"replacement theology" - what is it?

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This is a testimony of no matter how real and true the holocaust that hatred still survives
despite the truth. Hatred is self delusion, it possess the soul like a slave and there is no
rational argument you can use against it.

The reason people quote these individuals is because despite the reality, they want the
world to be something it is not.

Emotions define our reality, peace, love, empathy, hatred, bitterness.

Corrie Ten Boom was in a concentration camp and after the war met a soldier who had come
to Christ and she had to forgive them. Now if this was one insane man, that would be hard, but
this was millions of people, just like you, filled with hatred that defines what they accept as truth
and what they accept lies.

And if these people who hate so deeply, wanted to look at the truth, it is there.
And the numbers of the holocaust are just a small part of the massacre executed by the Nazis.
The major killing was of the Slavs. It is why there is no mercy after the war between the Russians
and the Germans. Whole groups of the army feared to surrender to the Russians because they knew
there would be no mercy only death.

This is why when you face a group full of hatred like this, any christian response should be to distance
themselves from these people. The reality is whatever they did, it was far worse than we can imagine,
and if you read about North Korea, it is happening there as well but even worse.

So do you see, the problem is not about the Jews but about hatred, blaming another for the sin and
failure within.

But I know you do not want to see this truth, because hatred dwells within you.
Repent to save your soul, or hatred will continue to rule you.
You need to stop accusing me of hating Jews. I don't hate Jews!
 

trofimus

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Let us get back to Bible and let WWII, hatred and racism behind.

I think that KJV1611 had a good question, did somebody respond?

"Can you guys explain what this verse means.

Romans 9:8 KJV
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. "
 

trofimus

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Is there some kind of historical evidence about China?
Look for example at this video.
He is talking about how the old Chinese alphabet shows the biblical stories and then concludes (48 minute of the video) that the original Chinese religion was monotheism and the worship of the true God.

[video=youtube;DA-AkJzpKmg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA-AkJzpKmg[/video]
 
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I came to this website looking for understanding and I find some very strange views being expressed.

I never knew this kind of strange "American Christianity" before.

It is very strange.

These people shout a lot and make lots of noise, and then these other people try to discuss some matter and the other people come in shouting and accusing all the time.

This is not the way of the Church my little sheep.

In my country we are very reverend and respectful.

I am sorry, but if you shout and accuse like this in our Church, you will not be accepted.

Yes you can disagree, but you people act like it is a war, and by military force you win your argument.
 
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Let us get back to Bible and let WWII, hatred and racism behind.

I think that KJV1611 had a good question, did somebody respond?
DesertRose did but in her argument FOR the children of the flesh NOT being God's chosen people she said God still has a plan for his chosen nation (flesh Jews).... Go figure that one.
 
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I came to this website looking for understanding and I find some very strange views being expressed.

I never knew this kind of strange "American Christianity" before.

It is very strange.

These people shout a lot and make lots of noise, and then these other people try to discuss some matter and the other people come in shouting and accusing all the time.

This is not the way of the Church my little sheep.

In my country we are very reverend and respectful.

I am sorry, but if you shout and accuse like this in our Church, you will not be accepted.

Yes you can disagree, but you people act like it is a war, and by military force you win your argument.
We're not your little sheep.
 
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Tintin

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Look for example at this video.
He is talking about how the old Chinese alphabet shows the biblical stories and then concludes (48 minute of the video) that the original Chinese religion was monotheism and the worship of the true God.

[video=youtube;DA-AkJzpKmg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA-AkJzpKmg[/video]
Also, this excellent and most fascinating book provides ample evidence for the ancient Chinese originally worshipping the one, true God of the Bible:

"Faith of Our Fathers: God in Ancient China"

Faith Of Our Fathers
 
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Does the bible teach us anywhere that a people estranged from God have our Fathers guidance and blessing in any undertaken endeavour ? Anywhere ? Dispensational theology teaches as much. It places restoration before repentance in regards to Israel, the nation. This is contrary to every requirement God has placed on mankind throughout all of creation. And it is also how we know that today's nation of Israel is not a biblical fulfillment of prophecy. Some will say that one day "all Israel will be saved". Yet, we all know that only a remnant will be lead unto repentance. How do you then reconcile the two ? You can't. This post is not an indictment against the Jews. Remember that it was God Himself that brought on the complete destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., as Jesus had told them He would. Politics and world organizations do not dictate the hand of God. On the contrary. He may well use them for His purpose. But for what purpose ? One that is contrary to our "God that never changes" ... except in this case ? Dispensational theology can only work under such conditions. And it is in grave error. Today's Jews, wherever they may be are welcomed into God's Kingdom in Christ in the same manner as us Gentiles. Repentance and faith by God's grace ... period. Not through a regathering into any land anywhere. God's people look for that city whose founder and builder is God ... the heavenly Jerusalem that is above. And He is not ashamed to call them His own. How incredible is that ?
 
