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wanderer6059

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Angela gave Bible in the beginning of this. She's been talking bible most of the way. Since you can't counter, you go for history of some men? Yup. About the only thing you can do when avoiding God.
can you read... i was speaking to Lauren about her clams of plagiarism by Hagin.

nothing to do with biblical context, nothing to do with Angela....

read much?
 

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faith is definately from God

but WOF tries to make faith a work of mankind

and that is another thing you WOFers do...you try to say we are against faith...your friend in the other thread made the same accusation

without faith it is impossible to please God...but those who come to Him, must have faith that HE is...not faith in WOF or words or silly little men like Kenyon and Hagin who twist what faith is and make it all about themselves and people with itching ears eat it up and spread it

and then brag about how smart they are...as you just did

shall I call you a fool then? because that is what scripture will state a person is when they brag...remember, I am not calling you a fool

I am pointing out to you the fallacy of your words according to scripture
never said you were against it, just you had a shallow view of it. and WoF only stands on what the bible says God will do, not man says he will or will not do. and they really don't make it about them selfs, heck Hagin was known more of those close to him for his love walk than faith. and i dodn't brag about how smart i am, just that i was smarter than you think i am... and good thing you don't lol i think there might be a communication problem on your end you must not understand or maybe you cant reason with what i say. but hey

6 [FONT=&quot]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that [/FONT][FONT=&quot]he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

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[FONT=&quot][/FONT]you forget half of verses that talk of his good measure.

Note the difference of the verb: not simply exists, but comes to pass as; proves to be, habitually, so that he who approaches God has, through faith, the assurance that his seeking God will result in good to himself. Μισθαποδότης rewarder, N.T.o. Comp. μισθαποδοσία recompense of reward,

Rewarder=one who pays wages *context*

so yeah, you are pointing something out, i am pretty sure its not what you think it is.
 

bluto

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straight from kenyons site
So what? How does this statement, "If Kenyon himself wouldn’t be bothered about it all, why should anyone else?" justify hagin plagerizing kenyon's work word for word the right thing to do? It goes the character of the man wanderer. Besides, look what Hillary Clinton did that put our country at risk and what did she say? "I made a mistake and I'm sorry."

Hagin never said he was sorry or that he made a mistake or even come close to admitting his plagerizing. Remember I said for the sake of argument "let's throw out hagin's prosperty message?" Ok, let's throw out his plagerizing problem, what else is there about the man you want to "cover" for? You want me to tell you? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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So what? How does this statement, "If Kenyon himself wouldn’t be bothered about it all, why should anyone else?" justify hagin plagerizing kenyon's work word for word the right thing to do? It goes the character of the man wanderer. Besides, look what Hillary Clinton did that put our country at risk and what did she say? "I made a mistake and I'm sorry."

Hagin never said he was sorry or that he made a mistake or even come close to admitting his plagerizing. Remember I said for the sake of argument "let's throw out hagin's prosperty message?" Ok, let's throw out his plagerizing problem, what else is there about the man you want to "cover" for? You want me to tell you? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto


if you would read the whole link you would see, Kenyons own family posted that and justified Hagin with there own words... and yes if he is speaking on a sermon about one of his book, and crediting him. they have a partnership relationship now. his books and name are used at my school all the time. and again if you read you will see what Kenyons own family said. and ok lets throw another thing out the window you have gotten wrong! how many more times do you want to do this Bluto... what else are you gonna accuse him of that im gonna show the truth in....

and go ahead and say anything Bluto, i got the truth with me, i got love with me. you have nothing but some built up bitterness towards the man, and all the lies you hold on to. bring them, i'll break them all.
 

bluto

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if you would read the whole link you would see, Kenyons own family posted that and justified Hagin with there own words... and yes if he is speaking on a sermon about one of his book, and crediting him. they have a partnership relationship now. his books and name are used at my school all the time. and again if you read you will see what Kenyons own family said. and ok lets throw another thing out the window you have gotten wrong! how many more times do you want to do this Bluto... what else are you gonna accuse him of that im gonna show the truth in....

and go ahead and say anything Bluto, i got the truth with me, i got love with me. you have nothing but some built up bitterness towards the man, and all the lies you hold on to. bring them, i'll break them all.
First of all wanderer, I did read the full link. Second of all, I want to back track to what you said in your original thread.

"whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,"

I would like to know why you posted this in the first place? Why is it that you want to "confirm WOF teaching" to us and clear up any misconceptions that might be out there?" Who told you there are misconceptions out there about wof teachings? And how do you know all of these misconceptions are false and in your opinion baseless.

