Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!

[stonesoffire]

I think the problem is condemnation others put on someone who is sick. Not faith in the Word. Sometimes we just have to let God do the persuading rather than us trying to give faith by our preaching at them. Praying for someone and empathy for their condition is more helpful.

I have a spinal cord disease, a rare thing that not much is yet known. I've had others spout the just believe thing at me and I know how it feels.

But, I also have experienced the power of Holy Spirit in my body by His touch. Five years ago, I was bedfast, weak, my heart failing. Today I have strength, yet still suffer with pain, but a strong heart. I'm in recovery. That's healing too. Some just want to see instantaneous health, but this is up to God how he heals and not us. And some die and receive wholeness in heaven.

The scriptures I walk by...as my days are, so shall my strength be is just one of them. Claiming health? If that same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead dwells in me, then He shall quicken my mortal body. I personalize it. Jesus said His Word is Spirit and life. The written Word is like a knife, but the Word that comes directly from Him whether from His Voice within or from a prophet is like the saber sword.

Looking at the greek definitions I saw this many moons ago.

If what I've said offends anyone here, just ask me to leave for I cannot deny what I know to be true.

 

[wanderer6059]

Exactly! This is what is not getting through.

i know what you are saying, but Rhema has been WoF the whole time, and what they taught was not what people see as WoF, people see PG and think we are the same, but we are not.

You need to go back and look at the origins and results of the WoF. Do that first.

i have, it was pretty messy in the begging, but what we Rhema was teaching was true, there were things said that didn't line up by some but again no one is perfect.

 

[nowyouseem033]

if you don't believe jesus saves, you are not forgiven. if you don't believe in healing today, you won't be healed(atleast on the supernatural side, modern medicine will still do its part.) and Malcus was healed in the corporate faith, not by his personal faith, same with the man at the Pool of Bethesda.

Again most Christians believe in healing. The difference is 1) You do not have a RIGHT to it at all something WoF people claim you do (in fact they proclaim over themselves healing, rather inquiring God and praying to God), 2) Again you say with certainty God wont heal. Who are you to say what God will and will not do? Saying God cant do this unless this happens. lol something WoF trump that its impossible to claim your healing without faith. 3) There are many good hearted godly christians who have sicknesses and they in fact do believe in healing. Its when the day comes where they will be raised to life in glory possessing new body with no pain and no hurt. Even people who are suffering in this life thank God for whats to come in the next world not the now world.

 

[CharlieGrown]

If what I've said offends anyone here, just ask me to leave for I cannot deny what I know to be true.

If your testimony offends anyone, that's their problem. Thanks for sharing. Praying for you.

 

[nowyouseem033]

if you read what he has wrote his books you see he is far from PG, not saying he didn't have wild theories lol

I have listened to many a sermon and talk and he is a flat out heretic. Though i have never read his books, im confident to say that he is not a sound biblical scholar teacher or pastor.

 

[wanderer6059]

I think the problem is condemnation others put on someone who is sick. Not faith in the Word. Sometimes we just have to let God do the persuading rather than us trying to give faith by our preaching at them. Praying for someone and empathy for their condition is more helpful.

I have a spinal cord disease, a rare thing that not much is yet known. I've had others spout the just believe thing at me and I know how it feels.

But, I also have experienced the power of Holy Spirit in my body by His touch. Five years ago, I was bedfast, weak, my heart failing. Today I have strength, yet still suffer with pain, but a strong heart. I'm in recovery. That's healing too. Some just want to see instantaneous health, but this is up to God how he heals and not us. And some die and receive wholeness in heaven.

The scriptures I walk by...as my days are, so shall my strength be is just one of them. Claiming health? If that same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead dwells in me, then He shall quicken my mortal body. I personalize it. Jesus said His Word is Spirit and life. The written Word is like a knife, but the Word that comes directly from Him whether from His Voice within or from a prophet is like the saber sword.

Looking at the greek definitions I saw this many moons ago.

If what I've said offends anyone here, just ask me to leave for I cannot deny what I know to be true.

i would never beat you down with faith sister, and thats not how we are taught. i would come to you and ask how can i pray with you, how can i strengthen you, encourage you, how can i give you hope. that is what we are taught.