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It is an old Bagandan proverb:

A united family eats from the same plate.
 
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Back round the circle,feel like Im on a playground.The Jews are now blinded. They are not saved. Many are even atheists. Because they are blinded. Romans 11
Are those blind individuals saved because they are Jewish?
 

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Romans 9:8 Does NOT mean that the Children of the Flesh and the Children of the promise are always mutually exclusive. In fact, ALL of the early Church were composed of both. Here in Isaiah we see that the Lord will gather His people a SECOND time: Isaiah 11:11- 1 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.


The fact that Israel today is a mix of atheists and extreme legalists does NOT change God's promise that a remnant of BOTH the flesh AND the Promise will be saved and inhabit the Land Promised to Abraham's seed.

God has used the wicked to punish, judge, test, and correct Israel all through history, and He continues to do that today. But those whom He used to judge Israel never fare too well themselves. So The real question is, knowing that God will bless those that bless them, and curse those who curse them, and even David would not DARE to touch God's annointed, Saul, and used the wicked Philistines instead to judge Saul, why would YOU want to be a part of the wicked that God uses to judge and correct Israel?

Instead, why not love them, pray for them, and continue to preach the Gospel to them, and let the Lord worry about correcting their folly?
 
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she is back to her old self, saying i have brain damage, to paranoid of everyone and everything and lazy cause i havent fixed her roof and the water leaks on her pretty lil head in the laundry room.

Awww thats too bad. I hope you all make up. Some ladies need a bit more attention then others I guess. You could hire someone to do the roof. :)
 
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Are those blind individuals saved because they are Jewish?
They aren't saved yet brother,they will be at a future time according to Romans because that is Gods plan.
 
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Does the bible teach us anywhere that a people estranged from God have our Fathers guidance and blessing in any undertaken endeavour ? Anywhere ? Dispensational theology teaches as much. It places restoration before repentance in regards to Israel, the nation. This is contrary to every requirement God has placed on mankind throughout all of creation. And it is also how we know that today's nation of Israel is not a biblical fulfillment of prophecy. Some will say that one day "all Israel will be saved". Yet, we all know that only a remnant will be lead unto repentance. How do you then reconcile the two ? You can't. This post is not an indictment against the Jews. Remember that it was God Himself that brought on the complete destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., as Jesus had told them He would. Politics and world organizations do not dictate the hand of God. On the contrary. He may well use them for His purpose. But for what purpose ? One that is contrary to our "God that never changes" ... except in this case ? Dispensational theology can only work under such conditions. And it is in grave error. Today's Jews, wherever they may be are welcomed into God's Kingdom in Christ in the same manner as us Gentiles. Repentance and faith by God's grace ... period. Not through a regathering into any land anywhere. God's people look for that city whose founder and builder is God ... the heavenly Jerusalem that is above. And He is not ashamed to call them His own. How incredible is that ?
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Romans 9:8 Does NOT mean that the Children of the Flesh and the Children of the promise are always mutually exclusive. In fact, ALL of the early Church were composed of both. Here in Isaiah we see that the Lord will gather His people a SECOND time: Isaiah 11:11- 1 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.


The fact that Israel today is a mix of atheists and extreme legalists does NOT change God's promise that a remnant of BOTH the flesh AND the Promise will be saved and inhabit the Land Promised to Abraham's seed.

God has used the wicked to punish, judge, test, and correct Israel all through history, and He continues to do that today. But those whom He used to judge Israel never fare too well themselves. So The real question is, knowing that God will bless those that bless them, and curse those who curse them, and even David would not DARE to touch God's annointed, Saul, and used the wicked Philistines instead to judge Saul, why would YOU want to be a part of the wicked that God uses to judge and correct Israel?

