"replacement theology" - what is it?

[LaurenTM]

Easy to say, hard to prove.

well you sure know that, right? LOL!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

oh yes....the Plan B theory.

Plan B?

Never been a plan B.

Salvation has been by grace since adam, will be until the last man alive on earth.

this argument gets old Zone.

and people wonder why it gets so heated.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ya, I never said Israel does everything right. But if you're talking about Palestinians and who has a right to the land,its Israel.

it seems to be their pet argument, We love on Israel and let them do whatever they want,

Even though NOBODY does this..

I guess it is OK for Palestinians to slaughter jewish babies and women, But how dare Israel retaliate. They should not defend themselves.

If palestine was the US, we would be screaming to wipe palestinians off the map..

 

[zone]

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

25. For I would not … that ye should be ignorant of this mystery—The word "mystery," so often used by our apostle, does not mean (as with us) something incomprehensible, but "something before kept secret, either wholly or for the most part, and now only fully disclosed" (compare Ro 16:25; 1Co 2:7-10; Eph 1:9, 10; 3:3-6, 9, 10).

lest ye should be wise in your own conceits—as if ye alone were in all time coming to be the family of God.

that blindness—"hardness"

in part is happened to—"hath come upon"

Israel—that is, hath come partially, or upon a portion of Israel.

until the fulness of the Gentiles be—"have"

come in—that is, not the general conversion of the world to Christ, as many take it; for this would seem to contradict the latter part of this chapter, and throw the national recovery of Israel too far into the future: besides, in Ro 11:15, the apostle seems to speak of the receiving of Israel, not as following, but as contributing largely to bring about the general conversion of the world—but, "until the Gentiles have had their full time of the visible Church all to themselves while the Jews are out, which the Jews had till the Gentiles were brought in." (See Lu 21:24).

 

[zone]

I love you too, But your wrong

King davids grandma was a gentile. Ninevah repented at jonahs teaching, There are all kinds of Gentiles who will be in heaven, It was never just jewish. In fact, Abraham never got his land, because Gentiles had not yet completed there sin, they had to wait 400 years.

If the church was strickly jewish in the OT, then people before abraham must have missed out..

I never said any of that.

 

[zone]

Ya, I never said Israel does everything right. But if you're talking about Palestinians and who has a right to the land,its Israel.

actually, it would technically be jewish Christians who own the land.
if they cared about it, which they do not, since they have new Jerusalem as their mother.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I never said any of that.

yet, when I said The church was never just Israel. You told me I was wrong??

forgive me if I am confused.

was I wrong, or right?

 

[kaylagrl]

And we are there.. "hate Israel", "Hitler argument", "holocaust argument" etc etc.

Can you "hear" yourself? Be rational and slow down in your hysterical reactions, so typical for pro-Israel centered Christians.

Quote"And we are there.. "hate Israel", "Hitler argument", "holocaust argument" etc etc."

I posted what the church fathers said. Do you agree or disagree with them? How about Zeek who was posting here and got banned. Agree with his sentiments? There is a history between replacement and anti-semitism, read history and its easily proven. As I said before Hitler wasn't the first to put the Jews in ghettos,or make them wear the star,it was the Catholics who taught the replacement theology. And they admitted this and recanted from this belief after the Holocaust as did the Protestant church. Then someone drags it out of the dirt pile and dresses it up again. Its unbelievable that with the history attached to it people still believe this nonsense.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

actually, it would technically be jewish Christians who own the land.
if they cared about it, which they do not, since they have new Jerusalem as their mother.

So if you moved away from the land your family owned, You would never care about that land? It would hold no sentimental value to you?

You are not like most people.

 

[zone]

yet, when I said The church was never just Israel. You told me I was wrong??

forgive me if I am confused.

was I wrong, or right?

you're right about that, but wrong about dispensationalism.
the disciples were the Israel of God (Christ) and gentiles are grafted in.

 

[trofimus]

Quote"And we are there.. "hate Israel", "Hitler argument", "holocaust argument" etc etc."

I posted what the church fathers said. Do you agree or disagree with them? How about Zeek who was posting here and got banned. Agree with his sentiments? There is a history between replacement and anti-semitism, read history and its easily proven. As I said before Hitler wasn't the first to put the Jews in ghettos,or make them wear the star,it was the Catholics who taught the replacement theology. And they admitted this and recanted from this belief after the Holocaust as did the Protestant church. Then someone drags it out of the dirt pile and dresses it up again. Its unbelievable that with the history attached to it people still believe this nonsense.

There is history of everything. That does not mean we should be hysterical and argument by Hitler every time somebody says Isreal is doing wrong and is not the people of God.