 

[stonesoffire]

lol Rhema was founded by kennith hagan? doesnt that say it all?

Just wondering who you would prefer listening to.

I am not a follower of Hagin by the way.

 

[stonesoffire]

i would never beat you down with faith sister, and thats not how we are taught. i would come to you and ask how can i pray with you, how can i strengthen you, encourage you, how can i give you hope. that is what we are taught.

You have a good heart.

 

[CharlieGrown]

Again most Christians believe in healing. The difference is 1) You do not have a RIGHT to it at all something WoF people claim you do (in fact they proclaim over themselves healing, rather inquiring God and praying to God), 2) Again you say with certainty God wont heal. Who are you to say what God will and will not do? Saying God cant do this unless this happens. lol something WoF trump that its impossible to claim your healing without faith. 3) There are many good hearted godly christians who have sicknesses and they in fact do believe in healing. Its when the day comes where they will be raised to life in glory possessing new body with no pain and no hurt. Even people who are suffering in this life thank God for whats to come in the next world not the now world.

To add to that is protection. Have you ever had God's protection in a dangerous situation before you were even saved? I have several. Why would that happen without WoF?

 

[jenniferand2]

"Word of Faith... teaches that Christians can access the power of faith or fear through speech...
The basic doctrine preached is that of wealth and health..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith

Ok, some of you reacted to the "health" part, I will post something to "wealth" part.

The Bible clearly says that to be rich is not the part of the Gospel or even the Christian goal to achieve:

"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you.
Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes.
Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days."
James 5:1-3

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
Matthew 19:23

"Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction."
1Tm 6:9

"Looking at his disciples, he said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."
Luke 6:20

amen amen amen thank you just because there are ways to get rich in the world does not mean your a better person or closer to God or anything of the sort... blessed are the meek for the shall be comforted..... Kindness and caring and loving will get people a lot father with God then riches and gold and a huge ego boosted life... do not boast or brag James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

Mark 4:19 - And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Just wondering who you would prefer listening to.

I am not a follower of Hagin by the way.

RC Sproul, John Piper, Matt Chandler, Paul Washer, John Macarthur, David Platt, Tim Keller, James White, Al Mohler, heck even Michael Brown hehe,

 

[CharlieGrown]

Who is PG?

 

[notuptome]

allowing and sending are two different things Roger...

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Hard for you to accept that this temporal existence is nothing compared to the future hope of glory with Christ.

I know some saints that this very minute are going through extreme trials. Their testimony as they endure great suffering may be the only witness that some of the health care workers tending to them may ever experience. That is much more persuasive than the God fixes everything religion that many adhere to today.

Some in religion today will never come to the truth because they spend all their time picking fly poop out of pepper.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stonesoffire]

RC Sproul, John Piper, Matt Chandler, Paul Washer, John Macarthur, David Platt, Tim Keller, James White, Al Mohler, heck even Michael Brown hehe,

ok thank you for answering.

 

[wanderer6059]

Who is PG?

prosperity gospel

 

[bluto]

if you don't believe jesus saves, you are not forgiven. if you don't believe in healing today, you won't be healed(atleast on the supernatural side, modern medicine will still do its part.) and Malcus was healed in the corporate faith, not by his personal faith, same with the man at the Pool of Bethesda.

After reading all your post wanderer I find it interesting that your "towing" the wof party line with the same answers they teach you. So wanderer, perhaps you can explain why Timothy was not healed by the Apostle Paul at 1 Timothy 5:23? Paul was not a doctor but he did tell Timothy to use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thinge ofter infirmities.

Or how about at 2 Timothy 4:20, "Erastus abode at Corinth; but Trophimus have I left at Miletum SICK." Why was he not healed wanderer? Was it because he did not have enough faith? Or perhaps he had some secret sin in his life and he was out of the will of God? And did you notice I did not even bring up the Apostles Paul's so-called "throne in the flesh because I don't have to. Wof has a way of explaining that away as well.

