"replacement theology" - what is it?

[trofimus]

How about support every one of them, Love every one of them, As God demands, Whether they are in sin or not?

I mean politically.

EU is mostly supporting the Palestine, US are supporting Israel. Its quite balanced

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I mean politically.

EU is mostly supporting the Palestine, US are supporting Israel. Its quite balanced

I would not say the US was supporting Israel the past 8 years. Now that may change here on Jan 20th..lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In Isaac shall thy seed be called

The seed is called Israel btw

Isaac had two sons, Jacob and Esau

Jacob got the promise

Jacob was renamed Israel

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

SO ISRAEL = CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE

ESAU = CHILDREN OF THE FLESH

I would have to twist what Paul said, and read so much into it that I make paul say something I see no where else in the passage (context) that he was saying this.

Again, If you want to do that, feel free. I can not of a clean conscious do that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I learn all kinds of neat stuff in these conversations. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I do this for my benefit and hopefully someone will see the truth. Only God can heal the blind, I cant.

then maybe find one of the many other threads already opened on the subject and re-open that one. Why bother opening another can of worms especially by a person who is known to be quite angry and judgmental against people who do not hold your view..

Maybe we need a NON BIASED person to open the thread.

Oh wait, that would just get hijacked too

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Esau represents flesh Israel and Israel represents spiritual israel.

two nation are in your womb.

The older will serve the younger.

Hate to say it, but if Jacob represents spiritual Israel. When has the older ever served the church? How is it serving the church today? (maybe thats why rome figured it had the power to enslave all people and force them to christianity?)

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Jesus loved parables.

What's not to love?

pará - "close beside with"

bállō - "to cast"

parabolḗ – a parable; a teaching aid cast alongside the truth being taught. This casts additional light by using an arresting or familiar analogy, (which is often fictitious or metaphorical, but not necessarily).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus loved parables.

What's not to love?

pará - "close beside with"

bállō - "to cast"

parabolḗ – a parable; a teaching aid cast alongside the truth being taught. This casts additional light by using an arresting or familiar analogy, (which is often fictitious or metaphorical, but not necessarily).

Paul is not jesus. And he was not speaking in parables.

Parables have a place. Notice how jesus always took the disciples (church) aside, and explaned to them what it meant. A parable must be explained in context. If there is no explanation, It is not a parable.

Jesus also spoke to a group of people. Many who did not believe, He spoke in parables so they(the unbeliever) would not see truth.. then took the believers aside and explained to them what it meant.

Paul spoke to a church of believers, there is no need for paul to speak in parables. he was not tryign to hide anything from anyone. In fact in rom 11, he pleaded with the gentile church not to be ignorant, Thats why he was explaining to the m the literal truth.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Jesus spoke predominantly in parables.

A parable is a narrative with a secondary meaning.

There is no forced exegesis of a parable. You can just understand it as is if you want, but then you miss the real meaning. Jesus specifically spoke in parables to cloak his meaning.

Paul is not trying to cloak his meaning. He is really trying to use examples from the OT to enrich our understanding. So yes, it is not a straight comparison. But the point I am making is not all meaning is served on a plate. We sometimes need to work it out.




If I said: "It was a massive feast, like Belshazzar's Feast"

Then you would either look blankly at me because you don't understand anything about the OT,

or you eyes would pop open and you would go "WOW"

 

[notuptome]

there is no future millennium.
done. easy.
the millennium is a by-product of having to find something to do with the fact the "jews shall never enter the church"...

Nonsense. The millennium is a fulfillment of the promise made to Israel. The millennium will demonstrate that even after a thousand years of Christ ruling from His throne in Jerusalem men will still rebel against righteousness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus spoke predominantly in parables.

A parable is a narrative with a secondary meaning.

There is no forced exegesis of a parable. You can just understand it as is if you want, but then you miss the real meaning. Jesus specifically spoke in parables to cloak his meaning.

Paul is not trying to cloak his meaning. He is really trying to use examples from the OT to enrich our understanding. So yes, it is not a straight comparison. But the point I am making is not all meaning is served on a plate. We sometimes need to work it out.




If I said: "It was a massive feast, like Belshazzar's Feast"

Then you would either look blankly at me because you don't understand anything about the OT,

or you eyes would pop open and you would go "WOW"

Matt 13:[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” [SUP]11 [/SUP]He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

So your saying Paul spoke to the church in parables, Because it was not given to the church to know the mysteries of God?

 

[Spurgeoncy]

lol....deliberately misunderstanding me....I am out EG

 

[kaylagrl]

Yep just what we need, ANOTHER of the many many threads on the same subject.

It will be like this one.. Useless

Your not going to change my mind, I am not going to change yours. so why bother?