Instead, why not love them, pray for them, and continue to preach the Gospel to them, and let the Lord worry about correcting their folly?
The children of the flesh were never a part of the early church ... or any church. Only the children of the promise were ... unless you believe that only the gentiles were the children of the promise ? The earliest Christians were Jews. Does that not make them children of the promise as well ? ALL the children of the promise will be saved. That's why they're called the children of the promise. God promised. And they are the seed of Abraham.
 
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Romans 9:8 Does NOT mean that the Children of the Flesh and the Children of the promise are always mutually exclusive. In fact, ALL of the early Church were composed of both. Here in Isaiah we see that the Lord will gather His people a SECOND time: Isaiah 11:11- 1 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.


The fact that Israel today is a mix of atheists and extreme legalists does NOT change God's promise that a remnant of BOTH the flesh AND the Promise will be saved and inhabit the Land Promised to Abraham's seed.

God has used the wicked to punish, judge, test, and correct Israel all through history, and He continues to do that today. But those whom He used to judge Israel never fare too well themselves. So The real question is, knowing that God will bless those that bless them, and curse those who curse them, and even David would not DARE to touch God's annointed, Saul, and used the wicked Philistines instead to judge Saul, why would YOU want to be a part of the wicked that God uses to judge and correct Israel?

Instead, why not love them, pray for them, and continue to preach the Gospel to them, and let the Lord worry about correcting their folly?
David wouldn't touch Saul because Saul was annointed by God to be the ruler over Israel. This has nothing to do with Saul being a Jew. David wasn't going to kill THE MAN that God annointed as ruler over Israel. Does that make sense?
 

tanakh

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Romans 9:8 Does NOT mean that the Children of the Flesh and the Children of the promise are always mutually exclusive. In fact, ALL of the early Church were composed of both. Here in Isaiah we see that the Lord will gather His people a SECOND time: Isaiah 11:11- 1 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.


The fact that Israel today is a mix of atheists and extreme legalists does NOT change God's promise that a remnant of BOTH the flesh AND the Promise will be saved and inhabit the Land Promised to Abraham's seed.

God has used the wicked to punish, judge, test, and correct Israel all through history, and He continues to do that today. But those whom He used to judge Israel never fare too well themselves. So The real question is, knowing that God will bless those that bless them, and curse those who curse them, and even David would not DARE to touch God's annointed, Saul, and used the wicked Philistines instead to judge Saul, why would YOU want to be a part of the wicked that God uses to judge and correct Israel?

Instead, why not love them, pray for them, and continue to preach the Gospel to them, and let the Lord worry about correcting their folly?
It would be wonderful to preach the Gospel in Israel but the Government there wont allow it. The Christian organisations that are there are welcome to supply material benefits and cash on the understanding that they wont proselytize. There are Christian Churches but most of the members are Palestinian and are generally ignored by the Western Church
The majority of the worlds Jewry live outside Israel. The largest population live in the USA so there plenty of opportunities to share the Gospel with them. If the state of Israel is part of Gods Plan it is strange that after sixty eight years most Jewish people are content to stay outside of it, especially when Israel has given any genuine Jew free citizenship. The seed of Abraham was and is Jesus. The whole point of Israel was to prepared the world for his coming.
 

trofimus

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They aren't saved yet brother,they will be at a future time according to Romans because that is Gods plan.
You mean the individuals who are Jewish and blind and die today will be saved in a future?

Or only Jews living in the future and believing in Christ will be saved? But in such case you are saying nothing more then what we do - only the believer in Christ will be saved, Jew or not.
 
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Christians will always defend and support Israel because of it's historical and biblical significance.
Which biblical significance. That they were used a shadows and types in ceremonial laws that as parables preached the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand until the time reformation?

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.Heb 9:8

Do we pretend the reformation has not come? Do we sew up the rent veil that indicates he did come?

What time period do you think it was restored to?

Was there outward representative that could be seen outwardly as to the time of reformation? Or did God reign from heaven as King of kings and the apostate Jews should not of demanded a outward fleshly presence like the pagan nation they became jealous of and no longer wanted to walk by faith (the unseen) and that is why they rejected God as King.?

I think it was restored to the period of Judges. No more shadows and types .The veil was rent. The Jews are still looking for a fleshy Jesus so that they can continue to walk by sight. They are still hoping He will destroy the Gentiles when He appears which he will not. One demonstration is all he promised.

It was the time of Jacobs trouble when a Jew no longer was needed as a sign and wonder as shadows and types .A tribulation that the Jews have never experienced looking for someone to put their faith in and there is none. ..