"replacement theology" - what is it?

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LaurenTM said:
I was actually 'proving' your narrow vision...that scripture pertains to far more than the view at the cross

the proof is in the context...not in what you mistakenly think is the fulfillment of scripture which is limited by your preterist view

if you think they was only the people at the cross, which it seems you do, you are misinterpreting and constricting what it actually means

go right ahead though..
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Where do you get "that scripture pertains to far more than the view of the cross" from? I don't understand why you say that, that statement comes from Zechariah and John says it was fulfilled at the cross. How was it not fulfilled at the cross?

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
 
LaurenTM said:
actually, both Roger and Ahwatukee provided the correct interpretation, staying with the context of both the prophecy and the time of Jesus crucifixion

your response along with the op's, is almost ridiculous if it were not for the fact you believe it is true

but again, that is preterism and just presents itself with no contextual regard often enough while stating much of the Bible is allegory or metaphor

I don't know what you people believe in, but certainly not God as the Bible presents Him
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I get it now... you guys think that just because somethig is written in Revelation then it has to be something in the future.

Maybe you guys should reconcile your wrong beliefs about Revelation with the book of John where it's written in simple terms... it was fulfilled at the cross. That means Reveleation 1:7 is talking about the cross.

Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
 
kaylagrl said:

There is no gnashing of teeth,this is a discussion and you were nasty in your comment to me. So don't make it look like we are all nasty people and you all are the righteous. Stick to discussion please.
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I dont take orders from you
 
KJV1611 said:
The point of the OP I believe was that there is no such thing as replacement theology. It was to give people who think that fleshly Israel is God's chosen people a chance to post verses that say "the children of the flesh, these are the children of God", but those verses don't exist.
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that has and will entirely escape them....although I am reminded you came out of it:)
yay! praise God
 
KJV1611 said:
Where do you get "that scripture pertains to far more than the view of the cross" from? I don't understand why you say that, that statement comes from Zechariah and John says it was fulfilled at the cross. How was it not fulfilled at the cross?

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
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wave wave - keep posting (not - lol)
 
notmyown said:
what shall we do with this?


But it is not as though the word of God has failed.
For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.”
This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. (Rom 9:6-8)

i'm just curious.
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Hi Notmyown,

I agree with the scripture in Romans. It is those of the faith who are children of God. I'm not sure what your question is with what I wrote, but I'll try to explain my answer and see if that helps.

One point I'm trying to stress is that the nation of Israel has a unique relationship with God than any other nation of the world. And it goes all the way back to Genesis with Abraham. God has a future plan for Israel.

And the reason I stressed the descendants of Abraham is because the Everlasting Covenant made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob continued on through their descendants all the way through to the Messiah who is/was Jewish. He's Israel's promised Messiah. He came to the Jew first and then to the gentile. Israel the nation still belongs to Him;He set His love upon them, made them into a great nation, made both covenants with them and is continuing to work in the hearts of the Jewish nation to bring them to Him.

They've suffered so much and rightly so because of their sin and their turning their backs on Him. But in every generation there is a remnant of Jews that love and serve Him with all their heart.

You'll find more about their future in Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah and Zechariah and Daniel and there may be others. Those are the ones that come to me from memory at the moment. When all Israel is saved, it's prophesied that 2/3 of her will die and 1/3 of the Jewish nation will be His. They will repent, see Whom they have pierced and weep over their sins as a nation. And so all (the 1/3 that's alive) Israel will be saved.

Here's a future prophecy for Israel. Ezekiel 36:

22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes. 24 I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. 28 You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29 And I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. And I will summon the grain and make it abundant and lay no famine upon you. 30 I will make the fruit of the tree and the increase of the field abundant, that you may never again suffer the disgrace of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways, and your deeds that were not good, and you will loathe yourselves for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 It is not for your sake that I will act, declares the Lord God; let that be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your ways, O house of Israel.
33 “Thus says the Lord God: On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will cause the cities to be inhabited, and the waste places shall be rebuilt. 34 And the land that was desolate shall be tilled, instead of being the desolation that it was in the sight of all who passed by. 35 And they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden, and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’ 36 Then the nations that are left all around you shall know that I am the Lord; I have rebuilt the ruined places and replanted that which was desolate. I am the Lord; I have spoken, and I will do it.
37 “Thus says the Lord God: This also I will let the house of Israel ask me to do for them: to increase their people like a flock. 38 Like the flock for sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem during her appointed feasts, so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of people. Then they will know that I am the Lord.”



 
ZEEK said:
He came to Israel, period.

Not the Jew first and then the gentile
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John 1
…10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—…
 
I have a question. If the Israel of God is not the body of believers, both Jew and Gentile, today and in years past, who was or has been the Israel of God since our Lord's ascension in 33 A.D. until now ? If your answer is the Jews that have been scattered throughout the nations for over two-thousand years, how is an unbeliever of the gospel called God's Israel, nation or otherwise ? They have rejected the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ. Is anything of our Father's plan of salvation thru faith in Christ nullified or exempt due to race or nationality ? Only those who have the Son have the Father. At a minimum, the vast majority of "God's Israel" for these last two-thousand years plus have fallen short of God's mark and calling ... and His eternal rest. Does this make sense to you ? To anybody ?
 
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ZEEK said:
He came to Israel, period.

Not the Jew first and then the gentile
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Zeek, your argument is with God and Paul.

Romans 1
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Romans 2:
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.
 
ZEEK said:
Jesus was not jewish btw
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Zeek, I wasn't going to respond to this because it just seems so unbelievable that a person who claims Jesus as their Lord, would ever say such a thing. Have you never read his ancestry in Matthew? He's called the Son of David for a reason.
 
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