Ya,thats what I said in the beginning of the thread. I haven't personally met anyone yet that believed this false theology that didn't have a dislike,sometimes hatred,for Jews. This belief began in antisemitism and there it has stayed.It is from satan himself.I commend you for sticking in with the thread as long as you have. I hope people who espouse this doctrine will have their eyes opened.

 

[garee]

Paul is not jesus. And he was not speaking in parables.

It was not the will of Paul as if it was a private interpretation coming from the mind of men .All scripture is God breathed.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Pe 1:20

Without parables, the poetic language of God, as His personal signature, Christ spoke not. They hide spiritual truth from one while revealing it to the elect. Keep the proper hermeneutics in mind when looking at a parable.

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We can see that in the parable below. (remember the kingdom of God is not of this world ) if it was we could walk by sight .

By faith ( Christ's working in him) Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. (parable) Heb 11:19

Strongs lexicon( Greek) 3850 parabole {par-ab-ol-ay'}
from 3846; TDNT - 5:744,773; n f
AV - parable 46, figure 2, comparison 1, proverb 1; 50
1) a placing of one thing by the side of another, juxtaposition, as of ships in battle 2) metaph. 2a) a comparing, comparison of one thing with another, likeness, similitude 2b) an example by which a doctrine or precept is illustrated 2c) a narrative, fictitious but agreeable to the laws and usages of human life, by which either the duties of men or the things of God, particularly the nature and history of God's kingdom are figuratively portrayed 2d) a parable: an earthly story with a heavenly meaning 3) a pithy and instructive saying, involving some likeness or comparison and having preceptive or admonitory force 3a) an aphorism, a maxim 4) a proverb 5) an act by which one exposes himself or his possessions to danger, a venture, a risk

All of the proverbs are parables in the same way.

Pro 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;

Strongs lexicon(hebrew) ... 04912 mashal {maw-shawl'}
apparently from 04910 in some original sense of superiority in mental action; TWOT - 1258a; n m
AV - proverb 19, parable 18, byword 1, like 1; 39
1) proverb, parable 1a) proverb, proverbial saying, aphorism 1b) byword 1c) similitude, parable 1d) poem 1e) sentences of ethical wisdom, ethical maxims

 

[garee]

Ya,thats what I said in the beginning of the thread. I haven't personally met anyone yet that believed this false theology that didn't have a dislike,sometimes hatred,for Jews. This belief began in antisemitism and there it has stayed.It is from satan himself.I commend you for sticking in with the thread as long as you have. I hope people who espouse this doctrine will have their eyes opened.

Speaking the truth in love is hating someone? God is no respecter of persons as if He was served with human hands to begin with..

 

[KJV1611]

then maybe find one of the many other threads already opened on the subject and re-open that one. Why bother opening another can of worms especially by a person who is known to be quite angry and judgmental against people who do not hold your view..

Maybe we need a NON BIASED person to open the thread.

Oh wait, that would just get hijacked too

Hey I have an idea... if you don't like threads then dont right participate.

 

[KJV1611]

Nonsense. The millennium is a fulfillment of the promise made to Israel. The millennium will demonstrate that even after a thousand years of Christ ruling from His throne in Jerusalem men will still rebel against righteousness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Which promise was that?

 

[garee]

So your saying Paul spoke to the church in parables, Because it was not given to the church to know the mysteries of God?

I think you are turning it upside down .

The parables revealed the hidden mysteries to the church .Hiding the spiritual understanding from the lost.


But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1Co 2:7

 

[KJV1611]

two nation are in your womb.

The older will serve the younger.

Hate to say it, but if Jacob represents spiritual Israel. When has the older ever served the church? How is it serving the church today? (maybe thats why rome figured it had the power to enslave all people and force them to christianity?)

So how many ways is flesh Israel verse real Israel referenced as... 10 or 15.

 

[trofimus]

Nonsense. The millennium is a fulfillment of the promise made to Israel. The millennium will demonstrate that even after a thousand years of Christ ruling from His throne in Jerusalem men will still rebel against righteousness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The millennium is a fulfillment of which promise, exactly?

Edit: sorry, I see now that KJV1611 asked the same thing already.

 

[trofimus]

Ya,thats what I said in the beginning of the thread. I haven't personally met anyone yet that believed this false theology that didn't have a dislike,sometimes hatred,for Jews. This belief began in antisemitism and there it has stayed.It is from satan himself.I commend you for sticking in with the thread as long as you have. I hope people who espouse this doctrine will have their eyes opened.

I would be very careful with sayings like "from satan himself" about the oposite theological view.

There is always a very very slight chance that you are wrong and you dont want to find out you called it like this, then. Right?