The King James Only Debate

[Yonah]

Mat 26:17
Now the first day of the feast of
unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?


Lev 23:5
In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
Lev 23:6
And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

question: how could the Disciples ask our Savior on the 1st day of unleavened bread where would they have the Passover when in the text in Lev. 23 it clearly states the Passover is BEFORE unleavened bread? seems like an error to me, what say you?

 

[KJV1611]

The evidence I am refering to is the evidence of myself that God has never told me to specifically use a King James Bible. Same can be said for every Christian I know as far as I am aware. If God really wanted us to all read just the King James, then why has God not told me to do so?

I don't know the answer to that. I know in my case I had a KJV from the beginning but I never used it, I preferred the NIV because it was easier to read. Maybe God was leading me to the KJV then and I ignored it. But honestly I never read the bible much in those days anyway because I was lazy, I would rather listen to a preacher than dig things out for myself.... God didn't lead me to that, I was just lazy.

 

[hornetguy]

I have a hard time believing God would give an inspired translation and then lead someone to read an uninspired version.

There is no such thing as an "inspired" translation. The original writers were inspired.... translations are just translations.

 

[Zmouth]

Meaning anybody alive before the written word was written.

So when was the spoken word first written?

 

[Zmouth]

There is no such thing as an "inspired" translation. The original writers were inspired.... translations are just translations.

What is the NT but an inspired translation of the OT. There is not one thing written in the NT which was already done in the OT.

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Eccl 1:9

And that passage was written by the Son of David...

 

[Tintin]

What is the NT but an inspired translation of the OT. There is not one thing written in the NT which was already done in the OT.

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Eccl 1:9

And that passage was written by the Son of David...

*facepalm*

 

[KJV1611]

Mat 26:17
Now the first day of the feastof
unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?


Lev 23:5
In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
Lev 23:6
And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

question: how could the Disciples ask our Savior on the 1st day of unleavened bread where would they have the Passover when in the text in Lev. 23 it clearly states the Passover is BEFORE unleavened bread? seems like an error to me, what say you?

No it doesn't seem like an error, Passover and Unleavened bread are used interchangeably.

Luke 22:1 KJV
Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

 

[KJV1611]

There is no such thing as an "inspired" translation. The original writers were inspired.... translations are just translations.

I have no idea why you think a translation can't be inspired. That makes it seems as though God can't do it, which is most certainly not true.

 

[KJV1611]

What is the NT but an inspired translation of the OT. There is not one thing written in the NT which was already done in the OT.

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Eccl 1:9

And that passage was written by the Son of David...

That's right! The New Testament is just a rewrite of the Old Testament with more detail.

Edit to add: The KJV is just a rewrite to the OT and NT with even greater clarity.

 

[KJV1611]

So when was the spoken word first written?

I don't know.

 

[John146]

The evidence I am refering to is the evidence of myself that God has never told me to specifically use a King James Bible. Same can be said for every Christian I know as far as I am aware. If God really wanted us to all read just the King James, then why has God not told me to do so?

However, God did instruct us to study to shew thyself approved unto God a workman who needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. Funny how you get the command to study only in the KJV...

 

[Agricola]

Originally Posted by Agricola

The evidence I am refering to is the evidence of myself that God has never told me to specifically use a King James Bible. Same can be said for every Christian I know as far as I am aware. If God really wanted us to all read just the King James, then why has God not told me to do so?

However, God did instruct us to study to shew thyself approved unto God a workman who needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. Funny how you get the command to study only in the KJV...

This has still not answered my question as usual.

 

[trofimus]

However, God did instruct us to study to shew thyself approved unto God a workman who needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. Funny how you get the command to study only in the KJV...

1. It is not true, that the word "study" is only in the KJV.

"Carefully study..." Douay-Rheims Bible
"Study..." Webster's Bible Translation
"Study..." Jubilee Bible 2000


2. "Study" is not the right translation. The meaning is much broader, not just about studying.
The better translation is:

"Make every effort..." Berean Study Bible
"Do your best..." ESV, NIV, ISV
"Be diligent..." NASB
"Hasten..." Berean Literal Bible

Strong's Greek: 4710. σπουδή (spoudé) -- haste, diligence

 

[Zmouth]

Well God has never told me that I should only stick with the King James.
This has still not answered my question as usual.

Considering Matthew 4:4, what translation did the LORD tell you to read, if any?

 

[Agricola]

1. It is not true, that the word "study" is only in the KJV.

"Carefully study..." Douay-Rheims Bible
"Study..." Webster's Bible Translation
"Study..." Jubilee Bible 2000


2. "Study" is not the right translation. The meaning is much broader, not just about studying.
The better translation is:

"Make every effort..." Berean Study Bible
"Do your best..." ESV, NIV, ISV
"Be diligent..." NASB
"Hasten..." Berean Literal Bible

Strong's Greek: 4710. σπουδή (spoudé) -- haste, diligence

You beat me to it. but the Study used in KJV is the verb

Strong's Number: 4704 spoudavzw

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Definition[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]

1. to hasten, make haste
2. to exert one's self, endeavour, give diligence

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[Agricola]

Considering Matthew 4:4, what translation did the LORD tell you to read, if any?

I have not been told to read any particular version.

 

[KJV1611]

1. It is not true, that the word "study" is only in the KJV.

"Carefully study..." Douay-Rheims Bible
"Study..." Webster's Bible Translation
"Study..." Jubilee Bible 2000


2. "Study" is not the right translation. The meaning is much broader, not just about studying.
The better translation is:

"Make every effort..." Berean Study Bible
"Do your best..." ESV, NIV, ISV
"Be diligent..." NASB
"Hasten..." Berean Literal Bible

Strong's Greek: 4710. σπουδή (spoudé) -- haste, diligence

NIV seems to be pointing to works salvation to me. What are we supposed to DO to present ourselves approved?

KJV and NIV have 2 completely different meanings.

2 Timothy 2:15New International Version (NIV)

15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

 

[trofimus]

You beat me to it. but the Study used in KJV is the verb

Strong's Number: 4704 spoudavzw

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Definition[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]

1. to hasten, make haste
2. to exert one's self, endeavour, give diligence

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You are right.

The correct link is:
Strong's Greek: 4704. σπουδάζω (spoudazó) -- to make haste, hence to give diligence

 

[KJV1611]

I have not been told to read any particular version.

Just ask God to show which bible is right for you.

 

[Agricola]

Posted by Agricola : I have not been told to read any particular version

.Just ask God to show which bible is right for you.

What part of my statement did you not understand?