Pastor tells kids waiting in Santa Clause like that Santa isn't real

[Smoke]

For the record. My kid doesn't believe in Santa clause and he is 9. But he still asked me if we can leave out milk and cookies...,cuz he knows I'll get up and eat and drink and he'll wake up to a couple of extra gifts under the tree that have santas name on them.....he's no dummy.

So your kid is pretending... you going along with it is not lying to your kid. It's harmless fantasy... I loved it as a child. Some people will still think it's taking away from Jesus, which I disagree with. However, I wasn't talking about your particular scenario, in fact, I have spoken out that if we make it clear what is fantasy and what isn't, it's okay to pretend. Many parents don't tell their kid it's pretend but that in reality, a big fat man wearing a suit literally travels the world on Dec. 24th and goes down the chimney delivering presents to good boys and girls. They make excuses for why they bear false witness.

It also wouldn't make the children a dummy for believing it... I mean, they are just believing the people in this world who love them the most... For this reason, it's important NOT to lie to them... yes, pretend and play with them, but don't lie to them is all I've been saying. =/

 

[Smoke]

Listen if this "pastor" wants to tell the kids in church there is no Santa,if he wants to tell the parents off for lying to kids IN HIS CHURCH, fine. He's talking to mainly,hopefully, saved Christians. But to walk into a mall and film himself telling unsaved parents with their children there is no Santa is cruel. It was to draw attention to himself and it was for his own glory. Its none of his business what the parents teach their kids or what lies they teach them. He made a fool of himself and the Gospel. He closed the door shut to everyone in that line and now no one will be able to reach them with the truth because a self centered donkey wanted to make a point.

You know what he wouldn't do? Pass out fliers and shake peoples hands,"you're welcome to come to our church on Sunday,free cookies,coffee and gifts for the little ones" Then while there tell them about the baby Jesus and invite them to Sunday school. Do you know how many parents get saved from kids doing Christmas plays,attending Sunday school and asking parents to come? Why didn't he do that??? TOO MUCH EFFORT! No lets walk into a mall and yell like a lunatic and get it on cam and show people how righteous I am. Ridiculous,no reason for it. He did deserve to be slugged.

I don't know his heart or his intentions. If I had to guess, I think he's "offended" by the commercialism of Santa and the taking away of Jesus Christ. I can sympathize to some degree with his offense... I don't condone what he does but I can't necessarily condemn him either, other than he should have direct his message to the parents and not the children.


I agree that there are much better ways he could deliver the message in a more receptive way. However, I don't think it's "cruel" what he did... If anything I think it's humorous. Really... think about it... He's in the mall trying to convince people there is no such thing as Santa Claus... I know people love to exercise their right to be offended (the man is offended by Santa and the people are offended he is exercising his rights to free speech) but come on...

How many safe places do we need? Every time a group of people say something we disagree with we cry out for a safe place... To say "He doesn't have the right to tell other people's kids what is true..."... well, the founding father's disagree with you. Now, they don't have to DO what he says, but this man has every right to say anything (as long as it's not threatening) that he beliefs and feels. The people have a few choices to make... Leave the mall, request the mall security ask him to stop, or try to deny him his right to free speech by physical force or by communication.

 

[Sirk]

So your kid is pretending... you going along with it is not lying to your kid. It's harmless fantasy... I loved it as a child. Some people will still think it's taking away from Jesus, which I disagree with. However, I wasn't talking about your particular scenario, in fact, I have spoken out that if we make it clear what is fantasy and what isn't, it's okay to pretend. Many parents don't tell their kid it's pretend but that in reality, a big fat man wearing a suit literally travels the world on Dec. 24th and goes down the chimney delivering presents to good boys and girls. They make excuses for why they bear false witness.

It also wouldn't make the children a dummy for believing it... I mean, they are just believing the people in this world who love them the most... For this reason, it's important NOT to lie to them... yes, pretend and play with them, but don't lie to them is all I've been saying. =/

You don't even know what you're talking about. You have absolutely no idea what my kid is or isn't doing.

 

[Utah]

A man calls himself a pastor & video's himself doing something a true christian should have already done humbly & with love.

For me, this is the focal point of the entire story. There's no love coming from this pastor; no gentleness, tenderness or compassion; and don't anyone try feeding me any sanctimonious, patronizing garbage that it's tough love and that its long overdue in our society.

If any child I love was there and I saw their smiles turn into frowns of young despair, that "pastor" would have endured my complete and unadulterated fury which would have resulted in the loss of some of his bodily fluids.

I will decide when my little ones will know the true essence of Christ's birth, and I promise it will be early in life and to the fullest. In the meantime they'll enjoy the entire Santa mystique.

 

[Smoke]

You don't even know what you're talking about. You have absolutely no idea what my kid is or isn't doing.

For the record. My kid doesn't believe in Santa clause and he is 9. But he still asked me if we can leave out milk and cookies...,cuz he knows I'll get up and eat and drink and he'll wake up to a couple of extra gifts under the tree that have santas name on them.....he's no dummy.

