"replacement theology" - what is it?

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I suppose then the obvious question then is what do these verses actually mean?

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.



 
eternally-gratefull said:
3000 out of a great city of what?

please zone..

The prophesy says the city, it says every family.

3000 does not make a city or even every family..

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the land shall mourn, every family by itself:

Sorry, This is way more than 3000 souls out of a whole city.
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why do you insist it has to be way more?
nothing in that passage says every single family in Israel.
it doesn't even say most.
absolutely consistent with the scriptures which tell us it's always a remnant that will be saved.
 
Spurgeoncy said:
Because that is what Paul says.

"What will their acceptance be but life from the dead."

They will accept Christ after this life.
They were really set aside for a particular purpose.

Christ is the firstfruits of the dead, so Paul is really saying that everyone will be brought back to life...
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so you believe in universalism.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
See there you go twisting again.

It did not say they had to IT SAID THEY WILL.

see how just changing a few words makes it say something else? Of course it did not say it has to. ]
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please post the exact passages that specify it will be the entire city of Jerusalem.
let's start there.
 
Spurgeoncy said:
I suppose then the obvious question then is what do these verses actually mean?

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
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what it does not mean is that unsaved jews who died in an unsaved state will get somehow saved in the afterlife.
 
zone said:
why do you insist it has to be way more?
nothing in that passage says every single family in Israel.
it doesn't even say most.
absolutely consistent with the scriptures which tell us it's always a remnant that will be saved.
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I city means a city. Not a few people.

A prophesy is there for the world to witness, It is proof the God is the true God. So when the WORLD sees the CITY repent. It will affect the whole world. It is for everyones benefit. Not just Israels.

That's the part you are not getting right. You think it is just for them, It never was just for them. Get that out of your thinking, and you may finally see what I see.

why are you INSISTING a few people. who do not even represent the city, is the interpretation?

That's what I call drawing on straws. or trying to make something true when it is not there.
 
eternally-gratefull said:

what it does not mean is that unsaved jews who died in an unsaved state will get somehow saved in the afterlife.
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1 Corinthians 15 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Jesus is the first resurrected from the dead. If the firstfruit, Jesus, is holy (set apart for God), then the lump (all dead) are holy.

All the dead matter to God.
 
zone said:
please post the exact passages that specify it will be the entire city of Jerusalem.
let's start there.
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I did. many times over,

It said city, Every family, All the families of all these houses.

What more can one say to get you to see, ALL means ALL??

If you do not want to see it, No matter what I post. you will not see it.
 
dcontroversal said:
I hear ya.....chunk context, disregard words, verb tense, definitions, history etc.........
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All does not mean all. And eternal does not mean eternal.

We can just make it say whatever we want..

Satans greatest tactic
 
Spurgeoncy said:

1 Corinthians 15 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Jesus is the first resurrected from the dead. If the firstfruit, Jesus, is holy (set apart for God), then the lump (all dead) are holy.

All the dead matter to God.
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You are a universalist.

Nice knowing you.
 
Spurgeoncy said:
Because that is what Paul says.

"What will their acceptance be but life from the dead."

They will accept Christ after this life.
They were really set aside for a particular purpose.

Christ is the firstfruits of the dead, so Paul is really saying that everyone will be brought back to life...
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Not all Jews are saved,for some were disobedient,and whatever state a person dies in there is no reversal after that.If they die sins forgiven,they shall have eternal life,and if they have sins on their record,they will be separated from God for eternity.

People cannot be saved in the afterlife if they have sins on their record.Even people that claim Christ but had sins in their life that they did not get rid of will not make it,which Jesus said not all who say Lord,Lord,will be able to dwell with Jesus,but they will say why not,and Jesus will say because you were workers of iniquity,which they thought it was alright to have sins in their life,but be right with God.

Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

The Bible says those that die with sins on their record are twice dead,physically and spiritually,there is no reversal in this case even if they are a Jew.

Jesus told the Jews who were not right,and did not accept Him,how can they escape the damnation of hell.
 
oh PLEASE

read the Bible.

1 Corinthians 5
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 
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