Yes, I posted what I know about wof and so did some others of us that were actuall wof'ers but got out. I also told you I was never wof but was very familar with it's teachings since the very early 1980's. In fact, when we lived in Southeren California I (and others who were more knowledgable than me) were on this main Christian radio station in those days known as KKLA. In fact, it is still on today. We were on from Midnight till 2:00am in the morning exclusively dealing with wof issues from any teacher/preacher you could name including those that appeared on TBN.

If I remember correctly we had visitors on there such as Michael Horton, John Stewart, Craig Hawkins from CRI and other Pastors and teachers including I think Dave Hunt. Why do you think I'm saying all of this? Do you really think I and everybody else (from those early days till now) have some sort of "hidden" agenda?

The fact of the matter is we all care and we are obligated by God's word to confront false teachings in whatever form it may take. You may not like it, (which I know you don't) but those are the facts. And don't think I did not notice how when we started talking about wof I mentioned people like kenneth copeland and you said, "well I don't follow him." You kept the conversation strickly on kenneth hagin in spite of the fact your opening thread said, "misconceptions about wof."

There's a song called "Love and Marriage," you can't have one without the other. Well, in wof you can't have hagin without the others. They are all tied together by the same umbillical cord. And they all have a common thread in what they say. That is they mix truth with their error to make appear orthodox. That is why it is so important to pay attention to every single word that is said and how the words are used in their context.

Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ personally visited him in visions on various occasions. Can you please tell me how you would know whether or not his visions are true? How would you test them? In fact, how would test anybody that says that Jesus Christ appeared to them? You should know, that some of us here really do care! :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

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Now compare the verse you quoted with laughing to the point of falling down drunk on it and barking like dogs. Really? Is that righteousness, peace, and joy? Nah!
I said nothing about falling down drunk and barking like dogs. You have actually witnessed this yourself?
 
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and go ahead and say anything Bluto, i got the truth with me, i got love with me. you have nothing but some built up bitterness towards the man, and all the lies you hold on to. bring them, i'll break them all.
Spoken with true arrogance. So is this:

"whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,"
That was a polite way to say "I thought it would be nice if I told you how wrong you are."

All I see here is a troll. Anybody could have searched the internet & presented this.

WOF is trash, absolute garbage. You knew you would trigger a fight.:rolleyes:
 
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i have posted and given my rebuttal, i wait for a response to my postings proving there fault. i have not once said i was higher than any of my brotheres or sisters in Christ. but i do deserve the same response i originally gave them, not some brush off. and it really doesn't indicate that... i don't know how you could logically think that, so you must be confused. and i'm not a teacher yet. oh and 7:1-6

you sound more like your own pro bono lawyer then someone who is studying to be a pastor of WOF

what you deserve is what we all deserve here from people who are supposed to be Christians

you have not provided that to others, but you sure know how to take offence and come off sounding like an injured party

did you actually think that people are ignorant of where Hagin got his teachings from?

welcome to the real world...where real facts are given and the classroom of WOF where everyone but WOF preachers are wrong
 
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Amen, if it were true then the Holy Ghost would be the most plagiarized author in all existence.

utter nonsense

this, is from your profile regarding when you were saved:

when i was born but i didn't know till 2010

maybe you could explain that...seems you have been saved 6 years...no one is saved from birth..of course you can explain that because no one would like to draw unsubstantiated conclusions

stating God knew us before we were born does not mean saved from birth

and by the way? excusing the plagerism of Hagin by saying the Spirit of God is plagiarized is beyond nonsensical...:rolleyes:
 
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can you read... i was speaking to Lauren about her clams of plagiarism by Hagin.

nothing to do with biblical context, nothing to do with Angela....

read much?
Stick to topic much? Yeah. I did keep up, until recently. This post, (unlike so many on BDF), had purpose. You've been pulling it off purpose for so long, I don't remember what your purpose is.

Sort of like people talking about chairs, and you want to make sure everyone is talking about the three-legged, high-back, pine with rush-seat dyed-indigo 42 years ago but worn with age, particularly on the right arm, eagles' clawed, of course, chair. And if everyone isn't particularly focused on that chair, then obviously everyone is wrong.

But, this was about chairs, not your particular personal take on what a chair ought to be.
 
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I said nothing about falling down drunk and barking like dogs. You have actually witnessed this yourself?
Been on the Internet since 1994. They've got videos for what was (is?) "The Toronto Blessing."