If your son isn't a 9 year old kid who doesn't believe in Santa but still does some the fun stuff like leaving milk and cookies out knowing you'll give him a couple extra gifts (from Santa) then someone hacked you...

If you're just wanting to find a reason to disagree, have fun with that. Be more clear and/or clarify if there is something I don't understand. It's my understanding that your son DOESN'T believe in Santa... it's my understanding he does what many kids traditionally do by leaving out milk and cookies (knowing it's you who eats it and not Santa)... Now you're hypersensitive about what little I do know of your son... If you didn't want me to find common ground with what I'm saying to what you're saying about your son, why did you even bring him up in the first place?

 

[Smoke]

For me, this is the focal point of the entire story. There's no love coming from this pastor; no gentleness, tenderness or compassion; and don't anyone try feeding me any sanctimonious, patronizing garbage that it's tough love and that its long overdue in our society.

He's just not being PC about it... America elected Trump who is a founder of tell it like it is. Could Trump and this man deliver their message in a more loving way? Of course... but that isn't their calling card. They apparently think you have to be tactless to show you disagree with being PC. Nevertheless, a lot of what Trump has said is true just as what this man is saying is true.

If any child I love was there and I saw their smiles turn into frowns of young despair, that "pastor" would have endured my complete and unadulterated fury which would have resulted in the loss of some of his bodily fluids.

I'll make the safe place for you and them... We don't want anyone to be offended by the pastor's freedom of speech.

 

[Smoke]

I use to watch Rick Flair and Sting wrestle when I was a kid. I was a huge fan... I sort of caught on that wrestling was scripted... I wondered why they would hang out together when they weren't wrestling... Well, because they are friends... Knowing that the story lines were scripted didn't take away the fun I had from hearing the story lines or watching them wrestle... When I asked my parents if they were really upset with each other, they said no, it's just for entertainment. We can know the truth and still have fun...

 

[Sirk]

If your son isn't a 9 year old kid who doesn't believe in Santa but still does some the fun stuff like leaving milk and cookies out knowing you'll give him a couple extra gifts (from Santa) then someone hacked you...

If you're just wanting to find a reason to disagree, have fun with that. Be more clear and/or clarify if there is something I don't understand. It's my understanding that your son DOESN'T believe in Santa... it's my understanding he does what many kids traditionally do by leaving out milk and cookies (knowing it's you who eats it and not Santa)... Now you're hypersensitive about what little I do know of your son... If you didn't want me to find common ground with what I'm saying to what you're saying about your son, why did you even bring him up in the first place?

A normal person would ask what intentions are and not tell...ESP over an internet connection.

 

[Smoke]

A normal person would ask what intentions are and not tell...ESP over an internet connection.

His intentions? His intentions for doing Christmas traditions is of no relevance... the only thing relevant is that he knows the truth but he still has a lot of fun. That has been my entire point all along.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

I don't think this pastor is a bad guy or wrong for doing what he did. Everything he said was true. It just looks to me like the parents didn't like being busted in a lie. And that one guy was wrong for putting his hands on the pastor, even if he disagreed entirely with what the pastor was saying. Like what he said (or his approach) or not, that pastor was not a threat and he definitely wasn't cruel.

Those kids will be okay. (Some of them looked too daggone old to be believing in Santa Claus anyway...) If parents think their kids will be shattered to find out that Santa Claus isn't real, that means it's not just pretend to them, and that's the problem right there. Kids that know that they're just pretending won't be crushed and hurt when someone says Santa isn't real, because they'd know that already. If they don't know that, it's on their parents, and their parents put them in the position to be crushed by simple truth. Putting such a fragile, easily refuted (and false!) belief at the mercy of other people keeping quiet just seems irresponsible to me.

If the kids know it's pretend, this won't hurt them. And they should know.

 

[Sirk]

His intentions? His intentions for doing Christmas traditions is of no relevance... the only thing relevant is that he knows the truth but he still has a lot of fun. That has been my entire point all along.

If his intentions aren't relevant then why did you bring them up and tell me what they are?

 

[Utah]

He's just not being PC about it... America elected Trump who is a founder of tell it like it is. Could Trump and this man deliver their message in a more loving way? Of course... but that isn't their calling card. They apparently think you have to be tactless to show you disagree with being PC. Nevertheless, a lot of what Trump has said is true just as what this man is saying is true.

I'll make the safe place for you and them... We don't want anyone to be offended by the pastor's freedom of speech.

You're okay with children being spoken to directly in the same tone as adults when no infraction was committed by the child? You're actually trying to proclaim there are no cognitive or emotional differences in the ability to receive and compute information when comparing and contrasting children and adults?

I specifically said I don't want any sanctimonious garbage and that's exactly what smoke brings, and from the safety and protection of cyberspace anonymity, I might add.

 

[Smoke]

If his intentions aren't relevant then why did you bring them up and tell me what they are?

