Tongues Again???
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I don't believe tongues are the language of angels.
When man was created and as his numbers grew he had a singular spiritual language. This singular language continued until the tower of Babel. When the Christ/Messiah returns to restore all that man lost in the fall, one of the things that will be restored is that singular spiritual language. I believe that what we know now as tongues is our ability to tap into that future restored language now thru the Holy Spirit. And that when Christ returns, tongues won't actually cease, they will just cease to be known as tongues, since at that time they will be our native language.
When man was created and as his numbers grew he had a singular spiritual language. This singular language continued until the tower of Babel. When the Christ/Messiah returns to restore all that man lost in the fall, one of the things that will be restored is that singular spiritual language. I believe that what we know now as tongues is our ability to tap into that future restored language now thru the Holy Spirit. And that when Christ returns, tongues won't actually cease, they will just cease to be known as tongues, since at that time they will be our native language.
According to Joel tongues will resume when Christ returns and sets up the millennial kingdom. There is that inconvenient gap in tongues and prophecy and knowledge till then.
If we are going to speculate I suggest that the one language that will be spoken in the new kingdom will be Hebrew.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
If we are going to speculate I suggest that the one language that will be spoken in the new kingdom will be Hebrew.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You seem to be flip flopping. In the last post, you seemed to be promoting the idea that modern tongues are 'ecstatic utterances.' That is a terrible description of speaking in tongues, since one does not have to be ecstatic to speak in tongues.
You just promote your ideas rather than sticking with the scriptures. Paul wrote 'Though I speak with th tongues of men and of angels." And if you take that as 'If" rather than "though" you should still allow for the possibility that he speaks tongues of angels, or that such languages exist
No, I don't. I did not make that argument in my post and there is no indication that I think that. You are just making stuff up again.
Such foolish, broad-sweeping statements.
Paul suggested that he might speak in 'tongues of angels' so that first part has no Biblical basis. The Bible never requires that 'speaking in tongues' be in a human language. And the second part is just more doctrine you just made up. Speaking in tongues is a supernatural gift. Interpretation of tongues is a supernatural gift. I Corinthians 14:13 says to let him who speaks in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. I speak another language and I don't have to pray to be able to interpret it, since I can interpret using my knowledge of both languages. An interpreter of tongues needs a gift of the Spirit to be able to interpret, not natural knowledge of the language.
If you really believed that, you would not oppose the doctrine Paul taught on spiritual gifts in I Corinthians. You would not oppose 'Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge' and '...covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues.'
You just promote your ideas rather than sticking with the scriptures. Paul wrote 'Though I speak with th tongues of men and of angels." And if you take that as 'If" rather than "though" you should still allow for the possibility that he speaks tongues of angels, or that such languages exist
No, I don't. I did not make that argument in my post and there is no indication that I think that. You are just making stuff up again.
Such foolish, broad-sweeping statements.
Paul suggested that he might speak in 'tongues of angels' so that first part has no Biblical basis. The Bible never requires that 'speaking in tongues' be in a human language. And the second part is just more doctrine you just made up. Speaking in tongues is a supernatural gift. Interpretation of tongues is a supernatural gift. I Corinthians 14:13 says to let him who speaks in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. I speak another language and I don't have to pray to be able to interpret it, since I can interpret using my knowledge of both languages. An interpreter of tongues needs a gift of the Spirit to be able to interpret, not natural knowledge of the language.
If you really believed that, you would not oppose the doctrine Paul taught on spiritual gifts in I Corinthians. You would not oppose 'Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge' and '...covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues.'
Accuse if you wish. I endeavor to draw distinctions by comparing what was the practice in the apostolic church with todays modern charismatic Pentecostal church. They are not even close in practice and biblical doctrine. We both know that none of the charismatic Pentecostal groups agree on which is which.
Simply put most scholars conclude that Paul is using hyperbole and not suggesting the existence of or use of angelic languages. There is not one place in scripture where men or angels spoke in any angelic language. Always spoken languages were human languages.
If you say so.
You are at liberty to demonstrate from scripture where I'm wrong. Otherwise I'm not the one acting foolishly.
Classic new age mysticism. It's beyond natural so it cannot be impeached. No sir it is your skewed interpretation that make is mystical and not biblical. This is the conflict that you force on the scriptures. Tongues are human languages so the speaking of and the comprehension of them is profitable in the service of the gospel.
I am always accused of forbidding tongues. That is a ridiculous accusation. If you can demonstrate that what you claim to do is biblical tongues in biblical context and for Gods purposes no one would prohibit their exercise. What you promote as tongues is contrary to scripture and cannot be produced by the Holy Spirit but are the result of the spirit of man.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Simply put most scholars conclude that Paul is using hyperbole and not suggesting the existence of or use of angelic languages. There is not one place in scripture where men or angels spoke in any angelic language. Always spoken languages were human languages.
If you say so.
You are at liberty to demonstrate from scripture where I'm wrong. Otherwise I'm not the one acting foolishly.
Classic new age mysticism. It's beyond natural so it cannot be impeached. No sir it is your skewed interpretation that make is mystical and not biblical. This is the conflict that you force on the scriptures. Tongues are human languages so the speaking of and the comprehension of them is profitable in the service of the gospel.
I am always accused of forbidding tongues. That is a ridiculous accusation. If you can demonstrate that what you claim to do is biblical tongues in biblical context and for Gods purposes no one would prohibit their exercise. What you promote as tongues is contrary to scripture and cannot be produced by the Holy Spirit but are the result of the spirit of man.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Listen up. The revival of tongues is not for the church it is for Israel. The end times prophecies are about Israel not the church.
The two witnesses are not going to be Gentile church members form the local Pentecostal church. They will be of Israel and will prophecy to Israel of their Messiah Jesus.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The two witnesses are not going to be Gentile church members form the local Pentecostal church. They will be of Israel and will prophecy to Israel of their Messiah Jesus.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Acts 19:1-6 After salvation you can have the Spirit come upon you---your will speak with tongues---when I was in the Army witnessed to two soldiers about the Holy Spirit---go back to your barracks and ask God for the Holy Spirit to come upon you--The Holy Spirit did and they told me that they received this experience and spoke in tongues...
You simply misunderstand Roger. Before I was born again, I had fear that a spirit would take over my body. Might be from movies about ghosts that I watched as a kid.
Its not this way at all. Its emotional at times with great joy, or peace flooding in...and even power surging through us. All different experiences and all good. Holy Spirit is gentle.
Its not this way at all. Its emotional at times with great joy, or peace flooding in...and even power surging through us. All different experiences and all good. Holy Spirit is gentle.
If the end times events are reserved for Israel then why does God REPEATEDLY say they will be poured out upon the world?
Those who think it is just for Israel think we gentiles are going to get a free pass for our disobedience and disbelief.
God does not hand out free passes, other than for salvation and even that is not free in that we have to take a positive step to accept it..
Those who think it is just for Israel think we gentiles are going to get a free pass for our disobedience and disbelief.
God does not hand out free passes, other than for salvation and even that is not free in that we have to take a positive step to accept it..