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FreeNChrist
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It should scare you. Because it shows you are trying to grab Gods glory for yourself. God hates that.
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It should scare you. Because it shows you are trying to grab Gods glory for yourself. God hates that.
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MacBestus
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So more twisting good into evil.
You say trying to glorify our Father by living the way He said He wanted us too, or Glorifying.Our.Messiah by trying to walk as he.did. as he commanded we walk. Is Stealing our Fathers Glory? And he does.not like obedience?
Again. There is more twist coming out of you than out of Chubby Checker.
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FreeNChrist
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You have much to learn, Grasshopper. The Law is entirely rooted in God. When you try to keep the Law in the energy of your flesh you are actually usurping God by trying to set the Law free from its foundation in God. That is the very definition of lawlessness. And it is nothing less than an attempt to annul the Law and grab Gods glory for yourself whether you realize it or not.
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MacBestus
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Snicker..
Your case...Obeying YHWH is stealing his authority. Disobeying him shows his authority.
Your case...Obeying the law shows disobedience to the law.
Your case... Doing what the master stells you to do is grabbing his glory for yourself. But not keeping his law gives him glory.
Sounds awfully like your trying to get people to try some friut you picked up in Eden.
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FreeNChrist
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The only ones obeying God are those living by faith in Christ, and we are the only ones who are.
Actually the funny thing is that the law is actually a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which was in Eden and people are still eating from it today.
I believe that the Law is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The fruit of "knowing good" is on the same tree as in the "knowing of evil". This is the Law.
The Law was brought into the hearts of all people because of Adam's sin. Even those that knew not the Law of Moses - still had the Law in them. The mystery of iniquity is in the blood of all people born. ( except for our Lord of course )
Romans 2:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
We were not made to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - that is for God alone - but we are to eat from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself.
There today still stands two choices as in the Garden of Eden - to either eat from the fruit of the law or eat from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself.
We need to allow the blood of Jesus to purge our consciences from dead works to serve the living God inside of us now - Jesus by way of the Holy Spirit. The Father is in us now too because we are all one spirit joined together.
I believe that the Law is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The fruit of "knowing good" is on the same tree as in the "knowing of evil". This is the Law.
The Law was brought into the hearts of all people because of Adam's sin. Even those that knew not the Law of Moses - still had the Law in them. The mystery of iniquity is in the blood of all people born. ( except for our Lord of course )
Romans 2:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
We were not made to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - that is for God alone - but we are to eat from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself.
There today still stands two choices as in the Garden of Eden - to either eat from the fruit of the law or eat from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself.
We need to allow the blood of Jesus to purge our consciences from dead works to serve the living God inside of us now - Jesus by way of the Holy Spirit. The Father is in us now too because we are all one spirit joined together.
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MacBestus
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Ahh you believe in quabbalah... I rejrct that as it twists the bible 180 degrees.
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MacBestus
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The belief that the law is a manifestation of the tree is a tenant of quabbalah. I reject quabbalah.
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MacBestus
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possibly interesting side note
as far as I can find, the first rule in the law is
GENESIS 2:16 And the Lord God gave the man orders, saying, You may freely take of the fruit of every tree of the garden:
GENESIS 2:17 But of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you may not take; for on the day when you take of it, death will certainly come to you.
Nonsense.....the law is a definite tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Anyway there has been many that have shown the truth of living by Christ now and that we have died to the law, been released from the law and are not under the law but under grace.
So, I will just leave all this in the hands of the Lord and trust the Holy Spirit in the young Christians to witness the joy, life and peace of Christ's life in them so that they are not deceived by going back to the law for life an living now and desert their Lord. Christ's life in us is how we live now.
Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Good one....and Paul did call it the ministry of death. We were never meant to eat from that tree. That is for God Himself. We eat from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself.
Notice the difference - ministry of death verses the ministry of the Spirit
2 Corinthians 3:7-9 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if the ministry of death,in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.
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MacBestus
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Where it seems we are going back tonthe same Paul quotes that have already been defined and dissected back to the Greek. And it seems you don't mind making Messiah wrong and Peter a liar and Paul a self contradicting Crazy Man in Your testimony and belief. And since you have no problem bearing false witness over what HRM teaches. And apparently you wish to be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. I have fulfilled my Ezekiel 33 obligations to you.
Better get on top of all those other "laws" too. You have to do all the law - not just the ones that we think are "do-able" to us now from our own human effort.
James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
The true Christian life is a life fully dependent on the Lord Jesus Christ and it is an exchanged life. We have died and our true life in hidden with Christ in God. Col.3:3
It is finished - we can rest in Him. He is more than enough!...and we can trust Him.
Hebrews 4:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
The true Christian life is a life fully dependent on the Lord Jesus Christ and it is an exchanged life. We have died and our true life in hidden with Christ in God. Col.3:3
It is finished - we can rest in Him. He is more than enough!...and we can trust Him.
Hebrews 4:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
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was it not paul who said if you obey one, your indebted to obey them all..
Moses was given an oath to make the people receive or reject. To confirm and obey every word written in the law. failure to do so would make them break the covenant, It meant, the only way to keep the covenant, is to be sinless perfect.. Because as you so rightely showed, even james understood. Break it even one, (no matter how small the sin may be ) abnd your guilty of it all.
Yes....Paul did say this about those that chose to live by the law of Moses. Notice Pal calls it "the works of the Law".
Galatians 3:10-12 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM."
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
If they fail to keep one law - they are in trouble as they must live by "all" the law - not cherry pick the laws they want to keep and try to get others to keep too.
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MacBestus
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More proof of what you need to believe to make the sin doctrine work in your mind. More false witness. More fools making mock of sin..... I like all who call on Messiah am under Grace. My attempting to live as he did is notbfor salvation. But because He commanded it. By your logic anyone who keeps the ten commandments. Or the new Testament law refinements is just as guilty. You wish to damn us all in your desire to follow the enemies commands to do as you will.
You have once again proven prophecy inerrant.
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
You have once again proven prophecy inerrant.
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
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MacBestus
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Jgig. You once again show yourself to twist. Grace being a puppy isnt the point. Grace being a Living dynamic thing is the point. A gratitude to His love is the point.
And btw. I have more children than you, also with Good Fruit. You are blessed sister... By the law doctrine. By the Sin Doctrine you are guilty of stealing YHWH'S glory as you have fulfilld a law from Torah.
You should never have gone forth and multiplied. YHWH hates those who obey Torah. I guess you are guilty under the whole of the law.... Here are your choices. Repent and never follow any of those bible commands again. Or continue to commit spiritual adultery.
Or this law okay? I know you guys say the law doctrine folks break up the law into the ones they want to and the others.... Which is untrue. But you sin doctrine chappies are right in there doing just that. There is a word for you folks. It is hypocrisy.
And btw. I have more children than you, also with Good Fruit. You are blessed sister... By the law doctrine. By the Sin Doctrine you are guilty of stealing YHWH'S glory as you have fulfilld a law from Torah.
You should never have gone forth and multiplied. YHWH hates those who obey Torah. I guess you are guilty under the whole of the law.... Here are your choices. Repent and never follow any of those bible commands again. Or continue to commit spiritual adultery.
Or this law okay? I know you guys say the law doctrine folks break up the law into the ones they want to and the others.... Which is untrue. But you sin doctrine chappies are right in there doing just that. There is a word for you folks. It is hypocrisy.
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