The King James Only Debate

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Richie_2uk

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Just read it. Don't put it up for debate or discussion is it right is it wrong. Do you believe in it. Or don't. Its better than this or that. Just read it you believe its the word of God. And read it for your own personal walk with Jesus. He never written it for it to be discussed in the way people do.
 

Zmouth

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Apparently he wanted you to read this.

1 Sam 9:15
15 Now the LORD had told Samuel in his ear a day before Saul came, saying,
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Apparently he wanted you to read this.

1 Sam 9:15
15 Now the LORD had told Samuel in his ear a day before Saul came, saying,
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I understand that to mean the word of the Lord spoke audible words to Samuel.
 
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Speaking for myself and not the others, yes I do have a love for the scriptures. I also have much more knowledge about the bible than those who don't believe every word in the bible is true. It takes faith in every word being right to understand the deeper things of the bible.
I understand what you are saying and I agree to a certain level. I would myself rephrase it to say that " I believe the Holy Spirit will reveal the things of God to me as I have faith in Him revealing Christ to me - just as Jesus said He would."

I have no faith in "my ability" to know what the scriptures are saying just because I read them and believe every word.

For example. I have faith in every word of God and it says in Exodus 32:33 that "Whoever sins against the Lord will have his name blotted out of His book".

I can have faith in this and deduce that anyone who has sinned is a goner because I believe every word of God. I could come up with some weird doctrines with this understanding of this verse because it is a "true saying". There is the revelation of Christ Himself and what He has done in His work that supersedes Ex. 32:33 truth.

If I didn't know that I would be off in my understanding of God's word even though I had faith in every word. It is a subtle difference but very important in my opinion.
 
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I understand what you are saying and I agree to a certain level. I would myself rephrase it to say that " I believe the Holy Spirit will reveal the things of God to me as I have faith in Him revealing Christ to me - just as Jesus said He would."

I have no faith in "my ability" to know what the scriptures are saying just because I read them and believe every word.

For example. I have faith in every word of God and it says in Exodus 32:33 that "Whoever sins against the Lord will have his name blotted out of His book".

I can have faith in this and deduce that anyone who has sinned is a goner because I believe every word of God. There is the revelation of Christ Himself and what He has done in His work that supersedes Ex. 32:33 truth.

If I didn't know that I would be off in my understanding of God's word even though I had faith in every word. It is a subtle difference but very important in my opinion.
I agree Grace, I have no faith in my ability either.... Isaac Asimov read the entire bible and wrote it off as a fairy tale. But if you look at it from a purely secular view, if a person reads the bible and rejects "My soul shall make her boast in the Lord" as an error, then the abilily to understand the marriage relationship between Jesus and his bride (me) is totally taken away.

If we believe that our soul is a "her" then Romans 7 takes on a completely different meaning.
 

Zmouth

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It is a unique experience, but it wasn't what I heard but what I didn't that proved to be the important thing. After hearing the voice the though came, why would an entity that has the ability to speak out of thin air need you [me] to do anything for him....

And it was like Really! (Why would the LORD be dependent upon a mortal to do for Him) And while it sounded like He was chuckling as I heard, "Don't listen to voices!" While the experience never really made much sense to me except until just a few years back when I had read the writings regarding there being two distinct classes of thought, one being the thought that we ourselves form from reason and reflection and the other being the thought that bolts into our minds.

While it still didn't make sense at that point, shortly afterwards I begin having problems regarding my property lines for my home. Having put a storage building and fence in the backyard, the neighbor to the side and the neighbor who waited until after extensive work have been put in before raising any concerns/objections. Being as reasonably sure of my position in the matter I suggested that if they had a grievance the only thing I could say would be to talk to the City. Which the did and when the City official came out he cited the one neighbor next to my property who was building an addition on his house without a permit. Of course that raised the tensions, not to mention my concerns having found a serious flaw in the deed to the property.

In a 100 year old subdivision one would think the issues of boundaries and property lines would have been resolved, yet when I purchased the property I still purchased Title Insurance and I filed a claimed so that they would bear the burden of the expense of resulting the any issues such as additional surveys or whatever the situation could lead to with the neighbors etc.

The long and short was the Title Insurer stalled for months, then reassigning my matter to another Claims attorney that again lead to delays and the point where he wouldn't return my calls. So one morning I was basically out of options other than litigating the matter since I couldn't get the Title Insurer to either resolved the matter or deny the claim which I would need to speak the Claims Attorney which of course wasn't returning my calls.