Now, can you please explain why wof preachers and teachers wear glasses and even contact lenses? Why have some of them had operations for various problems, catch the flu or a cold? And here is quote form dad hagan, "My belief is that it is indeed God's will that His children walk in complete health. It is ALWAYS God's will to heal His chi8ldren." Apparently mr. hagin has not read Exodus 4:11. I suggest you read it for yourself mr. wanderer.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[nowyouseem033]

Who is PG?

The abominable prosperity gospel. Hey John what do you think of the prosperity Gospel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTc_FoELt8s

 

[CharlieGrown]

The abominable prosperity gospel. Hey John what do you think of the prosperity Gospel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTc_FoELt8s

Yeah, i know it well. I guess WoF doesn't like to spell it out, maybe telling....

 

[CharlieGrown]

[video=youtube;lJBfFe1NTDk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJBfFe1NTDk[/video]

It's her shaky voice and on the verge of tears that really brings it home.

 

[wanderer6059]

Again most Christians believe in healing. The difference is 1) You do not have a RIGHT to it at all something WoF people claim you do (in fact they proclaim over themselves healing, rather inquiring God and praying to God), 2) Again you say with certainty God wont heal. Who are you to say what God will and will not do? Saying God cant do this unless this happens. lol something WoF trump that its impossible to claim your healing without faith. 3) There are many good hearted godly christians who have sicknesses and they in fact do believe in healing. Its when the day comes where they will be raised to life in glory possessing new body with no pain and no hurt. Even people who are suffering in this life thank God for whats to come in the next world not the now world.

Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'"

Jesus never told us to ask like beggars but to ask like sons and daughters. and i never said God would not heal, but if you don't believe it he won't, but its sill to think you can get something you don't even think is real. brother bring some scripture to the table, its funny but when you all argue with me i tend to be the only one bringing scripture, still no response to the verses i quoted earlier, so ill post them again

James 5:14-15: "Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well.."

Isaiah 53:5: "He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed."

Mark 11:24: "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."


Matt 9:35: "Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness."


Luke 6:19: "And the people all tried to touch him, because power was coming from him and healing them all."


Mark 5:34: "He said to her, Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering."


Exodus 23:25-26: “So you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you. No one shall suffer miscarriage or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days."


Deut 7:15: "And the LORD will take away from you all sickness, and will afflict you with none of the terrible diseases of Egypt which you have known..."


Deut 30:20: "That you may love the LORD your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days...”


Joshua 21:45: "Not a word failed of any good thing which the LORD had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass."


Psa 89:34: "My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips."

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Psa 103: 1-5: Bless the LORD, O my soul; And all that is within me, bless His holy name! Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget not all His benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases, Who redeems your life from destruction, Who crowns you with loving kindness and tender mercies, Who satisfies your mouth with good things, So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s."


Psa 107: 19-20: "Then they cried out to the LORD in their trouble, And He saved them out of their distresses. 20 He sent His word and healed them, And delivered them from their destructions."


Psa 118: 17: "I shall not die, but live, And declare the works of the LORD."


Prov 4:20-23: "My son, give attention to my words; Incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; Keep them in the midst of your heart; For they are life to those who find them, And health to all their flesh. Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life.


Isaiah 57: 19: " Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near,” Says the LORD, “And I will heal him.”


Isaiah 58:8: "Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard."


Jer 30:17: "For I will restore health to you And heal you of your wounds,’ says the LORD, Because they called you an outcast saying: This is Zion; No one seeks her.”


Mal 4:2: "But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings; And you shall go out And grow fat like stall-fed calves."


Matt 8:13: "Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour."


Matt 8:16-17: "When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: “He Himself took our infirmities And bore our sicknesses.”
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Matt 18:19: “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven."


Mark 11:22-24: "So Jesus answered and said to them, “Have faith in God. For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says.
Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them."


Mark 5:34: "And He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction.”


John 14:13-14: "And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."


John 15:7: "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you."


John 16:23-24: “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full."


John 16:26-27: "In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God."


Rom 4:17: "As it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations” in the presence of Him whom he believed God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;"


Eph 6:10: "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might."


1 Tim 6:12: "Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses."


I Peter 2:24: "who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed."


I John 5: 14-15: "Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him."


III John:2: "Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers."