Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!

[Whassup]

For those with poor reading skills or who intentionally skipped over the OP. I am only addressing this again, because I saw Isa. 53 quoted as proof so many times on this thread. Number 1 - it is horrifically bad hermeneutics to make a Bible verse from only one Scripture. If something is important, God will have it appear over and over again. This only appears here, and is quoted in the NT once each for 2 verses. Once!

Numerous references in scripture like this proves it is in fact of God.

All you are doing is apparently allowing the enemy to choke God's Word out of your life concerning health (Mark 4:13-20)

In Matthew 7:2 Jesus did say how you receive determines what you get which is a direct reference to Gal 6:7,8 so it's looking like in your case God cannot ever heal you because you discount His promise concerning health... so you would be stuck with the wisdom of mankind and the arm of the flesh (medical science) should you ever have health problems.

Why is it so hard to believe that God is good and has provided redemption for every area of man's life that was effected by Adam's disobedience??? It's simply right there in scripture.

Meanwhile... the rest of us are allowing God's promises to grow stronger in us with each passing day as we move towards divine health were we don't even get sick in the first place.

I've been doing this for wll over 2 decades so you've come a little late to convince me that my Lord has not already healed me! I've been translated from darkness into the Kingdom of God's dear Son (Colossians 1:13) which is yet more proof that healing is for me... cause in God's Kingdom of which I'm a citizen bought and paid for by the shed Blood of the Lamb... there is NO sickness or disease

When you see a fork in the road... take it!

 

[nowyouseem033]

Dear ccessationist,

What do you do,when a loved one is in trouble?

Sick?

Injured?

Do you pray?

How then do you activate an ounce of faith,not knowing if the bible is true?

(you automatically default into "well I know several not healed,so God is obviously powerless in this mental walk of mine")

You pray for them. If God deals great! If not thats okay too. Cessationists believe in healing, its the gift of healing that has ceased not healing itself.. Please please please recognize the distinction

 

[nowyouseem033]

Dear God,may I never be stricken with such insulting unbelief and insults to the King.

You are the same Jesus. You are power,you are the serpent on the rod that healed EVERY ONE THAT LOOKED UPON IT,you took not those stripes in vain.Your promise to us is the same,"RECEIVE YE THE HOLY SPIRIT"

"..and after that,they laid hands on them and they were baptized with the HOLY GHOST."

What on earth is going on in the mind of the cessationist,to seek less power,less anointing,less miracles from heaven,??????

To reject the anointing PROMISED?????

The power FREELY GIVEN????

Actually no. You go looking for power in the externals when it is the Word of God that has power.

 

[Whassup]

Cessationists believe in healing, its the gift of healing that has ceased not healing itself.. Please please please recognize the distinction

Actually, cessationists think God quit healing and He no longer does that gig anymore as it passed away with the last Apostle when he dies, which would have been John. Some are little more liberal than that and claim "sometimes God heals, sometimes He doesn't and you never know what God is going to do or not do"... which is still unbelief.

This means, cessationists and those that agree with their position have locked themselves out of the Lord being able to heal them so they are left with nothing but the arm of the flesh and the wisdom of mankind (medical science) should they need healing.

The only way out of that trp is to ask the Lord to forgive them for willing unbelief (choosing to believe promises in God's Word are not true) and get back to foundational Christianity that believes God's Word.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Actually, cessationists think God quit healing and He no longer does that gig anymore as it passed away with the last Apostle when he dies, which would have been John. Some are little more liberal than that and claim "sometimes God heals, sometimes He doesn't and you never know what God is going to do or not do"... which is still unbelief.

This means, cessationists and those that agree with their position have locked themselves out of the Lord being able to heal them so they are left with nothing but the arm of the flesh and the wisdom of mankind (medical science) should they need healing.

The only way out of that trp is to ask the Lord to forgive them for willing unbelief (choosing to believe promises in God's Word are not true) and get back to foundational Christianity that believes God's Word.

Again not true. God has quit the healing MINISTRY given to MEN. Yeah, thats what cessationists would believe and agree. But healing itself continues through God who answers prayer/prayers. I think its a bit harsh to say its willing unbelief. Have i prayed for healing for other people.. yes... do i believe God can heal... yes otherwise why pray it... BUT again what people fail to understand is that it is not doubt or unbelief, but rather a priority and robust faith that says even if i dont get healed i still will serve you.

 

[Whassup]

God has quit the healing MINISTRY given to MEN

Jesus disagrees... check out The Great Commission where He tells His followers to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.

Have i prayed for healing for other people

If you believe God has quit the healing ministry... why would you bother to pray.

You are contradicting yourself. Why not get off of all this and simply believe God's Word.

Unbelief = seeing what God says in His Word, and choosing to not believe what it says.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Jesus disagrees... check out The Great Commission where He tells His followers to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.



If you believe God has quit the healing ministry... why would you bother to pray.

You are contradicting yourself. Why not get off of all this and simply believe God's Word.

Unbelief = seeing what God says in His Word, and choosing to not believe what it says.

Again major major failure to recognize distinctions. Praying for God to heal is one thing... But claiming you have the GIFT of HEALING is another. Dont you see the difference because clearly you do not. Oh yes the great commission. You assume i havent read it. I know what it says. But again ITS CONTEXT something people fail to do when they read the bible. Who is Jesus talking to? His Disciples. And not to mention that Paul mentions various gifts including healing something you do not have. You have prayer so use it.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Jesus disagrees... check out The Great Commission where He tells His followers to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.



If you believe God has quit the healing ministry... why would you bother to pray.

You are contradicting yourself. Why not get off of all this and simply believe God's Word.

Unbelief = seeing what God says in His Word, and choosing to not believe what it says.

And then you say unbelief??? lol your a classic. like i said i believe in healing. But your ignorant to study the differences between gifts of healing and healing. So as a defense mechanism for your lack of study you just say "oh, its unbelief" God heals full stop. You dont.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Jesus disagrees... check out The Great Commission where He tells His followers to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.



If you believe God has quit the healing ministry... why would you bother to pray.

You are contradicting yourself. Why not get off of all this and simply believe God's Word.

Unbelief = seeing what God says in His Word, and choosing to not believe what it says.

I guess even poison wont kill you either huh?

 

[nowyouseem033]

I guess even poison wont kill you either huh?

Phillipians 2:25-27 "But now i have considered it neccessary for you to send Epaphroditus to you. For he is my brother in the Lord, soldier and you messenger and minister to ME in my need. Indeed, he greatly missed all of you and was distressed because you heard that he had been ill. In fact he became so ILL that he nearly DIED. But God who showed mercy to him, and not him only but also to me so that I would not have grief on top of grief".

So why didnt Paul heal him when he was with The guy nearly died?

 

[Whassup]

I guess even poison wont kill you either huh?

You'll need to argue with Jesus on that...

Mark 16:15-18
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Paul got bit by a snake and he did not die... the folks that witnessed it though he was a god because of this.

Yeah, so if we develop a lifestyle of believing and ACTING as though God watches over His Word to perform it (Jeremiah 1:12)... then we can be delivered from the evil that Jesus spoke of in John 17:15.

Obviously we cannot go ahead needlessly putting ourselves in danger as to temp God (sin), but if we find ourselves in a bad situation... according to the Word of God, He is on the scene ready to deliver... unless of course we decide to take matters in to our own hands and try to save ourselves, in which case the Lord will have to take a step back and let us at it... and if we fail we may very well die or experience some bad stuff.

The best defense is being led by the Holy Spirit Who will lead us out of trouble.

 

[nowyouseem033]

You'll need to argue with Jesus on that...

Mark 16:15-18
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Paul got bit by a snake and he did not die... the folks that witnessed it though he was a god because of this.

Yeah, so if we develop a lifestyle of believing and ACTING as though God watches over His Word to perform it (Jeremiah 1:12)... then we can be delivered from the evil that Jesus spoke of in John 17:15.

Obviously we cannot go ahead needlessly putting ourselves in danger as to temp God (sin), but if we find ourselves in a bad situation... according to the Word of God, He is on the scene ready to deliver... unless of course we decide to take matters in to our own hands and try to save ourselves, in which case the Lord will have to take a step back and let us at it... and if we fail we may very well die or experience some bad stuff.

The best defense is being led by the Holy Spirit Who will lead us out of trouble.

Oh right that was PAUL!!!!! not YOU!!!!! You are prone to die wether it be through poison or a car crash or any number of ways. Dont live in a fantasy world!!! wake up you live in a fallen WORLD!!! which means there will be sickness, hurt, pain, sin, temptation, struggles, suffering. The amount of rubbish that was posted is truly appalling. What are you doing here then. Go to the hospital and start laying hands on the sick because THEY WILL recover. I guess if they dont you dont have enough faith do you? Why dont you see preachers doing that... ?

 

[nowyouseem033]

You'll need to argue with Jesus on that...

Mark 16:15-18
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Paul got bit by a snake and he did not die... the folks that witnessed it though he was a god because of this.

Yeah, so if we develop a lifestyle of believing and ACTING as though God watches over His Word to perform it (Jeremiah 1:12)... then we can be delivered from the evil that Jesus spoke of in John 17:15.

Obviously we cannot go ahead needlessly putting ourselves in danger as to temp God (sin), but if we find ourselves in a bad situation... according to the Word of God, He is on the scene ready to deliver... unless of course we decide to take matters in to our own hands and try to save ourselves, in which case the Lord will have to take a step back and let us at it... and if we fail we may very well die or experience some bad stuff.

The best defense is being led by the Holy Spirit Who will lead us out of trouble.

My personal favourite is "the lord will have to take a step back?" haha You have a very low view of God to think he has to back down and away and high view of man to think i can make God do that.

 

[Whassup]

Dont live in a fantasy world!!!

I live by God's Word... it is apponted unto man to die once, but God does not decide when because He promised long life and He cannot lie.

You, on the other hand, apparently have decided that you can die at any moment so make sure yo ife insurance be all paid up!

It's too bad you reject God's promises... they will not work for you because of this.

You have a very low view of God

No, God says what you sow is what you reap, so if you decide to take control of a situation, then He cannot force Himself to control your will since we know Love does not demand it's own way according to 1 Cor 13.

God is the One Who gave mankind free will so He cannot FORCE His will upon men... if He could, then He would FORCE everyone to get saved....Go study your Bible some more...

 

[posthuman]

I live by God's Word... it is apponted unto man to die once, but God does not decide when because He promised long life and He cannot lie.

Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.
(Psalm 139:16)

A person's days are determined;
you have decreed the number of his months
and have set limits he cannot exceed.
(Job 14:5)

A time to give birth and a time to die;
A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted.
(Ecclesiastes 3:2)

He changes times and seasons;
He deposes kings and raises up others.
He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.
(Daniel 2:21)​

 

[nowyouseem033]

I live by God's Word... it is apponted unto man to die once, but God does not decide when because He promised long life and He cannot lie.

You, on the other hand, apparently have decided that you can die at any moment so make sure yo ife insurance be all paid up!

It's too bad you reject God's promises... they will not work for you because of this.






No, God says what you sow is what you reap, so if you decide to take control of a situation, then He cannot force Himself to control your will since we know Love does not demand it's own way according to 1 Cor 13.

God is the One Who gave mankind free will so He cannot FORCE His will upon men... if He could, then He would FORCE everyone to get saved....Go study your Bible some more...

WOW!! "God doesnt decide when"??? what foolishness is this. Of course he does, for the same God who gives life is the same God who takes it away. In Fact the same verse you quoted (Hebrews 9:27) goes against what you just said. "It is APPOINTED.." Whos making the appointment???? UH God is. So when you die, God appointed when you would. You will die!!! FACT. Probably from old age, when your bones will rot and decay, your eyesight will dim, you struggle to walk, and do basic things. FACT!!! Even if God heals you.. you still will die genius!! Well duh of course we could die at any moment. and yes thats what i said because its TRUE!!! You truly do lack understanding. let me say it again.... you could die at any moment FACT and TRUE!

 

[Zmouth]

You'll need to argue with Jesus on that...

Mark 16:15-18
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

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Everything after the 8th verse is not considered to be in the original manuscript of Mark, thus they say it is another example of the errors found in the KJV.

 

[posthuman]

God is the One Who gave mankind free will so He cannot FORCE His will upon men... if He could, then He would FORCE everyone to get saved....Go study your Bible some more...

Jesus answered them,
“I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
(John 10:25-27)

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who made the sheep, and who made the goats?
who determined which was which?
who chose this one and said, you are my sheep -
and who chose the other and said, you are not my sheep?

where do i read about the shepherd who went out among the free-range wild sheep, ignorant of what the end result would be, to see if maybe some would decide to follow him home, so that he could have some sheep to call his own?
((because i've already read about the Good One who knew His sheep from the beginning, and went out to call them, to find them, and to bring them to Himself))

 

[nowyouseem033]

I live by God's Word... it is apponted unto man to die once, but God does not decide when because He promised long life and He cannot lie.

You, on the other hand, apparently have decided that you can die at any moment so make sure yo ife insurance be all paid up!

It's too bad you reject God's promises... they will not work for you because of this.






No, God says what you sow is what you reap, so if you decide to take control of a situation, then He cannot force Himself to control your will since we know Love does not demand it's own way according to 1 Cor 13.

God is the One Who gave mankind free will so He cannot FORCE His will upon men... if He could, then He would FORCE everyone to get saved....Go study your Bible some more...

God can do whatever he jolly well pleases. read Romans 9 18 "so then it is God who shows mercy and he hardens whom he CHOOSES to harden" verse 16 which smashes what you just said.. "So then it does not depend upon HUMAN WILL or EXERTION, but on GOD who shows mercy" your response "BUT wait what about my free will?" lol the same free will thats enslaved to sin and in bondage to sin. haha aint so free now is it

 

[nowyouseem033]

Everything after the 8th verse is not considered to be in the original manuscript of Mark, thus they say it is another example of the errors found in the KJV.

haha i was going to mention that but i thought not.