(Sorry for that Angela, but at least it's nice to know the States don't make all the bozo moves. lol)
 

wanderer6059

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you sound more like your own pro bono lawyer then someone who is studying to be a pastor of WOF

what you deserve is what we all deserve here from people who are supposed to be Christians

you have not provided that to others, but you sure know how to take offence and come off sounding like an injured party

did you actually think that people are ignorant of where Hagin got his teachings from?

welcome to the real world...where real facts are given and the classroom of WOF where everyone but WOF preachers are wrong
a lawyer that's smarter than you thought, go back to post 902 and try and respond if you can....

i have given more proof that you can see in your narrow gaze, sister.

no i didn't, but i thought many like your self cant understand truth so you slight it...

yes welcome to the real world sister, where a 28 year old show you up, go back to #902
 

wanderer6059

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Stick to topic much? Yeah. I did keep up, until recently. This post, (unlike so many on BDF), had purpose. You've been pulling it off purpose for so long, I don't remember what your purpose is.

Sort of like people talking about chairs, and you want to make sure everyone is talking about the three-legged, high-back, pine with rush-seat dyed-indigo 42 years ago but worn with age, particularly on the right arm, eagles' clawed, of course, chair. And if everyone isn't particularly focused on that chair, then obviously everyone is wrong.

But, this was about chairs, not your particular personal take on what a chair ought to be.
idk ask Lauren she is the one who went off....

and yeah i know the purpose, i'm on it, ive posted it, and then people dodge what i said by going off topic.
 

wanderer6059

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utter nonsense

this, is from your profile regarding when you were saved:

when i was born but i didn't know till 2010

maybe you could explain that...seems you have been saved 6 years...no one is saved from birth..of course you can explain that because no one would like to draw unsubstantiated conclusions

stating God knew us before we were born does not mean saved from birth

and by the way? excusing the plagerism of Hagin by saying the Spirit of God is plagiarized is beyond nonsensical...:rolleyes:
every post you make is utter nonsense....

He knew me, He died for me, my salvation was won and gained 2017 years ago on a cross, i just had to see it was and receive it.

know but salvation was won for all before we were born, we just have to realize we already have the gift that was paid for with His blood.

and btw you can accuse him of plagiarizing all you want. but when the person he was and the ministry he represents says, he didn't. you look unintelligent.
 

wanderer6059

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Spoken with true arrogance. So is this:


That was a polite way to say "I thought it would be nice if I told you how wrong you are."

All I see here is a troll. Anybody could have searched the internet & presented this.

WOF is trash, absolute garbage. You knew you would trigger a fight.:rolleyes:
wow amazing post, so much insightful context... and no i didn't maybe i thought a group of 40+ men and women could talk and discuss things maturely....
 
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Gee, U guys can't get enuff of trolls, or what? Better quit before G777 calls you "troll hunters", LOL!:p
 

bluto

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First of all wanderer, I did read the full link. Second of all, I want to back track to what you said in your original thread.

"whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,"

I would like to know why you posted this in the first place? Why is it that you want to "confirm WOF teaching" to us and clear up any misconceptions that might be out there?" Who told you there are misconceptions out there about wof teachings? And how do you know all of these misconceptions are false and in your opinion baseless.

Yes, I posted what I know about wof and so did some others of us that were actuall wof'ers but got out. I also told you I was never wof but was very familar with it's teachings since the very early 1980's. In fact, when we lived in Southeren California I (and others who were more knowledgable than me) were on this main Christian radio station in those days known as KKLA. In fact, it is still on today. We were on from Midnight till 2:00am in the morning exclusively dealing with wof issues from any teacher/preacher you could name including those that appeared on TBN.

If I remember correctly we had visitors on there such as Michael Horton, John Stewart, Craig Hawkins from CRI and other Pastors and teachers including I think Dave Hunt. Why do you think I'm saying all of this? Do you really think I and everybody else (from those early days till now) have some sort of "hidden" agenda?

The fact of the matter is we all care and we are obligated by God's word to confront false teachings in whatever form it may take. You may not like it, (which I know you don't) but those are the facts. And don't think I did not notice how when we started talking about wof I mentioned people like kenneth copeland and you said, "well I don't follow him." You kept the conversation strickly on kenneth hagin in spite of the fact your opening thread said, "misconceptions about wof."

