Tongues???
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Not insulted at all.
My experience with "tongues" is with the Pentecostal/Holiness people in my area.
They teach that tongues is a sign of salvation. If you do not speak in tongues you are going to hell.
One of the local preachers often is in front of Walmart proclaiming this lie while all the time mixing in "tongues" with his preaching.
Walmart keeps running him off, but he just keeps coming back.
No, theres the office of the prophet, and then theres those who prophesy. Is not the same. Look at Acts. A prophet rose up and told Paul that in every town he entered he would face trouble.
The last time I received a message in a church...it was a call to believe the words of a song that had just been sung. Prophecy this way is not just to them, but to me as well.
The last time I received a message in a church...it was a call to believe the words of a song that had just been sung. Prophecy this way is not just to them, but to me as well.
When it is done the way the Apostles did it, with unbelieving Jews hearing in their own dialectos; I will be the first to acknowledge it is of GOD; and anything LESS IS NOT OF GOD, PERIOD. That is why I almost always change the word TONGUES to tongues when referring to the charismatic experience, so as to differentiate between the GENUINE GIFT that we are not to forbid, and the counterfeit that CHRIST HIMSELF FORBADE:
Matthew 6:7 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when you pray, do not keep on babbling [battalogeo] like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Matthew 6:8 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
Matthew 6:9-13 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]"This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us today our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'
That is not taken out of context, THAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE CONTEXT ON HOW HE WANTS US TO PRAY AND HOW NOT TO.
You keep insisting on using the Definition of what TONGUES IS, that the Charismatic movement themselves changed to include their ecstatic utterances in 1906. I DO NOT, I use the original definition of what TONGUES WAS.
Matthew 6:7 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when you pray, do not keep on babbling [battalogeo] like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Matthew 6:8 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
Matthew 6:9-13 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]"This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us today our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'
That is not taken out of context, THAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE CONTEXT ON HOW HE WANTS US TO PRAY AND HOW NOT TO.
You keep insisting on using the Definition of what TONGUES IS, that the Charismatic movement themselves changed to include their ecstatic utterances in 1906. I DO NOT, I use the original definition of what TONGUES WAS.
That is the one that baffles me too. I have seen and heard of numerous Charismatics and Word of Faith preachers tell and new Charimatic tonges speaker, "You have GOT IT! Now when you go home practice you new prayer language." Since when can you practice a miracle that was done by GOD.
1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (RSV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] In the law it is written, "By men of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord."
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Thus, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers.
Those false teachers are literally telling them to ignore and be disobedient to how JESUS taught them to Pray:
Matthew 6:7-9 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] "This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
And what is amazing is they still fail to recognize they are disobedient to Christ when they use a private prayer language, and THUS those instructions to practice their private prayer language ALSO DID NOT COME FROM GOD.
Revelation 22:18 (ASV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:
Proverbs 30:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Don’t add to His words, or He will rebuke you, and you will be proved a liar.
Jude 1:3 (GWT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Dear friends, I had intended to write to you about the salvation we share. But something has come up. It demands that I write to you and encourage you to continue your fight for the Christian faith that was entrusted to God's holy people once for all time.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:
Proverbs 30:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Don’t add to His words, or He will rebuke you, and you will be proved a liar.
Jude 1:3 (GWT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Dear friends, I had intended to write to you about the salvation we share. But something has come up. It demands that I write to you and encourage you to continue your fight for the Christian faith that was entrusted to God's holy people once for all time.
Raising the dead is not a gift, it falls under the miracles/signs/wonders category.
And yeah, it is all active today. God hasn't changed, has He?
Lemme ask you this... as a firefighter I responded to who knows how many dying people. There was a patient for whom we had done everything we could and we were about to call our efforts off and declare him dead. The Spirit said put your hand on him and speak, so I gently put a hand over his heart and quietly asked "God save this man". The man's heart responded and 3 days later he walked out of the hospital.
In my 35 years that was the only time the Spirit led me to 'raise the dead' (altho I have been led to do other things in other situations). Why was that man so important for the Spirit to move on? Only He can tell you. But what I can tell you is that, if I didn't believe it was possible, I never would have tried. And the Spirit's work in the situation would have been stymied for lack of faith.
I don't think anyone has to do these things, and I hate seeing others trying to force that idea upon people.
But I believe we all are called upon to be open to it. Lest God's will be stymied by our lack of belief and faith.
And yeah, it is all active today. God hasn't changed, has He?
Lemme ask you this... as a firefighter I responded to who knows how many dying people. There was a patient for whom we had done everything we could and we were about to call our efforts off and declare him dead. The Spirit said put your hand on him and speak, so I gently put a hand over his heart and quietly asked "God save this man". The man's heart responded and 3 days later he walked out of the hospital.
In my 35 years that was the only time the Spirit led me to 'raise the dead' (altho I have been led to do other things in other situations). Why was that man so important for the Spirit to move on? Only He can tell you. But what I can tell you is that, if I didn't believe it was possible, I never would have tried. And the Spirit's work in the situation would have been stymied for lack of faith.
I don't think anyone has to do these things, and I hate seeing others trying to force that idea upon people.
But I believe we all are called upon to be open to it. Lest God's will be stymied by our lack of belief and faith.