So I considering going around the claims attorney's direct line by calling the number of the legal assistant at the Insurer who had notified me months earlier that the claim had been reassigned. Then I thought to myself, I am going to call and I will be ask whose calling and then tell me let me see if he is in his office, put me on hold for 10-15 minutes while everyone in the office laughed and put their bets down on how long the idiot would hold before getting the message that they were going to do anything and hanging up, and when I wouldn't hang up she would pick up and tell me, 'I am sorry, he is not in his office, can I take a message."

So I asked the LORD his opinion if that sounded about right and out of the blue the thought came to Google her name. Now why in the heck would anyone google a legal assistants name and I remembered the message about the thought that bolts into one's mind out of nowhere like a bolt of lightening. While not so dramatic, I was sure that I didn't think it, wouldn't have thunk it, but since it didn't hurt anyone I Googled it.

So I call the number from the email, and the story plays out per bateim, even when picks up after putting me on hold asking if I wanted to leave a message, so I reply in the negative and ask if I could ask her one question, so he nicely responds yes and I ask if she was the 2007 Miss Nebraska USA. It caught her by surprise and she asked how I knew that. I guess I have a friend in Jesus I replied. And low and behold, the Claims Attorney had just stepped back in his office and my call when thru. After discussing the matter with the Claims Attorney, the Insurer settled my claim for the full face value of the policy.

I think the audible voice I had heard on a few occasions is because man is going to be able to transmit actual electromagnetic pulses directly to the neurons that carry the sound wave from the ear to the conscious mind which results in our hearing audible sounds. And the LORD doesn't want to use it to deceive others. Of course I don't know how you hear my words out of the fire in front of you :rolleyes:
 
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I love the KJV..........for me.

Who in his right mind is going to forbid one good translation of the Word over another.

Quoting a wise man or woman posting in the Bible chat. Whan someone was asked whic is the best Bible to have, the reply was, "The one you are reading."

This so-called KJV debate is completely unworthy of stressing.
 
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I love the KJV..........for me.

Who in his right mind is going to forbid one good translation of the Word over another.

Quoting a wise man or woman posting in the Bible chat. Whan someone was asked whic is the best Bible to have, the reply was, "The one you are reading."

This so-called KJV debate is completely unworthy of stressing.
If it was a matter of good translation then I would agree with you but it's not a matter of a good translation. It's a matter of choosing the God inspired version or the man trying to understand what God meant in the original language version.

Men aren't capable of translating the word of God, they would have to have the mind of God in order to do so which they don't have. The only possible scenario for having the inerrant word of God today is for God to inspire the translators. Also in the KJV God updated what was written in the originals to bring more clarity to some of the harder to understand concepts.
 

JaumeJ

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It is a matter of the Holy Spirit. I love the KJV, but I have also continually read in many other versions in English, and in several versions in several other languges.

When the Holy Spirit entered into me, I was given the right amount of understanding for salvation because of Jesus Christ. What I have studied and learned in the half centurey ensuing only makes me a student of the written Word. That by itself would be death, but the Holy Spirit fills in all gaps needed for my walk with Jesus Christ.

I believe it is the same for all who truly believe.

God bless you always.
 

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I have a hard time believing God would give an inspired translation and then lead someone to read an uninspired version.
Well God has never told me that I should only stick with the King James.

Maybe you should consider that your position on the King James is wrong as the evidence clearly shows it.
 
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Well God has never told me that I should only stick with the King James.

Maybe you should consider that your position on the King James is wrong as the evidence clearly shows it.
I've looked at several "errors" in the KJV in this thread and none of them have panned out as errors. If evidence clearly showed an issue with KJV then I would reconsider my position.
 

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I've looked at several "errors" in the KJV in this thread and none of them have panned out as errors. If evidence clearly showed an issue with KJV then I would reconsider my position.
The evidence I am refering to is the evidence of myself that God has never told me to specifically use a King James Bible. Same can be said for every Christian I know as far as I am aware. If God really wanted us to all read just the King James, then why has God not told me to do so?
 

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I don't put my trust in any bible but rather the author of it... and He is not limited by any translations or errors, His spirit is capable and willing to lead all into all truth, IMO it is limiting the power of the almighty in ones own mind to think that one version alone is infallible, anything man touches is effected by the curse brought upon all through the disobedience of one, and in like manner salvation and restoration comes through ONE who through trusting obedience effected salvation and restoration for all who will choose life.
My primary start for any study is the KJV but by far not the only... and it just seems strange to infer that the Father is limited in revealing His truth in only one way... the text in scripture shows us He does and has done this in many ways and He doesn't need mans translations and texts to do so. to presume to say one version of the text that is thousands of years old and is equally effective in pointing many to truth is very strange indeed. question: if the KJV is as you say then it stands to reason that anyone reading any other text (even the original) is not receiving the truth.... that just insane IMO.