There's a song called "Love and Marriage," you can't have one without the other. Well, in wof you can't have hagin without the others. They are all tied together by the same umbillical cord. And they all have a common thread in what they say. That is they mix truth with their error to make appear orthodox. That is why it is so important to pay attention to every single word that is said and how the words are used in their context.

Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ personally visited him in visions on various occasions. Can you please tell me how you would know whether or not his visions are true? How would you test them? In fact, how would test anybody that says that Jesus Christ appeared to them? You should know, that some of us here really do care! :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Bumped for wandwerer!
 

wanderer6059

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First of all wanderer, I did read the full link. Second of all, I want to back track to what you said in your original thread.
and lets remember that link proved you wrong, now moving on.


I would like to know why you posted this in the first place? Why is it that you want to "confirm WOF teaching" to us and clear up any misconceptions that might be out there?" Who told you there are misconceptions out there about wof teachings? And how do you know all of these misconceptions are false and in your opinion baseless.

i posted it because i ran into a few people who were hurt by the Wof, and when i talked with them, how they were hurt was not what i was taught. when i talked with them, and explained what was really taught and the views the way they were, they saw it wasn't what they thought it was. so i thought i would do it here to, but instead of listening and actually giving me a chance to give my peace, i was shot down.


Yes, I posted what I know about wof and so did some others of us that were actuall wof'ers but got out. I also told you I was never wof but was very familar with it's teachings since the very early 1980's. In fact, when we lived in Southeren California I (and others who were more knowledgable than me) were on this main Christian radio station in those days known as KKLA. In fact, it is still on today. We were on from Midnight till 2:00am in the morning exclusively dealing with wof issues from any teacher/preacher you could name including those that appeared on TBN.

If I remember correctly we had visitors on there such as Michael Horton, John Stewart, Craig Hawkins from CRI and other Pastors and teachers including I think Dave Hunt. Why do you think I'm saying all of this? Do you really think I and everybody else (from those early days till now) have some sort of "hidden" agenda?
ok let me ask you this, what is the main points of WoF teaching? if you were so well versed what are they?

and BTW i've proved that you have been wrong about a few things you thought were right about WoF, like above. do you think you could be wrong about them in other ways?



The fact of the matter is we all care and we are obligated by God's word to confront false teachings in whatever form it may take. You may not like it, (which I know you don't) but those are the facts. And don't think I did not notice how when we started talking about wof I mentioned people like kenneth copeland and you said, "well I don't follow him." You kept the conversation strickly on kenneth hagin in spite of the fact your opening thread said, "misconceptions about wof."

There's a song called "Love and Marriage," you can't have one without the other. Well, in wof you can't have hagin without the others. They are all tied together by the same umbillical cord. And they all have a common thread in what they say. That is they mix truth with their error to make appear orthodox. That is why it is so important to pay attention to every single word that is said and how the words are used in their context.
ok so what makes you right and them wrong, tell me, show me the context. and yes you can have one without the other, i proved that in your prove all things thread lol whats the unbiblical cord you think there is? name it. not once have you tried with your own word to discredit the Wof teachings... can you do you have the mind for it?




Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ personally visited him in visions on various occasions. Can you please tell me how you would know whether or not his visions are true? How would you test them? In fact, how would test anybody that says that Jesus Christ appeared to them? You should know, that some of us here really do care! :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
you can tell by it if the visions and what is taught after line up with the word of God(prove all things again) and if you test what Christ said to him in the visions, its nothing new, its just the word of God. then you see the fruit they produce, tell me did you see any great scandals from the man, every one who knew him spoke of his love for people, and his love for God and His word. tell me, what did he preach that was evil, or diabolic? he taught people to live in the abundant life God has for them! and i say that because i really care for you to, i'm not saying God wants everyone to be a millionaire or have a benz, but He doesn't want you to struggle through life ALL the time, He loves so much that His blessings are both spiritual and physical. in THIS life and the NEXT!
 

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Gee, U guys can't get enuff of trolls, or what? Better quit before G777 calls you "troll hunters", LOL!:p
do you even know what a troll is lol because by definition that's what you are old man ;)
 
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if you don't believe jesus saves, you are not forgiven. if you don't believe in healing today, you won't be healed(atleast on the supernatural side, modern medicine will still do its part.) and Malcus was healed in the corporate faith, not by his personal faith, same with the man at the Pool of Bethesda.
I should probably read through the whole thread before I comment, but...you guys know I can't shut up so - I haven't heard anyone say they don't believe in healing. From what I've read, they all do believe in healing, they just don't believe it's always. And I think they DO believe it requires faith, because that's what we see in the gospels.