 

[zone]

So if you moved away from the land your family owned, You would never care about that land? It would hold no sentimental value to you?

You are not like most people.

who cares about that?
what God said matters.

Jerusalem in paul's day was already called Hagar.
he said Jerusalem above is the mother of the saved.
he said cast out the bond woman (hagar) as she will NOT inherit.

 

[trofimus]

So if you moved away from the land your family owned, You would never care about that land? It would hold no sentimental value to you?

You are not like most people.

Actually, do you care about the land your ancestors lived 2000 years ago? Do you even know which one it was? This is so absurd.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

25. For I would not … that ye should be ignorant of this mystery—The word "mystery," so often used by our apostle, does not mean (as with us) something incomprehensible, but "something before kept secret, either wholly or for the most part, and now only fully disclosed" (compare Ro 16:25; 1Co 2:7-10; Eph 1:9, 10; 3:3-6, 9, 10).

lest ye should be wise in your own conceits—as if ye alone were in all time coming to be the family of God.

that blindness—"hardness"

in part is happened to—"hath come upon"

Israel—that is, hath come partially, or upon a portion of Israel.

until the fulness of the Gentiles be—"have"

come in—that is, not the general conversion of the world to Christ, as many take it; for this would seem to contradict the latter part of this chapter, and throw the national recovery of Israel too far into the future: besides, in Ro 11:15, the apostle seems to speak of the receiving of Israel, not as following, but as contributing largely to bring about the general conversion of the world—but, "until the Gentiles have had their full time of the visible Church all to themselves while the Jews are out, which the Jews had till the Gentiles were brought in." (See Lu 21:24).

so, since "it would be to far into the future" Lets twist what the apostle paul said, because it could not say what some think he said.

It says when the hardening will be removed, When the time of the gentile is fulfilled.

actually it does not contradict the later part. It brings the latter part into focus.

and makes it real. Which was pauls argument, As a gentile believe, do not be to proud.. For they ar eonly blinded in part. until the time of gentile is complete. THEN all isreal will be saved.

Until then, They are hated according to the gospel. Beloved according to th epromise (election) why, Because Gods gifts and calling are irrevocable.

when will that occur?

it has not occurred yet.

 

[kaylagrl]

it seems to be their pet argument, We love on Israel and let them do whatever they want,

Even though NOBODY does this..

I guess it is OK for Palestinians to slaughter jewish babies and women, But how dare Israel retaliate. They should not defend themselves.

If palestine was the US, we would be screaming to wipe palestinians off the map..

Its
ridiculous, you dont need the Bible to prove the land belongs to Israel. Palestinians drag bodies into playgrounds, force people to stay in their homes during attacks,and tunnel in to Israel underground. But its Israels fault. smh Its crazy.

 

[KJV1611]

So to you the remnant in Romans 11 is the church?

I don't know what you mean the church? The remnant are flesh Jews that come to Christ, God hasn't thrown away his chosen people just because he cast away Israel. There are still chosen people in the Jewish bloodline that will be saved.

That's exactly what Paul was saying in Romans 11:1

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually, do you care about the land your ancestors lived 2000 years ago? Do you even know which one it was? This is so absurd.

lol.. well I did not have land given to me like God. They did. I may not Know. BUT THEY DO!

So it is just a little different?

Also. My land does not have a history (I do not even know what land it was)

If God gave my ancestors land, and promised, if my people obeyed him, and heeded his word, he would be my God and keep my family in peace.

You bet I would want to be there..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its
ridiculous, you dont need the Bible to prove the land belongs to Israel. Palestinians drag bodies into playgrounds, force people to stay in their homes during attacks,and tunnel in to Israel underground. But its Israels fault. smh Its crazy.

all you have to do is talk to them for a but, and it comes out. Always does.. That hate is there, it just needs to be proded (see Zeek and a few others who have suffered his fate)

 

[kaylagrl]

There is history of everything. That does not mean we should be hysterical and argument by Hitler every time somebody says Isreal is doing wrong and is not the people of God.

No, the replacement theology is anti-semetic. Always has been. What is Israel doing "wrong" btw?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't know what you mean the church? The remnant are flesh Jews that come to Christ, God hasn't thrown away his chosen people just because he cast away Israel. There are still chosen people in the Jewish bloodline that will be saved.

That's exactly what Paul was saying in Romans 11:1

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

No this is not what it says, God separated believing gentiles from believing jews in Romans 11. If what you said was true, he would never have done this.

again, Why do you judge we do not want to take the word of God for what it says, when your the one doing it?