If I indirectly or directly said "His intentions are x, y, and z" then I apologize. It takes away from the point I've been making all along: We can pretend and not lie to our kids and they will still have fun.

 

[skipp]

I could care less about Santa Claus but I hate seeing this kind of horrible witness for Christ. I'm going to be un-PC and tell it like it is here. Reading about other things that this self described "pastor" has done he obviously likes to use shock tactics to get a lot of attention on himself. This kind of nonsense just screams, "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!" He'd have a better witness for Christ if he was more interested in getting people to look at God rather than himself.

 

[Smoke]

You're okay with children being spoken to directly in the same tone as adults when no infraction was committed by the child? You're actually trying to proclaim there are no cognitive or emotional differences in the ability to receive and compute information when comparing and contrasting children and adults?

Oh boy... this is why every kid gets a trophy even when they lose... We have to be careful not to tell them the truth... we need to shelter them... What the man did was unnecessary but to answer your question, yes... I'm okay with the man exercising his freedom of speech the way he did. Men and women died so he could do that... While you're here TYPING tough, men and women fought the good fight so that we could say what was on our mind, even if many people disagree.

I specifically said I don't want any sanctimonious garbage and that's exactly what smoke brings, and from the safety and protection of cyberspace anonymity, I might add.

No, you want a safe place... you want to be the tough guy who makes people's bodily fluids spill out because someone said something you don't like. This is the world we live in... trophies for all kids and safe places for people who don't like other people exercising their constitutional right.

You pretend to be this champion of kids and in the same breath want to teach them how to use physical violence which would be entirely illegal in this context.... simply because you disagree with what he has to say. And you call that garbage... pot meet kettle.

 

[Sirk]

Oh boy... this is why every kid gets a trophy even when they lose... We have to be careful not to tell them the truth... we need to shelter them... What the man did was unnecessary but to answer your question, yes... I'm okay with the man exercising his freedom of speech the way he did. Men and women died so he could do that... While you're here TYPING tough, men and women fought the good fight so that we could say what was on our mind, even if many people disagree.



No, you want a safe place... you want to be the tough guy who makes people's bodily fluids spill out because someone said something you don't like. This is the world we live in... trophies for all kids and safe places for people who don't like other people exercising their constitutional right.

You pretend to be this champion of kids and in the same breath want to teach them how to use physical violence which would be entirely illegal in this context.... simply because you disagree with what he has to say. And you call that garbage... pot meet kettle.

Sometimes the best truth you can tell a child is.....it is difficult for a child to understand and your only job is to be a kid and it isnt to worry or to fix anything.

The only thing we as the adults in our childrens lives should worry about is that our kids feel loved and valued.

I seriously would not let you teach my kid a sunday school class.....because you absolutely do not have a clue.

 

[Utah]

Oh boy... this is why every kid gets a trophy even when they lose... We have to be careful not to tell them the truth... we need to shelter them... What the man did was unnecessary but to answer your question, yes... I'm okay with the man exercising his freedom of speech the way he did. Men and women died so he could do that... While you're here TYPING tough, men and women fought the good fight so that we could say what was on our mind, even if many people disagree.



No, you want a safe place... you want to be the tough guy who makes people's bodily fluids spill out because someone said something you don't like. This is the world we live in... trophies for all kids and safe places for people who don't like other people exercising their constitutional right.

You pretend to be this champion of kids and in the same breath want to teach them how to use physical violence which would be entirely illegal in this context.... simply because you disagree with what he has to say. And you call that garbage... pot meet kettle.

You couldn't be more wrong when describing me. Safe places? Participation trophies? You're a hoot. And for the record, I'm a veteran who served honorably and I despise liberals whom you just described. Now let's see if you go tell mommy and daddy forum administrators that I called you a bad whittle name while exercising my freedom of speech.

 

[Utah]

I could care less about Santa Claus but I hate seeing this kind of horrible witness for Christ. I'm going to be un-PC and tell it like it is here. Reading about other things that this self described "pastor" has done he obviously likes to use shock tactics to get a lot of attention on himself. This kind of nonsense just screams, "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!" He'd have a better witness for Christ if he was more interested in getting people to look at God rather than himself.

He's a clanging symbol void of love.

 

[Smoke]

Sometimes the best truth you can tell a child is.....it is difficult for a child to understand and your only job is to be a kid and it isnt to worry or to fix anything.

The only thing we as the adults in our childrens lives should worry about is that our kids feel loved and valued.

I seriously would not let you teach my kid a sunday school class.....because you absolutely do not have a clue.

It isn't difficult to tell the truth, but it is incredibly difficult to explain why you lied to your child. Most kids are resilient and can come out just fine after being lied to for years... however, it doesn't make bearing false witness acceptable.

I don't even know what you're objecting to about what I've said... Do you think it's wrong to tell your children the truth but to go ahead and pretend? What is to disagree with me about?

 

[Utah]

I seriously would not let you teach my kid a sunday school class.....because you absolutely do not have a clue.

So you'd deny him his freedom of speech in your congregation.

Youre a bad man!