7. Daniel 7 defines many words used in prophecy, like beast. There is only ONE interpretation of prophecy, and the keys to their interpretation is in defining the words used like woman, beast, waters, etc. Here is an example of what I mean. In Daniel:7:17: "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth." This definition of "beast" can and should be used consistently throughout all prophecy. A "beast" is a king or kingdom.

There is the beast and there is the harlot which the beast carries. The Harlot is the false religion supported by the Beast. I agree that John takes his symbolism from Dan 7. But if you will note, he only uses 3 of the 4 beasts in Rev 13, they being the lion, leopard and bear. Rome was not one of these.

 

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4 beast kings - Babylon; Persia; Greece; Rome.
the end

John doesn't mention Rome.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.

compare to Dan 7:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]The first was like a lion...
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear...
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard...

Thus John is saying that the Beast of the Sea, that he saw was from the region of the Lion (Babylon), the Bear (Persia) and the Leopard (Greece). John is seeing a beast with these attributes or from this area.

I don't know what the news is like in the Bahamas my dear sister but there has been a little bit of activity in the above region lately involving some pretty nasty people doing a lot of harm to Christians and their own people.

 

[PlainWord]

THE GEMATRIA OF THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST-666

Revelation 13:18 "There is need for shrewdness here: anyone clever may interpret the number of the beast: it is the number of a human being, the number 666."

For a Jew this number was a fearful image. The Old Testament image that would immediately connect with Jews or Messianic Jews would be the fall of King Solomon, Israel's greatest ruler, as he led his people into apostasy. We'll discuss those passages at the end of this section.

As you will remember we discussed the concept of "Rome is Caesar and Caesar is Rome"; that a ruler and his empire is one and the same. John clearly shows us this connection in the riddle of the number of the Beast. In the ancient world there was no separate set of symbols representing number value. Letters of the alphabet carried numerical value. The 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet all had number value just as the 24 letters of the Greek alphabet each had a number equivalent. But as for the Romans, only six letters carried number value: 1for the letter I, 5 for the letter V, 10 for the letter X, 50 for the letter L, 100 for the letter C, and 500 for the letter D. Contrary to popular belief there was no single letter value for 1000. That number was represented by back to back Ds and so resembled the letter M.

John warns us that to solve this puzzle takes shrewdness and cleverness! The Roman Emperor we know as Nero Caesar had two common spelling for his name in the first century. One form was Nero Kesar but the Hebrew spelling is Neron Kesar. This is important because some ancient MSS (handwritten manuscripts) instead of using the number 666 have the number 616. If you add up the letter values in Hebrew (that's why it takes shrewdness-most people did not know Hebrew) Neron Caesar (Neron Kaisar) adds up to 666. Neron Kaisar = Nrwn Q(K)sr in Hebrew which used no vowels, was the linguistically correct Hebrew form and is found in the Jewish Talmud, in the writings of the community at Qumran where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, and other rabbinical writings. No Jew would ever have thought of Nero except as rsq nwrn (Hebrew read left to right). But Nero Caesar (rsq nwr), the other spelling (alternate spellings were very common), adds up to 616, which is exactly the variant reading in a few New Testament Revelation manuscripts for the number of the Beast.

Gemetria and the Number of the Beast 666

Then there is this:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Here are links to an archived Islamic site with an animated home page that might be enough to make a Bible believer's hair stand on end, with the following excerpt taken from this page, with the site's contents at this link.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The truth is that This Quran is the 666 , The Book from The Lord of the Universe.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]GOD made His Messenger a witness with the letter Qaf and the number 666."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The following links are to more Islamic sites that connect the Quran (Koran Kuran), and Islam's "Messenger", to the number 666. Scroll down (or Ctrl+f) on this link for the following quote:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"This book is the Quran; and the Quran is '666.'"[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]From another page:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"They say, '666 is the sign of the Anti Christ, the sign of the Anti Church.' Obviously the Church has recognized the importance of the 666, they believe that the number represents a force that shall rise against them."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Since the false prophet Muhammad denied the whole subject of the Gospel.....[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif].....and his followers are commanded to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all people to denying the Son of God and rejecting the blood He shed for us all, is it really a stretch to consider that Muhammad could be THE false prophet of the book of Revelation, and his Islamic kingdom "beast" the final foe of God's people?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Links to sections on this page include The 666 Beast, The Tragedy of the Mark and Saved By the Grace of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Here's a link to a 9 minute video regarding that site.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Here's a video of a Muslim that has 666 written on the page edges of his Quran.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Or Search - sura 1 to sura 36 is 666 - Example:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The sum of sura numbers from Sura 1 to Sura 36 is 666 (Table 7)."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Not such a surprise for a Christian to find an association when we learn that the single most egregious and only unforgivable sin in Muhammadanism, is committed if a Muslim were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even pray in Jesus' name. As comparedtochild rape or cold-blooded mass murder,for example,which may be forgiven. (more on Islam's sin of "shirk")[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Allah" = 666 (link to this spot)[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]On the Zola Levitt program, Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist now Christian evangelist, said that when he saw the Greek symbol that is translated in the Bible as 666, he immediately read it as the Arabic character “Bismillah” (some spell Bismilla) which means "in the name of Allah." (Though it looks more like the character for "Allah").[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Here's a seven minute video of Walid Shoebat on 666 at a different venue:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Below (left) are photos of Greek symbols translated in the Bible as 666, from Free Jesus.net: The gold symbol (bottom and right) is Arabic for "Allah" when turned and mirrored. Additionally, crossed swords are a symbol for Islam. So in 666 we may find symbols for both "Islam" and "Allah".[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]If Shoebat's account seems a stretch, even though Arabic was his first language and Islam the religion he was indoctrinated into, consider how this Arabic character is stylized into many different artistic forms. Consider also how some look for this character in trees, clouds and virtually everywhere, as this search link attests - even in a fish![/FONT]

 

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You remain focused on circa AD 70 events. Fast forward to today.

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Which religion beheads? This has been going on since the 7th century and continues to this day. Jews do not behead and they have little interest in proselytizing.

beheading was a common execution by the romans.

begin with paul - was beheaded.

"Over 20,000 Christians are thought to have died during Diocletian's reign. One of the most prominent martyrs during the Diocletian persecution was Saint George, a Roman soldier who loudly renounced the Emperor's edict, and in front of his fellow soldiers and tribunes claimed to be a Christian by declaring his worship of Jesus Christ. Diocletian attempted to convert George, even offering gifts of land, money and slaves if he made a sacrifice to the Roman gods; he made many offers, but George never accepted any of them and was subsequently tortured and decapitated.[26]"

 

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OF THE TEN BLOODY PERSECUTIONS WHICH THE CHRISTIANS SUFFERED UNDER THE HEA THEN EMPERORS OF ROME; THE FIRST OF WHICH BEGAN IN THE REIGN OF NERO, A. D. 66

Of The Ten Bloody Persecutions Which The Christians Suffered Under The Hea Then Emperors Of Rome; The First Of Which Began In The Reign Of Nero, A. D. 66

 

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okay.
this thread is devolving into an Islam thing, which has nothing to do with whats written, so at that i'll take my leave.
thanks all!

 

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Rome beheaded

You remain focused on circa AD 70 events. Fast forward to today.

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Which religion beheads? This has been going on since the 7th century and continues to this day. Jews do not behead and they have little interest in proselytizing.

 

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My last post was an excerpt from the below link which makes a compelling case for ISLAM. Any person who truly wants to know the truth should follow this link and read the whole thing. If you still think it's Rome or Jerusalem, then I give up.

ISLAM, QURAN AND 666